Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[GrowRebel]

You certainly are an easily frustrated little box person aren'tcha?

I'm not frustrated ... in fact I'm having a good time making people like you look stupid. It's my favorite past time. Stick around.

I am debating the science, and your "facts". You are all red faced and spitting on your keyboard. Not necessary. I am new here, and don't want to start flaming yet... because I am an awful person and would like to stick around a while to give some understanding of how I work.

No ... you are not debating the science ... you are just making up shit ... if you were debating the science as you claim you would have address the links I provided in my last post stating the evidence. Instead you try to side step the issue by making up some shit about me. But that don't fly and until you address the science link you will continue to look like the fool you are.

Most of what you parrot is completely contrived. You state presumptions about circumstances you do not understand, and apply simple logic to the solution. Here... I will show you...

How the hell would you know if it was contrived ... you don't bother to read the evidence. Tell us exactly in the physic link what I "parrot is completely contrived" ... give an examples in the links provided with presumptions about circumstances I do not understand ... instead of just blowing it out your ass.

Here you are just incorrect. Unless you are in "restricted" air space, such as over the whitehouse. There is no such thing as "secure" air space, and none of the planes were in restricted airspace. The procedure, for the record, when a plane goes off course, we usually don't know about it, because radar is not tracking planes most of the time (being ground based 50s technology). It is called "uncontrolled space".

Oh really ... and since when is the pentagon and the financial center of the world not restricted air space? Blowing it out your ass again.

Typically if a jet goes off course and does not squalk within 5 minutes they pick up the "red phone". Already you are 20 minutes into just getting them into the air, much less approaching their target.

At 8:40 NORAD gets a call from the FAA about flight 11.

At 8:43 they get one about 175

At 8:45 11 slams tower 1.

At 8:46 we get birds in the air from Falmouth MA (350 mi)

At 9:03 175 hits tower 2.

At 9:22 NORAD gets the call on flight 77.

Once again you didn't read the link I posted on NORAD ... no surprise there. It only make you look stupid again so you might as well continue to ignore the link.

It generally takes about 15 minutes to scramble a jet from order to throttle.

Yep and would have had the time to stop them ... if they had been called in a timely manner ... but they were not ... why?

Seriously... how do you keep the foil from chaffing? Seems like the sound alone of it on my head would drive me nuts.

Yes I would imagine the sound of TRUTH ringing in your head would drive someone that can't face the facts ... nuts ... yeah ... I can agree with you on this point.

Who is it exactly that you claim to represent? Who exactly do you think I do?

I represent me, myself and I ... and I really don't care "who exactly do you think I do?"

You do realize that every base doesn't have jets and pilots waiting at the ready to jump into "pew pew pew got'em" battle right? Most highly militarized parts of the country? They went from boston to New York (215 mi) Falmouth is closer to boston, Andrews is closer to NY.

Blowing it out your ass again ... they didn't take the flight path you claim ... and if you bother the check the links I provided you would have seen their flight path and the military bases ... with jets ... that they passed. So once again you make yourself look totally stupid.

I expect you to disprove my evidence or STFU... frankly.

"Nuh uh" is not a acceptable defense.

Already did with the links I provided that you didn't bother to look at.

So... it is your contention that our intelligence is too stupid to kill the people who are supposed to have died in this phony attack?

I don't know what you are talking about here ... too stupid to kill the people?

Seriously? That makes sense to you? Kill 3000+ citizens and ruin our economy... but let the scapegoats run free in morocco or wherever... You really are awesome.

Nothing you write makes sense ... PNAC has no problem killing americans or anyone else ... and the "scapegoats" as you call them are running around in the US. I know I am ... but what are you?

Ok... but this is the last time I do your research for you. Now quit regurgitating the lies you KNOW are false. It is intellectually dishonest. THIS is what a flight manifest looks like.

Funny ... I can't find your link to this "flight manifest" ... and we don't want to know what it looks like ... we what to know if it's the list the hijackers were suppose to be on. So who is being intellectually dishonest?

What is this meant to demonstrate exactly?

