robert 14617
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i use brier rabbit , i used too much n this grow one of my babies has all the signs of nit. toxicity ,your girl looks great
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Stoney McFried
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Oh man, I hope she gets better.Yeah, I use some red label stuff, and I probably do it every other week.
DownOnWax
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Sorghum is good stuff.I've noticed that right after I give them molasses, there seems to be a noticeable fattening of the buds. I use sorghum molasses, because they have twice the nutrients of blackstrap.
It's actually made from a grass and mollasas is a by product of sugar cane.
Here in the sticks where I live a lot of people use sorghum, big in the South
robert 14617
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i've always liked it on my biscuits in the mornin
Stoney McFried
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Yeah, I've been trying to find it, but I had found the nutrition labels off of both blackstrap and sorghum online somewhere, and it's got roughly twice the nutrients,all down the line.I heard it tastes better, too.I don't care for either, really.
Sorghum is good stuff.
It's actually made from a grass and mollasas is a by product of sugar cane.
Here in the sticks where I live a lot of people use sorghum, big in the South
Twistyman
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I'm doing something different this year someone at another place who grows BIG TIME said to stop or replace molasses a while before end as it may impart a bitter taste that molasses has... I'm going with Dirtbags Apple juice.. He has threads here and at other places and his nute,soil and grow advice is much cherished and used by old & new growers with all good acclaim..
His thread here is "Pornfolio"........
His thread here is "Pornfolio"........
Stoney McFried
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I just went and looked in my cupboard, and the sorghum molasses does have twice the nutrients, except for potassium, which it has none of at all.Which is fine, too much potassium is bad.
Stoney McFried
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I've heard of that.Sorghum doesn't have the bitter taste, either,that's why some folks prefer it to regular molasses on their biscuits.
DownOnWax
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There are some old timere around where I live that swear by sorghum as the "cure all" for everything!
And there are a lot of hippies that use the stalks to make a type of Sorghum To-Fu. From what I have heard there are 2 types: Sweet and Regular.
The folks down at my local farmers market say it is really good for you so it makes sense it is better for plants than a sugar by product
Twistyman
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See I've read different to K(potassium) being bad in high levels.... its supposed to help plant use water nute better in the tutorial I read.. plus my Canna nutes the K is the highest number in flower .. canna veg 3-1-3... flower 2-2-4..so always high or highest.. more reading I will do to get the poop as it were.... I'll point you to it when I find it...this does need a second opinion as lots of things I read at one place is deemed crap at another......
Stoney McFried
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EW.Tofu of any kind is...icky....
I think that's some of that chemically altered shit, like saccharine....There are some old timere around where I live that swear by sorghum as the "cure all" for everything!
And there are a lot of hippies that use the stalks to make a type of Sorghum To-Fu. From what I have heard there are 2 types: Sweet and Regular.
The folks down at my local farmers market say it is really good for you so it makes sense it is better for plants than a sugar by product
My nutes have potassium already, I don't need more, so it's cool.
Twistyman
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Why Molasses?
The reason nutrient manufacturers have discovered molasses is the simple fact that its a great source of carbohydrates to stimulate the growth of beneficial microorganisms. Carbohydrate is really just a fancy word for sugar, and molasses is the best sugar for horticultural use. Folks who have read some of our prior essays know that we are big fans of promoting and nourishing soil life, and that we attribute a good portion of our growing success to the attention we pay to building a thriving micro-herd to work in concert with plant roots to digest and assimilate nutrients. We really do buy into the old organic gardening adage - Feed the soil not the plant.
Molasses is a good, quick source of energy for the various forms of microbes and soil life in a compost pile or good living soil. As we said earlier, molasses is a carbon source that feeds the beneficial microbes that create greater natural soil fertility. But, if giving a sugar boost was the only goal, there would be lots of alternatives. We could even go with the old Milly Blunt story of using Coke on plants as a child, after all Coke would be a great source of sugar to feed microbes and it also contains phosphoric acid to provide phosphorus for strengthening roots and encouraging blooming. In our eyes though, the primary thing that makes molasses the best sugar for agricultural use is its trace minerals.
In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those beneficial beasties to survive and thrive.
Thats one of the secrets weve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil micro-herd of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - its actually the critters in live soil that break down organic fertilizers and feed it to our plants.
One final benefit molasses can provide to your garden is its ability to work as a chelating agent. Thats a scientific way of saying that molasses is one of those magical substances that can convert some chemical nutrients into a form thats easily available for critters and plants. Chelated minerals can be absorbed directly and remain available and stable in the soil. Rather than spend a lot of time and effort explaining the relationships between chelates and micronutrients, we are going to quote one of our favorite sources for explaining soil for scientific laymen.Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced KEE-late) comes from the Greek word for claw, which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.
For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.
