Selling clones

[DubB83]

I share my genetics, hell I will even give away my extra clones. I can't bring myself to kill it. The more growing their own pot the better. I don't sell and don't believe in it myself, I have no problem sharing success.

There is no way I could ever look at a healthy female plant and not find a good home for it if it was healthy.

The idea of overgrow was to get everyone growing so we don't need to deal with shady money hungry unscrupulous dealers and show the gov't that if everyone is peacefully growing instead of trafficking or funding gang wars then maybe they will let us grow our own medicine.

To anyone growing to make money ...

To anyone growing their own medicine or medicine for others ...

 

[bobilu]

Only if your taking 1 clone at a time. When I take clones I take a batch of like 50-100, even though I need less than half of them, its nice to have extras. There have been days where I threw away over 50 perfectly healthy rooted clones just because I had no space to grow them.

If I could have sold them for $10 each I probably would have if it was a friend. But I would rather keep my genetics for myself.

Ya I can see that. If you got the space, nice way to pay the electric bill

 

[AlwaysFUBAR]

Well I mean its bag seed that I got for 60 an 1/8 and smokes just as good if not better so I its not really my gen. just a sweet ass grow for me and the wife.

 

[BCtrippin]

Ya I can see that. If you got the space, nice way to pay the electric bill

Clones dont take any space at all. 2 trays can hold over 100 clones. 2 trays takes up a whole 3 Square feet of space. You dont even need a big light to root clones, I put them in the corner of the closet under the 250w that my mothers are under.

But you could root 100 clones with a single CFL if you wanted to.

 

[Hayduke]

I share my genetics, hell I will even give away my extra clones. I can't bring myself to kill it. The more growing their own pot the better. I don't sell and don't believe in it myself, I have no problem sharing success.

There is no way I could ever look at a healthy female plant and not find a good home for it if it was healthy.

The idea of overgrow was to get everyone growing so we don't need to deal with shady money hungry unscrupulous dealers and show the gov't that if everyone is peacefully growing instead of trafficking or funding gang wars then maybe they will let us grow our own medicine.

To anyone growing to make money ...

To anyone growing their own medicine or medicine for others ...

This is how I feel also, and if unable to find a home, I will find an outdoor spot, at least the deer and bunnies will appreciate it. I was thinking right on!...and then I saw who it was! What's up Dub!

I have met a now good friend with 15 years of experience by giving away my genetics I could not see go to waste, we have helped each other and now have an incredible selection of moms and seeds, and I not only gained a cool friend but an invaluable asset to my learning. I also loaned out most of my cfl stuff along with mother plants to a friend and my street level crook/dealer. They are screwing them up but at least they are growing.

I am not against a reasonable trade for hard work though and have traded for overpriced meds. I am also strapped for cash and will try to pass some along to a club that sells them for $15. I belong to a collective grow and traded 18 for 3 1/8ths. I meant for these to be available to the members of the club, but the owner kept them to grow for sale.

Honestly I do not mind if someone sells a little for reasonable to help pay the bills, but the young punks who think they are gangsters and are going to come up big (and this includes most clinics)... I may take years, but Karma does come around.

Waste not want not. Truth without the threat of eternal damnation.

 

[Where in the hell am I?]

This is how I feel also, and if unable to find a home, I will find an outdoor spot, at least the deer and bunnies will appreciate it. I was thinking right on!...and then I saw who it was! What's up Dub!

I have met a now good friend with 15 years of experience by giving away my genetics I could not see go to waste, we have helped each other and now have an incredible selection of moms and seeds, and I not only gained a cool friend but an invaluable asset to my learning. I also loaned out most of my cfl stuff along with mother plants to a friend and my street level crook/dealer. They are screwing them up but at least they are growing.

I am not against a reasonable trade for hard work though and have traded for overpriced meds. I am also strapped for cash and will try to pass some along to a club that sells them for $15. I belong to a collective grow and traded 18 for 3 1/8ths. I meant for these to be available to the members of the club, but the owner kept them to grow for sale.

Honestly I do not mind if someone sells a little for reasonable to help pay the bills, but the young punks who think they are gangsters and are going to come up big (and this includes most clinics)... I may take years, but Karma does come around.

