Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

[born2killspam]

no offense dude..... but for some reason i just dont like you... got me all paranoid about getting something for a plant for fuck sakes..... WHICH I HAVE FOUND.... and no its not a watched item its made for plants....

My bad, I apologize.. With all the talk of red phosphorous, which is a definately watched item, I had hypophosphorous acid (another watched precursor) on the brain..
BTW eza, if you're interested in hormones, then why don't you experiment with actual hormones instead of potash, and super-juices whose compositions can't even be vouched for, and are sitting in hydro stores around the world.. The link I posted sells everything you need to actually experiment with quite a few compounds..

 

[Jester88]

My bad, I apologize.. With all the talk of red phosphorous, which is a definately watched item, I had hypophosphorous acid (another watched precursor) on the brain..
BTW eza, if you're interested in hormones, then why don't you experiment with actual hormones instead of potash, and super-juices whose compositions can't even be vouched for, and are sitting in hydro stores around the world.. The link I posted sells everything you need to actually experiment with quite a few compounds..

thats cool but ya got to understand how i felt i just wanna grow myself some good quality plants every now and then, and most ferts arent quite right... im not the local cook lol. theres a different one you can get i found cant remember exactly what it is but its like 25-30 bux 20kilo bag.

 

[eza82]

Dave- this is what it is....​

Crop Care CYCOCEL® 77A
Plant Growth Regulant
ACTIVE CONSTITUENT: 77 g/L CHLORMEQUAT​

present as CHLORMEQUAT CHLORIDE




INT trade site- with raw PGR`s
http://www.tradeindia.com/selloffer/1591649/Chlormequat-chloride.html

http://www.icar.org.in/icar2001.pdf

here is some stuff i want at the mo! HIGHLY CONSINTRATED !!!!!!

Black Thunder - Potassium Humate for indoor!
Description/Specification Black thunder is a potassium humate which is 100% soluble in water and is in a powder form.
It is obtainable in a concentration of 70%humic acid , 15%fulvic acid and 15% organic soluble potassium.
It can be used in landscapes and gardens as well as for agriculture and horticulture purposes.

The various advantages of potassium humate are:

* It stimulates the growth of the plant and improves the structure of the soil.
* It enhances the growth of the plant and soil fertility as it acts effectively on both the plant and soil.
* Black thunder can be easily stored and transported.
* It is easily soluble in water.
* It can also be applied with other chemical fertilizers or pesticides.
* It increases the nutrient values of the plant.



These are cheap ..............http://www.tradeindia.com/fp82279/Bio-Thunder.html

Here is a full list of different raw materials and cheap humantes and mixtures !

http://www.tradeindia.com/manufacturers/indianmanufacturers/organic-plant-growth-regulator.html


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My bad, I apologize.. With all the talk of red phosphorous, which is a definately watched item, I had hypophosphorous acid (another watched precursor) on the brain..
BTW eza, if you're interested in hormones, then why don't you experiment with actual hormones instead of potash, and super-juices whose compositions can't even be vouched for, and are sitting in hydro stores around the world.. The link I posted sells everything you need to actually experiment with quite a few compounds..

Again WTF -How are these at a hydro store ?????????? Rizo is yes, but that is for root health so that the hormones will take better?
70%humic acid , 15%fulvic acid are in the same family as jasmonic, so considered hormone inducing!

.... these experiments take time..... and money, I have stated what I am currently usesing with great results..... starting with small but incramental steps toward full potential intake.
The idea of my studies is to produce my own from base raw compounds........provided in the agri industry! Probably making enough to supply all my mates.... 2-3 other grows...

Potash and Minerals are nessecery and unavoidable!

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

i have some stuff called manic botanix or something like that
same thiung as rhizotonic but about 1/4 the price
works great.

EDIT : love the black thunder : ive been looking at fulvic/himic as well as silica

 

[sativaplanet420]

You post the most useful threads. What about using GA3 and C02?

 

[eza82]

This is a collection of the info on GA3 in this thread !


GIBBERELLIC ACID (GA3)

Probably the best known of the plant hormones. It's produced by the plants tips and is responsible for the plant growth. The problem with GA3, is that most growth is in the form of "stretching" which isn't always diserable, so except for seeds and clones.