That high members in SS knew that bush wasn't in danger ... and they knew because it was a false flag attack.

lol.

hee hee hee ... you are pretty funny. That's why I like you.

So the conspiracy widens... awesome.

Obviously way too much for you to handle.

So... these buildings fall slower? Sweet. Got a link to a video of one?

No ... the don't fall at all! ... but you can't seem to comprehend that simple concept. Plenty of video links ... an excellent one on the previous page with Richard Gage comparing the WTC and a building being demolished in a side by side video ... and lots more all throughout this thread ... knock yourself out ... but somehow ... I doubt you will ... why look at videos that make you look

oh... thats right... THEY ARE THE ONLY TWO IN HISTORY.

Wrong again ... they are the only THREE in history ... So you demostrat that you really don't know what you are talking about ... the 15 sec drop into it's foot print ... something you still can't seem to explain ... oh I'm sorry you said they were delicate. ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ...

I am here to challenge the shit blowing... not the other way around.

The challenge you have offer is by insulting the intelligence of me, the other posters and the folks in our viewing audience with your piss poor responses. As I have clearly shown in the last post is you do nothing but blow it out your ass.

Keep skipping the things you cant answer and move on to new ones...

I've address every single bull shit point you have made ...

I am still waiting for a rational logistical solution. I notice you skipped that.

I have posted the logical solution ... a public non partisan investigation with subpoena power and testimony under oath ... what part of that don't you understand?

You weren't watching the news live that day I guess.

Oh you mean the corporate news that lied about this event from the start? Nope.

Great... glad we are all on the same page now.

Are we? Not according to your last post on this point.

For I believe the 3rd time now... the steel does not have to melt, to weaken/bend. When you say steel melts at 2700, you are unaware that you are referring to the melting point of steel... the point when it becomes liquid.

Steel has to do a lot more than "weaken/bend" before it comes crashing down in 15 sec. in it's own foot print ... I've posted pictures in this thread of steel from the building that was cut by thermite.

Burned ignited by Jet A after suffering the impact of tons?

In skyscapers design to handle such an event according to Richard Gage as well as other architects and engineers.

What law would that be? Just curious.

What you have a reading comprehension problem? Go back and read again what I wrote.

So you explain that bridge how? I mean... cmon... I gave you a well documented case. How much twisted melty steel do I have to find before you accept that you have no understanding whatsoever of physics, metalergy, or thermodynamics.

What am I suppose to do with a picture that give no detail of the circumstance of what happen? This is your evidence ... a picture with no info ... Get real. You continue to blow it out ... you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about do you.

Ps... You can be civil. Just because I dont agree with you, and frankly think you are a loon, doesn't mean you have to be nasty.

I am being civil ... you think I'm a loon ... I think your stupid so what?

Like I said. I will try nice as long as it works. Then I am going to hurt your feelings and you will be sad... so try being civil.

Not even on your best day could you hurt my feelings ... I can take the heat ... can you? Go do your homework so you won't look so stupid the next time.

 

[what... huh?]

The line by line thing is just too time consuming, so we are starting over.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

^science, from scientists... not tin foil hat wearers who using pseudoscience that they do not understand themselves.

I have addressed each of your concerns the best I could given the time I have. I have corrected you on several counts. You do not acknowledge those corrections. You do not understand the terms you are using, and so I explain them... and still you ramble on.

Hit me with your best shot. Question by question we can go over this. You copy and paste miles of crap hoping to overwhelm your opponent. See... you aren't doing any research. You aren't doing any thinking really... you are just regurgitating the same shit I have been discrediting for the last 7 years.

I know all of your arguments before you wage them, because you do not wage arguments. You paste. I got it. All of it. I do not mean to shock you, but you have not pasted anything new.

So as I said. Lets go one at a time. I will answer ONE of yours, and you ONE of mine... then we move on to the next eh?

So, mine is still the first and only thing I have asked, which you continue to avoid.

Can you make up a feasible story explaining the preparation for demo that is logistically sound, without any single human being seeing.