Excerpted from The Soul of Soil
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie
The reason nutrient manufacturers have discovered molasses is the simple fact that its a great source of carbohydrates to stimulate the growth of beneficial microorganisms. Carbohydrate is really just a fancy word for sugar, and molasses is the best sugar for horticultural use. Folks who have read some of our prior essays know that we are big fans of promoting and nourishing soil life, and that we attribute a good portion of our growing success to the attention we pay to building a thriving micro-herd to work in concert with plant roots to digest and assimilate nutrients. We really do buy into the old organic gardening adage - Feed the soil not the plant.
In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those beneficial beasties to survive and thrive.
Thats one of the secrets weve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil micro-herd of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - its actually the critters in live soil that break down organic fertilizers and feed it to our plants.
One final benefit molasses can provide to your garden is its ability to work as a chelating agent. Thats a scientific way of saying that molasses is one of those magical substances that can convert some chemical nutrients into a form thats easily available for critters and plants. Chelated minerals can be absorbed directly and remain available and stable in the soil. Rather than spend a lot of time and effort explaining the relationships between chelates and micronutrients, we are going to quote one of our favorite sources for explaining soil for scientific laymen.Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced KEE-late) comes from the Greek word for claw, which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.
For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.
Excerpted from The Soul of Soil
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie
Twistyman
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Potassium Facts:
Potassium is chemical element 19 on the periodic table and makes up to 3.5% of the earth crust. It is a balanced element and is second only to nitrogen in the quantities required by the plants. K plays a role in photosynthesis, enzyme activation, stomata control and transport of plant sugars.
Muriate of Potash (MOP)
Potassium chloride (commonly referred to as Muriate of Potash or MOP is the common potassium source used in agriculture, accounting for about 95% of all potash fertilizers used worldwide.
Keep in mind chloride reduces microbiological activity in the soil and at high levels can become toxic.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 50%
Chloride: 46%
Sulfate of Potash (SOP)
Potassium sulfate is used on crops that are sensitive to chloride or fertilizer, or where sulfur is deficient.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 41%
Sulfur: 18%
Potassium Magnesium Sulfate K2Mg(SO4)2
Potassium magnesium sulfate is an excellent source of three of the major nutrients - potassium, magnesium and sulfur. It is used mainly for high value crops, where all three of these nutrients are requied.
While it is 99.7% water soluble, the rate of solubility is slow and not recommended for application in crop irrigation systems.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium:18%
Magnesium: 11%
Sulfur: 22%
Potassium Nitrate (KNO3)
Potassium nitrate, sometimes known as saltpeter, is often used in foliar sprays or fertilization because it is highly and quickly water soluble.
Potassium nitrate has application as a potassium source for crops which are highly sensitive to chloride. It is an oxidizing agent though which leads to rusting of metal elements .
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 38%
Nitrogen: 13%
Potassium is chemical element 19 on the periodic table and makes up to 3.5% of the earth crust. It is a balanced element and is second only to nitrogen in the quantities required by the plants. K plays a role in photosynthesis, enzyme activation, stomata control and transport of plant sugars.
Muriate of Potash (MOP)
Potassium chloride (commonly referred to as Muriate of Potash or MOP is the common potassium source used in agriculture, accounting for about 95% of all potash fertilizers used worldwide.
Keep in mind chloride reduces microbiological activity in the soil and at high levels can become toxic.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 50%
Chloride: 46%
Sulfate of Potash (SOP)
Potassium sulfate is used on crops that are sensitive to chloride or fertilizer, or where sulfur is deficient.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 41%
Sulfur: 18%
Potassium Magnesium Sulfate K2Mg(SO4)2
Potassium magnesium sulfate is an excellent source of three of the major nutrients - potassium, magnesium and sulfur. It is used mainly for high value crops, where all three of these nutrients are requied.
While it is 99.7% water soluble, the rate of solubility is slow and not recommended for application in crop irrigation systems.
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium:18%
Magnesium: 11%
Sulfur: 22%
Potassium Nitrate (KNO3)
Potassium nitrate, sometimes known as saltpeter, is often used in foliar sprays or fertilization because it is highly and quickly water soluble.
Potassium nitrate has application as a potassium source for crops which are highly sensitive to chloride. It is an oxidizing agent though which leads to rusting of metal elements .
Its nutrient composition is approximately:
Potassium: 38%
Nitrogen: 13%
Stoney McFried
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Thanks for the info, twisty!
You're welcome, liebe.
You're welcome, liebe.
Twistyman
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I just put those up... there is a much better chart I saw...I'm not saying you or me are right or wrong just showing some of the things I've found and whatever we all gleen form the posts are & will be different..just as whats good there isn't here... part of the learning game..find read and accept, refuse or keep searching..all which is good..
but whatever you're doing is working fine....
but whatever you're doing is working fine....
Stoney McFried
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I hear ya.Everybody does it a little different.I just figured since I'm, using miracle grow ferts, I really shouldn't overdo it,lol.If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
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Tits!er....I mean, tips!
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