GA3 has some other uses as well. You can intiate male fowers on a female plant but using high doses every day for several days. You can also induce female flowers earlier and yield bigger flowers with micro doesing.

The gibberellins are widespread throughout the plant kingdom, and more than 75 have been isolated, to date. Rather than giving each a specific name, the compounds are numbered—for example, GA1, GA2, and so on. Gibberellic acid three (GA3) is the most widespread and most thoroughly studied. The gibberellins are especially abundant in seeds and young shoots where they control stem elongation by stimulating both cell division and elongation (auxin stimulates only cell elongation). The gibberellins are carried by the xylem and phloem. Numerous effects have been cataloged that involve about 15 or fewer of the gibberellic acids. The greater number with no known effects apparently are precursors to the active ones.

I know there has been experimentation with GA3 sprayed on genetically dwarf plants stimulates elongation of the dwarf plants to normal heights. Normal-height plants sprayed with GA3 become giants. like addicott study on next post.

I Found a botinist that germinationg 2000yr old exstinct SEEDS into plants with this hormone.

although the results of gibberellic acid (GA3) applications vary depending on many factors, including the type of plants its applied to. In one study of persimmon yield (1) it was found that applications of 15 to 30 PPM increased yields by 50% to 400%. In another study (2) it was even found that if gibberellic acid is applied to a plant the next generation of the plant would also benefit from faster flowering and increased height. In another study of walnut trees it was found that applications of gibbarellic acid (GA3) increased growth by 567% (3).
1) Increasing Persimmon Yields With Gibberellic Acid [www.actahort.org/books/120/120_32.htm]
2) Generations Living with Gibberellic Acid [www.sidwell.edu/us/science/vlb5/Independent_Research_Projects/cgraham/]
3) Gibberellic Acid for Fruit Set and Seed Germination [www.crfg.org/tidbits/gibberellic.html]

A study on persimmons 1 increased yield by at least 50%. This was done with a foliar spray of 15 to 30 ppm when the plants where at full bloom.
1) http://www.actahort.org/books/120/120_32.htm

retail names:
Gibberellic Acid (GA3),

Functions of Gibberellins

Active gibberellins show many physiological effects, each depending on the type of gibberellin present as well as the species of plant. Some of the physiological processes stimulated by gibberellins are outlined below (Davies, 1995; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).
Stimulate stem elongation by stimulating cell division and elongation.
Stimulates bolting/flowering in response to long days.
Breaks seed dormancy in some plants which require stratification or light to induce germination.
Stimulates enzyme production (a-amylase) in germinating cereal grains for mobilization of seed reserves.
Induces maleness in dioecious flowers (sex expression).
Can cause parthenocarpic (seedless) fruit development.
Can delay senescence in leaves and citrus fruits.
UNDER A LINK on MAIN PAGE: REF to GA3

Recipes FOR GA3 - folia spray with penotrator i would suggest or paste
( this is a studied recipe so I figure we should stick to it)

PPM 50 - GA mg 125 Water 2400ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 200 - GA mg 125 Water 600ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 800 - GA mg 125 Water 160ml Purpose = blossom set
PPM 2000 - GA mg 125 Water 60ml Purpose = Seed germ
1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter

Too much youll turn your girl into boys or hermi`s

Careful shit is nasty
Although GA is not listed as a "poison", the following precautions should be observed: Flush with water any GA that may get into the eye. Avoid skin contact if possible. If skin contact is suspected, wash with soap and water. Do not re-enter an area after spraying until the GA spray is fully dry. Avoid ingestion of GA.
RESULT:
Premature flowering. If a plant is sufficiently developed, premature flowering may be induced by direct application of GA to young plants. This action is not sustained and treatment may have to be repeated. Formation of male flowers is generally promoted by concentrations of 10 to 200 ppm., female flowers by concentrations of 200 to 300 ppm. Concentrations of more than 600 ppm markedly suppresses initiation of both male and female flowers.