Lastly, you can continue to call me stupid, it doesn't bother me, but it makes you look sort of desperate. I mean if you need stupid people to explain to you what a flight plan is, or what restricted airspace is... it doesn't bode well for you.

also... Reagan International Airport is less than a mile from the pentagon. It is not restricted airspace save the area NE of the pentagon, which was not violated

Not that it really matters... because if there WAS RA, they would have been over it for just seconds.

Airspace over the financial sector is NOT restricted airspace. Planes fly over all day. You just don't know what you are talking about.

No jet had ever intercepted an airliner in less than 45 minutes. Ever.

I said no 2 buildings, because there are comparable buildings to 7. So you think 7 moved too fast for gravity? or are all those videos of 1&2?
That's what I thought.

My wife was a US Air pilot, and on that day took Mohammed Attah and 3 others to Boston from Bangor ME as memory serves... just as she had done 3 times before. I was on the phone with her when the FBI took her for questioning after she and all pilots were grounded. You probably will do better to avoid the aviation aspect of this, because I will continue to make you look stupid. Stick to demo. Don't give me any shit about my friends not being dead. It is just annoying.

 

[what... huh?]

Just out of curiosity... roughly how many people were in on this conspiracy?

By my count, so far, we have everyone in the FAA. The Bush Whitehouse. The CIA. The FBI.

What I wan't to know is how many of the incidentals, like you would have people in the airline industry, friends, family... How many pilots and first officers were in on it? How many folks in the military? How many AF pilots, sworn to defend the constitution were in on it? How many people in air traffic control? First responders? Demolitions experts? Scientists? How many people, roughly, do you suppose it takes to pull of a stunt like this... which will kill untold thousands... and destroy the financial markets... so that we can go bomb mud huts?

Rough guess.


Also... how many living unicorns are there in your world?

 

[jfgordon1]

Also... how many living unicorns are there in your world?

7... the answer is 7.

but seriously, we don't know how many people were in on it. i would like the answer to that question as well. all that i know is things just didn't add up that day.

gulf of tonkin was made up to start vietnam that killed 58,000 people. why not do it again?

since 9/11 the government has gotten huge and the powerful people love it.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

I just wish there was more use of this.

 

[what... huh?]

No ... you are not debating the science ... you are just making up shit ... if you were debating the science as you claim you would have address the links I provided in my last post stating the evidence.

This one is annoying. To date, in direct contradiction to your "science and facts" (which are not at all science, nor facts... but instead people positing what they believe possible based on their understanding) I have offered the following.

Bwaa ha ha ... steel structures melt everyday? Bullshit! Steel structures are sprayed with fireproofing material! Wrong again ... I have video posted in this thread ... around page 19 or so ... of firemen stating that they heard explosions right before the building collapes ...

I showed you this

and can provide all the information you need. The notion that "a fire wont melt steel" is a fundamental flaw in understanding that is at the core of at least 3 of your links. You are incorrect, and you have no argument other than "huh uh" or "bullshit" or "you are so stupid".

You said:

What complete and total bullshit ... the average house fire is between 800 and 1200 degrees and it takes 1600 degrees to vaporize bone ...

I showed you a book on forensic pathology which states "Image 10.23 depicts partially blackened bone fragments from a house fire... it is not unusual for bones of the torso to be completely incinerated... "

It even had pictures for conspiracists who don't read good.

You said :

Oh the list are readily available ... yet you didn't "blindly" copy and paste something readily available to back your bullshit ... I wonder why? Put up or stfu on this one
And what about this?
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive

and I posted the flight manifests for all flights. Disproving much of the conjecture in that link. I knew a guy named Juan Garcia... he was from Mexico. Do you think Mexico could find a guy that looks like him with the same name? Cause I heard my friend was dead... and would like to find him alive.
I guess your site didn't bother to keep up with the story that IT sites as "fact". I can do that with all of them... but here is the first one. I don't want to get mired in that. It is boring. IF however you choose that specific one, I will happily disprove them all. The FBI has never posted that image as Waleed M al-Shehri. The media is responsible for that particular misrepresentation. Your link is promoting a direct lie. I am fond of demonstrating a lie to discredit an entire article... but again... I am happy to go one by one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html

You say:

Shoes ... engine ... purses ... source?