Waste not want not. Truth without the threat of eternal damnation.

So, are you for or against sales for personal gain?

 

[AJ Toker]

Buying clones would be sweet. Damn Pennsylvania and not having medicinal laws and clone shops.

 

[DubB83]

So, are you for or against sales for personal gain?

100% for personal use
100% against selling medicine for personal gain

Nice to see you too Hayduke!

The street corner pharmacist =

I do grow for people also and only ask that they help me with a portion of the expense. I do not charge an imaginary number for my labor. It is a labor of love and it all works out in the wash for me.

 

[BCtrippin]

100% for personal use
100% against selling medicine for personal gain

Nice to see you too Hayduke!

The street corner pharmacist =

I do grow for people also and only ask that they help me with a portion of the expense. I do not charge an imaginary number for my labor. It is a labor of love and it all works out in the wash for me.

So if you dont support people selling for personal gain how are the thousands of people who use marijuana for medical purposes in Illegal states suppose to get their supply?

Grow ops are not cheap to run. It takes a major investment, and a LOT of time and work to produce enough product to be able to sell it.


The funny thing is if there wasn't people selling weed for personal gain, YOU would not be growing right now. You wouldnt even know where to get seeds....

If there wasnt people selling pot for personal gain we would still all be smoking Mexican field weed....

Its the competition in the weed market that forces people or companies to come out with new ideas and new better strains. If it wasnt for people who sell weed, there would be no good weed, no good seed suppliers, Nothing.

Im no "street corner pharmacist" or a "gangster" but I put a lot of time and money into my crops. Why wouldnt I sell it for what its worth. Whats the difference between selling weed you grow or a farmer selling tomatoes?

 

[nickfury510]

So if you dont support people selling for personal gain how are the thousands of people who use marijuana for medical purposes in Illegal states suppose to get their supply?

Grow ops are not cheap to run. It takes a major investment, and a LOT of time and work to produce enough product to be able to sell it.


The funny thing is if there wasn't people selling weed for personal gain, YOU would not be growing right now. You wouldnt even know where to get seeds....

If there wasnt people selling pot for personal gain we would still all be smoking Mexican field weed....

Its the competition in the weed market that forces people or companies to come out with new ideas and new better strains. If it wasnt for people who sell weed, there would be no good weed, no good seed suppliers, Nothing.

Im no "street corner pharmacist" or a "gangster" but I put a lot of time and money into my crops. Why wouldnt I sell it for what its worth. Whats the difference between selling weed you grow or a farmer selling tomatoes?

 

[DubB83]

So if you dont support people selling for personal gain how are the thousands of people who use marijuana for medical purposes in Illegal states suppose to get their supply?

Grow ops are not cheap to run. It takes a major investment, and a LOT of time and work to produce enough product to be able to sell it.


The funny thing is if there wasn't people selling weed for personal gain, YOU would not be growing right now. You wouldnt even know where to get seeds....

If there wasnt people selling pot for personal gain we would still all be smoking Mexican field weed....

Its the competition in the weed market that forces people or companies to come out with new ideas and new better strains. If it wasnt for people who sell weed, there would be no good weed, no good seed suppliers, Nothing.

Im no "street corner pharmacist" or a "gangster" but I put a lot of time and money into my crops. Why wouldnt I sell it for what its worth. Whats the difference between selling weed you grow or a farmer selling tomatoes?

I guess you could call me a communist if you want, but I believe that there has to be a greater good.

Let me explain it like this, gas companies are allowed to charge what they want for gas. The amount that they charge is rooted in greed. Medical companies that make the legal drugs in the pharmacist also do this. You can't tell me it costs 3-4 times more for a pill on once side of the border than it does on the other and tell me the price is justified. It is basic price gouging.

Personal gain is the key word here... Personal gain = greed...

Lets say you have your perpetual SoG running and you sell enough to cover your electricity usage, water and nutrients on a regular basis. That is my book is everything working out in the wash.

Lets say I produce 2 pounds a month and sold all of it to pay my rent, bills, and have spending money... That is personal gain, your producing more, selling more, and keeping more money.