Increased growth. GA applied near the terminal bud of trees may increase the rate of growth by stimulating more or less constant growth during the season. In a Department of Agriculture experiment, the GA was applied as a 1% paste in a band around the terminal bud of trees. Treatment was repeated three times during the summer. Walnut tee growth was 8.5 ft. for treated trees, 1.5 ft. for untreated trees

http://www.crfg.org/tidbits/gibberellic.html

another : Fruit trees.....
A spray of GA3 (gibberellic acid) at a concentration of 15–30 ppm at full bloom significantly increased yields (by 50–400%). In young trees (4–5 years old), a narrow (2–3 mm) girdling at the time of sprouting, together with GA3, gave best results.
Gibberellin
--- When seeds absorb water, the hormone gibberellin (gibberellic acid-A, GAA) appears in the embryo and activates the metabolism to initiate sprouting. GAA has been widely tested in applications to hemp. When applied to cannabis at a rate of 100 ppm in water for 2 months, GAA increases the thickness and internodal length of the stock. The terminal nodes are weak, branching is suppressed, and the roots develop poorly. Germination is stimulated by GAA, but leaf growth and the production of chlorophyll and cannabinoids are reduced proportionately. GAA treatment does not hasten the generative development of hemp, but does promote plant growth. The stem diameter increases about 250% over control plants, and the fresh weight of the stem increases 300%. Treated plants have a higher ratio of bark:wood. The number of fibers increases up to 100%. According to G. Davidyan, the greatest effect is achieved with 0.005-0.01% GAA applied before the buds form. R. Herich tested the histological reactions of hemp by soaking the seeds in 5 ppm GAA for 24 hours with these results: "The plants showed the following differences from untreated controls: decrease of stem thickness, less lignification, decreased bark development especially in lower parts of stems, decrease in number of secondary bast fibers, increase in number and size of primary bast fibers, and increased differentiation of parenchymatous pith tissue".
(63)C.K. Atal also described the effect of GAA on hemp: "Gibberellin-treated plants showed a greater number of fibers as compared to controls. The individual fibers were larger in diameter, more lignified, and up to 10 times as long as the fibers from the untreated plants."
(64)F. Yanishevskii studied the effect of GAA on the nitrogen metabolism of hemp: "Stem lengthening took place mainly by cell extension. Net weight even decreased somewhat. Chlorophyll concentration decreased noticeably... Plants treated with GAA contained less N than controls. GAA exerted a considerable influence on the N metabolism of hemp plants: in treated plants the amount of protein N decreased 2-fold, but, in contrast, the soluble forms of N increased markedly. Treatment with GAA had almost no effect on the content of N fractions of cell components (nuclei, plastids). Nucleic acid content decreased mainly owing to decrease in the amount of RNA. Accumulation of soluble forms of N under the influence of GAA would indicate that the introduction of nitrogenous fertilizers (as recommended by Witter and Bucovac) would hardly make up for the unfavorable effect of GAA on the N metabolism of hemp."
(65)N. Yakushkina and L. Chuikova also tested the action of GAA and Indole-Acetic Acid (IAA, auxin) on hemp: "GAA intensified the growth of the plants, the average dry weight per plant, the photosynthesis rate, the sugar content (especially of the stem) and that of total N, and the respiration rate, but decreased the content of chlorophyll in the leaves. The separate application of IAA (find auxin ) caused a decrease in the growth and yield of the plants, and a considerable increase in the chlorophyll content, but decreased the photosynthesis rate. The simultaneous application of GAA and IAA was accompanied by the highest increase in yield, but this addition of IAA did not exert any substantial influence on the physiological processes.
" (66 )GAA also increases the length of the growing season. GAA will inhibit the formation of flowers on Cannabis; it must not be used during the flowering phase of growth. GAA will accelerate the onset
of budding by about 7 days. Treatment of plants with 25 mg GAA/liter results in 80% of the plants being male. Female hemp usually undergoes sex reversal to a male expression, but few of the male plants produce female flowers. Thus, G. Davidyan and S. Kutuzova reported: "Gibberellin causes the formation of male flowers, containing fertile pollen, on genetically female plants."
(67)V. Khryanin treated dioecious hemp with GAA (25 mg/liter) and produced monoecious feminized staminate hemp from the common pistillate form: "Gibberellin, as a hormone of the plant organism, probably depresses genes which participate in the formation of flowers which have been repressed. "Thus GAA can be used by breeders to develop monoecious cannabis from dioecious forms. Preliminary tests are necessary to determine the most effective concentration and best timing for each cultivar.
The effect of GAA is removed by abscisic acid (ABA), which will initiate flowering. Treatment of plants with ABA (10 mg/liter) results in all plants being female or bisexual. The ABA can be overcome by increasing the concentration of GAA.
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MAKE YOUR OWN GAA:
Gibberellin is extracted from cucumber seeds, fresh cantelope seeds, dried corn kernels, and from pencil rod, lupine, and pinto beans. Soak 200 grams of powdered seeds in 110 ml of a mixture of acetone (10 parts), isopropyl alcohol (5 p), ethanol (2 p), and water (5 p). Filter the mush and rinse it with 20 ml acetone and 20 ml isopropyl alcohol. Combine the rinse and the mother liquor, then evaporate the solvent. Dissolve the gum in alkaline water for experimental use.