I posted:

Explaining that I remember seeing it unfold live. You explanation is that "the corporate media set it up". There were crowds of people around this thing. This was mid morning in the busiest city on the planet. This didn't happen on a closed street... wtf dude? So you think a news van came and dropped it off out the back of the van, destroyed the stuff it was supposed thit in its path, and busted up the concrete real quick before anyone saw. We can't play this game if you are unable to think rationally.

You say:

Oh really ... and since when is the pentagon and the financial center of the world not restricted air space? Blowing it out your ass again.

and I demonstrate...

Bam. Fact. Evidence. It is all I have done. All you provide is contrived misunderstandings. You post erronious information, such as the height of the aircraft, as if it were fact. You misuse the terms you are claiming to understand better than I, and you just rail past any evidence demonstrating you are wrong. Like I said... lets go one by one, because my controlled demolition of your "science and facts" is getting lost in a blur of paste.

Lastly, If this is what you believe civil discourse is, it explains a lot about your family and why you are so angry at authority figures. Your inability to effect positive change in your own life must have a target. After all, it can't be your fault. It is the fault of authority, and you will demonize them for your failures in life. The man keeping you down. You feel impotent and are easily frustrated when your web of excuses for apathetic non-involvment in your future is threatened. That isn't meant to hurt your feelings... it is just an observation and opinion. Now... address a point. Let us hash it, and move on.

 

[what... huh?]

7... the answer is 7.

but seriously, we don't know how many people were in on it. i would like the answer to that question as well. all that i know is things just didn't add up that day.

gulf of tonkin was made up to start vietnam that killed 58,000 people. why not do it again?

since 9/11 the government has gotten huge and the powerful people love it.

And I am not a "yay government woohoo" guy. The gulf of Tonkin, Guatemala, Louse, Panama... you got a bunch of things to hit on, where you will get nothing from me but vitriol. We have done some dark stuff all over the world. This, however, is not one of them.

It is an unfair advantage I have over you. I know my wife wasn't in on it. She flew a small jet. She greeted everyone on the plane, every time. In fact, at that time, they often left the cockpit door open during flight. People seemed to like to see what was going on.

From this, I have a level of understanding that you can't. It is, unfortunately, not possible to posit my anecdotal experience as evidence... but so you understand where I am coming from. This is a conspiracy that requires thousands, if not tens of thousands to be complicit in a horror most are sworn to prevent, without a single dissenter. Not a single whistle blown amongst a sea of government and civilian workers at different levels. Again, setting demo in two of the largest buildings in the world without detection... impossible.

 

[what... huh?]

7... the answer is 7.

but seriously, we don't know how many people were in on it. i would like the answer to that question as well. all that i know is things just didn't add up that day.

gulf of tonkin was made up to start vietnam that killed 58,000 people. why not do it again?

since 9/11 the government has gotten huge and the powerful people love it.

I completely agree with the last statement. Absolutely people are using the situation to fleece power, and I find it very disturbing. We just disagree about the cause of the situation.

Just wanted to say my comments are directed really at grow rebel. You and I are of different opinion, but you are polite and not clinging to information shown to be erroneous. You will never see me say "trust the government". Your questions all seem logical... as do your assumptions. I believe they are wrong... as do you believe my logical questions and assumptions may be. I don't expect grow and I to be able to continue soon. He is irrational and histrionic. He will not confront facts well.

 

[olosto]

What..HUH - There was an article I posted awhile ago that explained the psycology of conspiracy theories and those that chose to believe them despite the mountain of evidence contrary. Your statements are very logicl and easy to fllow. Anyone with an ounce of common sence and rationa thinking understands the truth. The people that are wrapped p in the conspiracy will always find some excuseor ossibility no matter how remote because they are emotionally invested into the belief that they are one of the special people that see it. Reference CrackerJacks posts, they are exactly the responses the article talks about. Same with growrebel. They are not going to give up their belief that they see something that few others see and that makes them special.