Lets say the person in example 1 makes his living at a regular full time job and the person in example 2 makes his money on growing...

I would rather be a friend to the person in example 1...

Personal gain will get you in trouble unless you live in an area that is kosher with it. I prefer to fly under the radar and encourage people to grow their own weed rather than buy my weed. I put in the energy and effort so that in the end I can benefit and share. It is nice not having to worry about finding a dealer and bringing my own scale (you get ripped off if you don't weigh it in front of the dealers in my area).

Personally I think that every pot head should grow their own, if they are not capable then another nice pot head should help out the less fortunate.

That is the rule I live by and it works great for me, to each their own.

I just will not ever see this plant as an honest income, it is only a hobby.

BTW, you would feel the same way if Tomatoes cost $60 for an 1/8 ounce, you cannot tell me it is harder to grow pot than tomatoes or more costly... I demand grocery store costs on all produce and I get that by growing my own.

Also stating that we would all be smoking mexican schwag is incorrect, you insinuating that no one would ever travel outside the customs boundary and experience what the rest of the world has to offer. We can most certainly do that without ever having to talk to a street corner pharmacist, a local travel agent would suffice.

EDIT: Every dealer I have met has tried to push inferior product for more money ($35 for $50 to make their little bit) and definitely more than it would cost to grow my own. I have not found a single person in my area that I would buy from, there are other local growers that are open to even weight trades so they don't get burned out on the same strain.

 

[seejay]

Not really good friends with him but im not going to screw anyone.

They produce about an ounce+ per plant

A clone is an exact replica of the mother, Can produce just as much if not more than the mother, can Veg it to be 10ft tall and make hundred of more clones from it.

Can yeild alot more than just one ounce.

 

[ajarrod]

dam I must be hanging with the wrong people cause I dont know anyone the sells clones or seeds

 

[BCtrippin]

I guess you could call me a communist if you want, but I believe that there has to be a greater good.

Hope is nice, Its nice to believe in a greater good.... but I live in the real world.

Let me explain it like this, gas companies are allowed to charge what they want for gas. The amount that they charge is rooted in greed. Medical companies that make the legal drugs in the pharmacist also do this. You can't tell me it costs 3-4 times more for a pill on once side of the border than it does on the other and tell me the price is justified. It is basic price gouging.

Personal gain is the key word here... Personal gain = greed...

Im not changing any prices. I just sell my stuff for what its worth.

Personal gain = greed? How do you figure?

If anything personal gain = MOTIVATION....

If it wasn't for personal gain there would be Nothing in this world. No entrepreneurs, no Innovators, Nothing. No one would bother.

Im sorry but we don't live in a "perfect world" where everyone wants to help out the next guy.

Im pretty sure communism failed.

Lets say the person in example 1 makes his living at a regular full time job and the person in example 2 makes his money on growing...

I would rather be a friend to the person in example 1...

Simple question for you. Why? What makes person 1 any better then person 2? They both do something they are good at, and are able to support themselves doing so. Whats wrong with that?

Personal gain will get you in trouble unless you live in an area that is kosher with it. I prefer to fly under the radar and encourage people to grow their own weed rather than buy my weed. I put in the energy and effort so that in the end I can benefit and share. It is nice not having to worry about finding a dealer and bringing my own scale (you get ripped off if you don't weigh it in front of the dealers in my area).

I 100% have to disagree. How does personal gain get you in trouble? Anyone who works a job and makes more money then they are required to pay to bills, debt, etc are making Personal Gain.


As far as your dealers, thats a WHOLE other issue. If you dont trust your dealer find a new one. I get a quarter ounce of BC blueberry kush delivered to my door for $50 CDN. 7 grams on the point.

Just because you have bad experiences with dealers does not mean ALL dealers are gonna rip you off.

Personally I think that every pot head should grow their own, if they are not capable then another nice pot head should help out the less fortunate.

That is the rule I live by and it works great for me, to each their own.

I just will not ever see this plant as an honest income, it is only a hobby.

Yep, It sure would be nice if we all lived in a place where we could grow pot without having to worry about getting arrested, losing your job, home, or even your kids.