 

[eza82]

Carbon - co2 is the last thing I will add after Ihave all of this dialed - hense Hormones vs Co2 - its really Hormones, PGR`s, vitimins, acids......VS....Co2

Plants are proven to INCREASE up to 40%-60% in growth and yeild...thats proven..
So i figure double my yeild with the introduction of the above then intro the carbon !

 

[eza82]

i have some stuff called manic botanix or something like that
same thiung as rhizotonic but about 1/4 the price
works great.

EDIT : love the black thunder : ive been looking at fulvic/himic as well as silica

It looks yummy ! It will induce alot more sugars for the plant and flower to feed on ! Adding weight and create full/soild buds !

 

[eza82]

Ladies and gents - The new arival !

PURE FALVIC ACID - Growtek - Platinum series ( picked ther Super Oxy H2O2 as well..)

what is it ?
From what I understand "fulvic acid" , is naturally occurring organic, bio-available, plant-derived Vitamins, Minerals, Amino acids, Enzymes and a vast array of other organic macro, micro, nano and angstrom size nutrients and phytonutrients created and provided naturally by nature.
It is an EXTRACT OF HUMIC material that is water soluble...they are chelators..(help get shit in through leaf and root)

I plan to use this to help promote all of these influences by useing once during flower and once during veg.....

AS PER BOTTLE!;

Fulvic Acid is a pure extract used to promote the uptake of minerals in plants - (Natural Catalyst like substance). made from pure mineral ingredients it is accepted by organic associations as a natural componet or additive. foliar or water water treatment.

- stronger plants
- high dry weight yeild
- decrease water stress
- buffer from rapid PH change
- imporoves soil soil and structure

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Quick study done by CSIRO.......
The effect of foliar application of fulvic acid on water use, nutrient uptake and yield in wheat

X Xudan

Abstract

The effect of foliar application of fulvic acid (FA) on water use, nutrient uptake and yield in wheat was studied in pot experiments and in field trials. FA reduced the stomatal conductance of well-watered plants in pots from ~0.80 to ~0.25 cm s-1. The stomatal conductance of control plants fell continuously from ~0.85 m s-1 to almost zero over a 9-day drying cycle. Plants sprayed with FA at the beginning of the cycle maintained a stomatal conductance of ~0.30 cm s-1 for the whole period. Spraying with FA resulted in a higher level of chlorophyll in the leaves and a greater uptake of 32P by the roots. When droughted at ear-development stage, grain yield was depressed by 30%. Spraying with FA increased the yield of droughted plants to 97% of the irrigated controls. Field trials in North China demonstrated that when FA was used to decrease the water stress or the stress imposed by hot, dry winds during ear development, grain yield increased by 7.3-18.0%.