But we dont live in a perfect world. Most people cant grow even if they wanted to. And Im sorry But every single pot head is Not going to find some dude who is willing to grow for them. Im glad it works out for you, but for the rest of the world thats not an option.

To each their own is right I will always see growing weed as an honest income. How is it NOT honest? I would rather grow and sell my product to my friends and family then be buying off some kid who funds gangs, or have my friends or family buying off people who support gangs. Also when I grow and sell my product, I know whats in it, and so do the people that buy it.

Also stating that we would all be smoking mexican schwag is incorrect, you insinuating that no one would ever travel outside the customs boundary and experience what the rest of the world has to offer. We can most certainly do that without ever having to talk to a street corner pharmacist, a local travel agent would suffice.

Im not saying people wouldnt go get high. I am saying that there wouldnt be any access to high quality seeds or product.

If it wasn't for personal gain we would be smoking shit weed. If it wasnt for personal gain there would be no seed suppliers, no companies working towards growing better, stronger strains, None of it. Money makes the world go round.

EDIT: Every dealer I have met has tried to push inferior product for more money ($35 for $50 to make their little bit) and definitely more than it would cost to grow my own. I have not found a single person in my area that I would buy from, there are other local growers that are open to even weight trades so they don't get burned out on the same strain.

Im sorry to hear that. I really wouldnt compare dealers to growers as far as "personal gain" though.

Dealers want something for nothing, they want to be a middle man and make money. Growers are the ones taking all the risk, and doing all the work, they deserve to make the money.


BTW I am in Canada, so our pot laws are fairly slack. I will continue growing and supporting myself with my grow, personal gain or not, Its definitely a lot more of an honest living than a lot of other people out there.

 

[Hayduke]

I was going to reply to all the talk on street corner drug dealers needing to be thanked for saving cannabis for the world, and how all the competition of street level drug dealers keep the prices low, and comparing wannabe gangster dope dealers to FARMERS!-all of which is utter BS....but Dub83 kinda covered it.

Though I would not call Dub83 a "commie" (maybe brother), for the record, I don't even mind those who grow good medicine for a living. My small garden takes a lot of time energy and money. A larger scale garden of course would take more. I am also a home brewer, and it would be the same as if I were to go "pro" brewing. However when you get to big for your britches (like my local SoCal craft brewer-turned giant marketed cash cow) it is merely greed.

I have a friend who grows and sells. but he sells for 20%+ less than others, gives it away, makes kind trades, bakes goodies and gives them away etc. He is not a drug dealer. He is a bro.

I also have a street level drug dealer. He is never cheaper than $55 1/8. Gave me 3g bags for a year until I brought my scale over and plopped it on the counter with nickels to check my scale, and asked for my other 1/2g. He still give 3.4g bags! My bro is always 4+g unless he is near out.

The answer to affordable available cannabis is absolutely not some kid who heard in a rap song that he could get rich, so he bought some cfl's or worse a huge hydro setup.

The answer is for everybody to GROW MORE POT!

Which means spreading the plant we all love around rather than hoarding it in order to get rich off the very law prohibiting it's possesion and consumption.

No I do not mind making money from hard work (no prohibition priced tomatoes for me though thank you all the same) Price gouging so that you can buy toys....And to all those against decriminalization/legalization because they make lots of coin... You are every bit as much of the problem as Harry J Asswiper, Tricky Dick Nixon, and Nancy "just say no" Reagan.

 

[DubB83]

Hope is nice, Its nice to believe in a greater good.... but I live in the real world.



Im not changing any prices. I just sell my stuff for what its worth.

Personal gain = greed? How do you figure?

If anything personal gain = MOTIVATION....

If it wasn't for personal gain there would be Nothing in this world. No entrepreneurs, no Innovators, Nothing. No one would bother.

Im sorry but we don't live in a "perfect world" where everyone wants to help out the next guy.

Im pretty sure communism failed.




Simple question for you. Why? What makes person 1 any better then person 2? They both do something they are good at, and are able to support themselves doing so. Whats wrong with that?