 

[eza82]

&&

NPK; 0:0:16
Utilizing silicon in its potassium form together with a suite of complimentary micro nutrients, DUTCH MASTER SILICA is the most soluble & plant available (aparently !)
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We have done heaps on this so I will not go into to it too much..

i am going to use 1ml per 3 ltr - replace every two weeks or change of tank

Ingredents are "pharmaceutical grade "!
silicon ; 6.600
pottassium; 10.000
carbon: 0.020
Mg: 0.041




For usage instructions click link below or cut and paste to your browser.


http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/?language=english&page=product&product=SILICA

 

[eza82]

And I burnt the shit outta my fingers (H2o2) !!! Bottle leaked ended up on my fingers, had no oppertunity to wash..... untill hour later....fingers TURNED WHITE and burnt like shit ! lol.... still tingles but the white came off after MANY mANY washs.with a layer of skin !......lol

 

[eza82]

MY NEW STRAINS.. SHOULD BE HERE IN A WEEK OR TWO !
BETTER THAN CRISSY !
and refference for me !

Lemon Skunk ...FEMinised
This strain is a cross between two Skunks, the chosen phenotype selected for its lemon characteristics. The Lemon mother has been kept for over 20 years in Las Vegas and the father was chosen here in Holland. The male was donated by Eddie, formally the owner of one of the oldest and most prestigious seed banks in the Netherlands. This original prize male was selected and used in many breeding projects throughout the years. The Lemon Skunk will grow tall and is a good yielder. She has great smelling buds. Her buds are light green with thick orange hairs. She has a high calyx to leaf ratio. This strain is the tastiest and sweetest if she is cut down between 50 and 56 days. We would like to thank the Lemon Man and Eddie for making this possible!
Skunk
60% Sativa : 40% Indica
Flowering Time: 8-9 weeks
Yield: 400-500g/m2

Cheese - Feminised
Strain type: Sativa/ Indica Hybrid
Parents: Afghani (male) X Cheese (female) x5
Growing Info: Indoors: Flowering time 7-9 weeks
Outdoors: End of Oct. start of Nov.
Sensory Experience: Very uplifting High, No Ceiling, Clear, Long-lasting.
Smell: unique, pungent, old Skool aroma
Taste: very appealing, fruity, fresh
Yield: Indoors: average of 250- 400g per square metre (with 600w dependant on grower, environment)

Blueberry - ...feminised
1st price "High Times Cup" 2000
3rd price "High Times Cup" 2001
Our Original Blueberry is a mostly Indica (80% Indica, 20% Sativa) strain, that dates to the late 1970’s. A large producer under optimum conditions. A dense and stout plant with red, purple and finally blue hues, that usually cure to a lavender blue. The finished product has a very fruity aroma and taste of blueberry. It produces a notable and pleasantly euphoric high of the highest quality and is very long lasting. Medium to large calyxes.
THC = 19.5%, CBD < 0.1%
Flowering period: 8 – 10 weeks
Harvest time outdoor: 2nd – 3rd week of Oct.

Blue Cheese ...feminised
Blue Cheese was created, first, by selecting a blueberry male from the entire collection of several different breeder versions of blueberry. The selected male was then crossed with our proud mother, and the backbone of many of our breeding projects; the original UK cheese.
From these crosses a male with extremely fruity characteristics was chosen as the father of our Blue Cheese.
Strain type: Sativa / Indica Hybrid (25% Blueberry 75% Cheese)
Parents:Blueberry x Cheese (male) X original UK Cheese (female)
Growing Info: Flowering time 8-10 weeks
Outdoors: End of Oct. start of Nov.
Sensory Experience: Highly euphoric, Very functional,
Smell: A Sweet, Fruity, Tarty, Berry scent, with that recognised musky undertone of the original cheese
Taste: Potent, Blueberry, Fresh taste