I 100% have to disagree. How does personal gain get you in trouble? Anyone who works a job and makes more money then they are required to pay to bills, debt, etc are making Personal Gain.


As far as your dealers, thats a WHOLE other issue. If you dont trust your dealer find a new one. I get a quarter ounce of BC blueberry kush delivered to my door for $50 CDN. 7 grams on the point.

Just because you have bad experiences with dealers does not mean ALL dealers are gonna rip you off.



Yep, It sure would be nice if we all lived in a place where we could grow pot without having to worry about getting arrested, losing your job, home, or even your kids.

But we dont live in a perfect world. Most people cant grow even if they wanted to. And Im sorry But every single pot head is Not going to find some dude who is willing to grow for them. Im glad it works out for you, but for the rest of the world thats not an option.

To each their own is right I will always see growing weed as an honest income. How is it NOT honest? I would rather grow and sell my product to my friends and family then be buying off some kid who funds gangs, or have my friends or family buying off people who support gangs. Also when I grow and sell my product, I know whats in it, and so do the people that buy it.




Im not saying people wouldnt go get high. I am saying that there wouldnt be any access to high quality seeds or product.

If it wasn't for personal gain we would be smoking shit weed. If it wasnt for personal gain there would be no seed suppliers, no companies working towards growing better, stronger strains, None of it. Money makes the world go round.




Im sorry to hear that. I really wouldnt compare dealers to growers as far as "personal gain" though.

Dealers want something for nothing, they want to be a middle man and make money. Growers are the ones taking all the risk, and doing all the work, they deserve to make the money.


BTW I am in Canada, so our pot laws are fairly slack. I will continue growing and supporting myself with my grow, personal gain or not, Its definitely a lot more of an honest living than a lot of other people out there.

That is all good and dandy, but the Native Americans didn't charge an arm and a leg for a plant. Legality is an issue and I agree 100%, speaking as a man who has everything to lose by growing a plant in the wrong place.

I am not a communist, but I have been called it.

Utopia is only a thought but to try and attain it would be the unobtainable goal to keep shooting for. I call this personal gain.

I believe you are speaking of personal improvement, not personal gain on most of what you speak, while I do not dis-agree with everything you say I do feel you are a bit jaded on a few issues.

If the tomato farmers just decided to charge the equivalent price there would be a large outraged market. All I'm saying is that the black market is all about price gouging, you will very rarely meet a dealer who is selling what he grew and you are correct, I guess my problem is rooted with the middle man. I would gladly offer to any grower to supplement a partial cost of his electricity or pay any other way needed to help him produce, but I will not ever pay inflated prices on the end product.

I'm not much for name brand herb, in my book it all works, but it works differently. I have grown seeds from Amsterdam as well as seeds from BC and enjoyed both thoroughly.

I agree that growing herb is more honest than being the guy pedaling it on the street, but if that is all you do for work... I'm both jealous and a little upset.

I also grow tomatoes and put more time and energy into them than my mary jane, are you saying that each tomato should net me as much then as my quality herbs? I would love to find a market willing to pay $300 for a single tomato.

Bottom line is that it takes as much work to grow 4 tomatoes as it does 1 ounce of good herb, if the herb was not illegal how could you justify charging so much for something that is easier to grow than tomatoes? I should be able to go to a local herbal market and get an ounce of marijuana for the same price as a bushel of quality tomatoes.

Price is my only true issue with selling, if you have a well automated system and it cost you big $$ to build and get running then sell what you produce to recoup the cost of the setup. I see nothing wrong with that. But when the setup is running and has been for years it does not take enough labor to justify the cost. The only thing I can think of that justifies the cost is the legality issues.

But here we come back full circle to "what if 80% of people grew their own or were involved in it". It sure would be hard to keep something that obviously popular illegal.

I am all for decriminalization and regulation, and I feel that the only way to obtain it is through sharing and growing (literally) as a nation and community. I feel that it is our responsibility to love and help our neighbors and not fear or rip them off. Mutual gains are more important to me than monetary.

I just want to say that personal gain is great, personal monetary gain I feel has a bit of greed wrapped in. I learned my lesson about the green eyed monster years ago.

The second your grow op goes from "this will supply me for x amount of time" to "this will be my income and I will make this much money" is a dark moment.

This is all my personal opinion of course.

 

[BCtrippin]

I was going to reply to all the talk on street corner drug dealers needing to be thanked for saving cannabis for the world, and how all the competition of street level drug dealers keep the prices low, and comparing wannabe gangster dope dealers to FARMERS!-all of which is utter BS....but Dub83 kinda covered it.

Wow, I have never seen someone take something so far out of context. Who said drug dealers are saving the cannabis world?

Clearly what your not understanding is not everyone is willing to grow, Or put there home, job, or family at risk by doing so.

I wouldn't compare "gangster dope dealers" to Farmers, BUT I also would Never say that All people who grow for profit are "gangster dope dealers"

I grow for profit. I support myself by growing. Does that make me a "gangster dope dealer"?

Hell No it doesnt. Im not in a gang, I dont sell for gangs, I dont even go around selling pot. I grow a few extra pounds to sell to support myself.

No offense, but it seems like you guys are saying that ANYONE who grows for profit is a greedy wannabe gangster?


I thought people around here wouldnt be so quick to stereotype...

 

[BCtrippin]

I also grow tomatoes and put more time and energy into them than my mary jane, are you saying that each tomato should net me as much then as my quality herbs? I would love to find a market willing to pay $300 for a single tomato.

Bottom line is that it takes as much work to grow 4 tomatoes as it does 1 ounce of good herb, if the herb was not illegal how could you justify charging so much for something that is easier to grow than tomatoes? I should be able to go to a local herbal market and get an ounce of marijuana for the same price as a bushel of quality tomatoes.

Where did I say tomatoes should be worth as much as pot? How do you figure it should be the same?

I said I sell my herb for what its worth, Im sure you do the same with your tomatoes.

Its supply and demand. Tomatoes are legal to grow, it may take just as much work, BUT you can legally grow a lot more tomatoes, and with no risk, so I would think it would be a lot easier to grow 50lbs of tomotoes compared to 50lbs of weed.

Theres all kinds of fruits and vegetables, some are easier to grow than others. But difficulty in growing really has nothing to do with the price, what determines price is Supply and Demand.

If there was more of a supply, prices would drop, so maybe there should be more people like me who want to support themselves growing weed?

Everyone around here sells ounces for 240, Q.P for 800. I sell an ounce for 160, or a QP for 600 and I STILL make money. I dont have to overcharge, I can help out a lot of people by giving them a better deal.... and I can still make my money.

I wish everyone would grow their own weed too, but its just not going to happen, Probably for the same reasons everyone doesnt grow their own food. Not everyone has the time or the money to do so.

 

[Hayduke]

Who said drug dealers are saving the cannabis world?

Uh...well...

So if you dont support people selling for personal gain how are the thousands of people who use marijuana for medical purposes in Illegal states suppose to get their supply?



The funny thing is if there wasn't people selling weed for personal gain, YOU would not be growing right now. You wouldnt even know where to get seeds....

If there wasnt people selling pot for personal gain we would still all be smoking Mexican field weed....

If it wasnt for people who sell weed, there would be no good weed, no good seed suppliers, Nothing.

But really dude, I am not giving you any crap. I agree with a lot of what you say and 99.9% of Dub's wisdom. I am not judging ANY Hingehead brothers to the north, as I hear the prices are reasonable. I am sure you have seen the numerous threads about how much kids can grow and how much they can sell. Here in Socal we pay more than what folks in the MIDWEST pay, and it is seriously illegal there. Here unless you have lots, it is a joke here. The fine violating the HOV/carpool lane is more than 4 times the fine for possesion of an oz.

Imagine if no one ever tried to make things better than they are now.

 

[phreakygoat]

you know what... some awesome guy I only slightly knew gave me a quite large baby plant, fuck a tiny clone. And just because he is the shit, I paid $0, out of the kindness of his soul (and his respect for what every person should be doing for free). Good karma to him, and now I must pay it forward, by keeping it as a mother plant for all to enjoy freely. And when I get some good nugs, he'll be the very first to enjoy.