Original Skuk...feminised
The strain that changed cannabis culture and has astonished weed lovers for more than a quarter-century is now available from Sensi Seeds as a top-quality feminised variety!
Breeders regard Skunk #1 as the benchmark of uniform, reliable performance and her rock-solid genotype has influenced a hundred modern hybrids. The potency of this branch of the cannabis family tree is so notorious that ‘skunk’ is often used as a general term for all powerful ganja.
Sensi´s new feminised Skunk #1 is remarkably uniform when grown from seed, with plants displaying consistent structure and regular bud formation time and time again. In almost 30 years of experience with the strain, this is the finest example of feminised Skunk #1 that we´ve ever seen!
Skunk #1’s energetic performance and bountiful yields demonstrate the true meaning of hybrid vigour. Growth and flowering are mostly-Indica in appearance, though Skunk plants gain more height than pure Indicas when blooming. Flowering is both rapid and rewarding, as Skunk #1 produces robust stems and branches to support her superior yields. Short internode gaps explode into dense, rounded bud-clusters which merge into huge, heavy colas by harvest time. Skunk #1’s Sativa genes have a subtle effect on flower structure plus a wonderful influence on her effect – a stunningly potent combination of stone and high!
Flowering: 45-50 days
Yield: 100g
Height: 120-150cm

A.M.S. (Anti mould system ...feminised
Awards: Not yet introduced in competitions.
Genetics: Swiss sativa, Swiss indica.
Effect: Strong high, with a clearside and a more introspective one. Very particular taste, sweet and complex.
Flowering indoor: 9 weeks will deliver the most amount of resin. Commercial growers harvest in 8 weeks. Yield between 500 and 700 gr/sqm.
Flowering outdoor: Will finish by begin October in the Northern hemisphere, or by mid May in the Southern. Yield up to 800 gr/plant. Mould resistant strain!
THC: 15%
CBD: 1.1%
CBN: 0.7%
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ABOUT $70.00 AUD

 

[eza82]

im going to have to run a 9 wk flower cycle now I think ! - keeping on the blue chesse and blueberry for another week.....

 

[ProfessorMembrane]

That industrial strength H2O2 is dangerous stuff! Always wear gloves when handling, and always move from the large bottle to your measuring device with a turkey baster or other siphon, if you have a chemical siphon with a thumb stop and not an air bulb, all the better, those tiny drops burn as much as big ones.

I mix a lot of H2O2 in advanced to make sure I don't end up handling this chemical very often. Remember that 12:1 ratios will be slightly less than 3% H2O2, ignore the label and mix at a rate of 11.8:1 for a proper 3% concentration.

 

[eza82]

That industrial strength H2O2 is dangerous stuff! Always wear gloves when handling, and always move from the large bottle to your measuring device with a turkey baster or other siphon, if you have a chemical siphon with a thumb stop and not an air bulb, all the better, those tiny drops burn as much as big ones.

I mix a lot of H2O2 in advanced to make sure I don't end up handling this chemical very often. Remember that 12:1 ratios will be slightly less than 3% H2O2, ignore the label and mix at a rate of 11.8:1 for a proper 3% concentration.

THANX PROFFESOR !
was unsure of dose rates....... I have too many different stratergies !
thanx for your opinion !

This stuff is crazy, (h2o2) i will be wearing gloves in future !
The other was FULVIC aciid, luckly didnt not get any on my self........ but that stuff smells like it woiuld melt your face off....

applyed the fulvic outdoors, plants reacted like an `over watering" the apical tips..... new leaf / smaller leaf has swollen up.

And have put more of there stink on !!!

 

[born2killspam]

Hydrogen peroxide is not a hormone in any way shape or form.. Its an oxygen source thats it..
Professor, one point worth making if you end up soring your diluted portions for extended periods is that the weaker the solution, the less stable it is.. 3% solutions will lose more relative potency than your 35% lot..
A replacement (for soil atleast) is calcium peroxide.. Its stable, safe to handle, and converts to H2O2 then releases oxygen slowly over time.. Again, not a hormone, just a way to help roots/microbes breathe..

 

[spiked1]

cummon spiked one dont be an asswipe (not in a bad way) you already know i wanna know the outcome to your la femme test. and besides he said sorry.... WE ALL HAVE OUR BAD DAYS i know i have.. cept im a bit funny if someone puts me back in ma place and wins an arguement in the end i rep em lol.

besides i know kids that could tell you more than most adults could about this sacred plant.... i was one of em in my wild days lol.... it doesnt matter as long as you can grow good bud and share some wisdom.. well thats the oppinion im of.....

but anyhoo i dont believe this thread is a waste...
it has heaps of useful info on it and eza was prolly so heartstuck cos he really is trying to make this thread go somewhere look at all the work he at least gets here collaborated for all to see . i know what it feels like to hav threads ruined.... IT SUX.... JUST PLAIN SUX.....

ya dont gotta go cos of one disagreement. damn thats stupid

also the fact that you been growin 35 years dont mean shit... no matter how much you know your always still learning its just weather people want to learn from you.... the for all you know the neighbours kid could be growin something ass dank as you.. i know i grew kick ass bud then and i do now too.

anyways i didnt get to finish what i gotta say i gotta go get some milk srry about that shops about to shut...

bottom line dumb arguement.... yas both got some points... it was all good till now get over it.... move on and learn from each other thats what this is all about.... eza appologised there was no need to keep being an ass can we please move on

condoms are cheaper than guns
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True, what you said, so I'm not disagreeing.
I've been having a hard time at work lately and once again I've over reacted to something I would normally take in my stride, I don't hold grudges and never stay angry at anyone for very long.
I actually came back to this post to delete what I said but I'm not sure I want to re visit the angry words that were spoken.
So sorry guys, this has been one of my favourite threads with a lot of good input from people who know more than me. So dont let me fuck it up.

 

[spiked1]

I posted the same PM for all to see ! sorry to im trying to help, and the OP in each thread state exactly that.... all info has refference attached... so how do you think i claim all as my own ? And figure I own the forum ? What are you talking about.... please have another spliff and chill.....
Im here for research as are others not so much the social side so yes i collect info to share... it takes me hrs of reading & research to find this shit ! Sorry you did take the post to heart...... ive touched on a soar note obviously, I appologised in PM and in open forum........
Growing for 36yrs ... and your experimenting with rooting hormone ??
I dont want to make this a bash thread so lets hope you truley stick to your word and leave !

Hi eza, just want to apolagise for the the crap I said.
I was just in a really bad mood after fighting with my boss and saw your pm and over reacted like a spoilt kid. I didn't notice your apology so sorry for offending you. What I said was in anger and looking back at it I cant believe that it was me who wrote it, as I don't even agree with some of what I said.
You've been doing some really good work here eza and some of you guys know a shitload more than me, you are also doing some experiments that I have tried as well, such as uv lighting and cytokinin, and hormones, so of course I'm interested.
Anyway, I hope we can be adults and get over it. Cheers.

 

[eza82]

Hydrogen peroxide is not a hormone in any way shape or form.. Its an oxygen source thats it..

welcome back !
I am useing this as stated to effectivly MAXIMISE the uptake of hormones in the root system..... and add some more oxygen to my already poteient mix.....

Hi eza, just want to apolagise for the the crap I said.
I was just in a really bad mood after fighting with my boss and saw your pm and over reacted like a spoilt kid. I didn't notice your apology so sorry for offending you. What I said was in anger and looking back at it I cant believe that it was me who wrote it, as I don't even agree with some of what I said.
You've been doing some really good work here eza and some of you guys know a shitload more than me, you are also doing some experiments that I have tried as well, such as uv lighting and cytokinin, and hormones, so of course I'm interested.
Anyway, I hope we can be adults and get over it. Cheers.

Accepted.....We have all been there ! - I think from memory I was in a bad mood as well ! So I appologise....lol
lets just play the hand of god lol!

Hormones I too have played with but the PRE Bottled typr versions.... since looking into the agri/hort industry there are alot of variations out there !

 

[born2killspam]

Hormone uptake?? Through the root system?? The roots don't transport all this complex stuff that ppl seem to think they do.. They primary uptake ions via a proton gradient.. Aside from that and water, not that much at all makes it up the xylem.. Anything complex that you add to your root system is to improve the soil ecosystem.. Microbes can use them as an energy source to produce more salts/ions..
And H2O2 can backfire pretty bad on the microbes.. CaO2 will buffer against those problems..
Unless your hormone is to act directly on root tissue, then applying it at root level is a waste or a scam (unless it isn't actually hormone).. By definition, a hormone is something that the plant can produce internally.. Typically the direction of travel is downwards.. Thats why they're typically applied to new foliage/stems..