Great posts BTW. I don't always agree with you but you are spot on here.. +rep for the patience.


Edit: And fuck my broken ass keyboard, im not fixing the typos! lolol

 

[GrowRebel]

The line by line thing is just too time consuming, so we are starting over.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

^science, from scientists... not tin foil hat wearers who using pseudoscience that they do not understand themselves.

Popular mechanics has already been debunked in this and others threads ... but for the record ...
Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies
Oh and folks ... I don't know if I posted this or not so I will ... this is a great MP3 ... Charles Goyette's Popular Mechanics 9/11 Interview causes cancellation of later interviews.
Listen to this MP3 file of Popular Mechanics on the Charles Goyette show in Phoenix. Charles has him backpedaling big time. Pass this MP3 file to any one who is leaning on Popular Mechanics to support their continued belief in the official story:
This is a great interview folks ... he really creams this PM guy ... they(PM) are very defensive about the article now ... check out the MP3 of the caller ... it's great!

So much for PM ... scientists? and prey tell us what Richard Gage is? And what part of his theory is "pseudoscience" you like to call names and give labels but that's it ... you never explain specifically what parts of Gage's presentation or any other evidence posted is "pseudoscience" and you know why? Because you can't. As usual you continue to blow shit out your ass.

I have addressed each of your concerns the best I could given the time I have. I have corrected you on several counts. You do not acknowledge those corrections. You do not understand the terms you are using, and so I explain them... and still you ramble on.

You haven't address anything other than saying it's incorrect or "tin hat" yet each and every time you fail to show why the evidence presented is incorrect put up or stfu. So far you come up with unexplained pictures with NO LINKS to the source ... so as far as I'm concerned you are still full of shit.

Hit me with your best shot. Question by question we can go over this. You copy and paste miles of crap hoping to overwhelm your opponent. See... you aren't doing any research. You aren't doing any thinking really... you are just regurgitating the same shit I have been discrediting for the last 7 years.

You wouldn't know what I posted is crap or not you don't bother to check ... and that's your problem ... you can't read or comprehend the obvious. My goal is not to convince you of anything. My mission is to show every one just how stupid you are ... and I'm doing I find job when you deny the obvious. And you still haven't shown at any time how the material I've posted has been discredited. So here again you are blowing it out you ass like so many of your kind do.

I know all of your arguments before you wage them, because you do not wage arguments. You paste. I got it. All of it. I do not mean to shock you, but you have not pasted anything new.

Folks you see how twisted the bushwhacked minded are. They love to project their short coming on to others. When you provide your source they call it copying and pasting ... when they copy and paste their bullshit without providing the source ... it's proof. Bwaa ha ha ha ... they are so funny.

So as I said. Lets go one at a time. I will answer ONE of yours, and you ONE of mine... then we move on to the next eh?

I'm still waiting for you to show the material I've posted is bullshit other than saying it is ... show us why ... and what source you have to back your statements ... if you continue with material that has already been debunked in this thread it will not be accepted. Go back and look at the posts regarding PM.

So, mine is still the first and only thing I have asked, which you continue to avoid.

Can you make up a feasible story explaining the preparation for demo that is logistically sound, without any single human being seeing.

I've already told you ... if you are too stupid to comprehend my answer that's not my problem.

Lastly, you can continue to call me stupid, it doesn't bother me, but it makes you look sort of desperate. I mean if you need stupid people to explain to you what a flight plan is, or what restricted airspace is... it doesn't bode well for you.

Well I can't call you ignorant because I have presenting you with facts, because you have the facts and disregard the obvious I can legally call you stupid.

However I must confess I'm mistaken about the use of term restricted air space what I mean to say is those area are secure air space may be the correct term. But I know it's has it's defenses.

No jet had ever intercepted an airliner in less than 45 minutes. Ever.

Source?

I said no 2 buildings, because there are comparable buildings to 7. So you think 7 moved too fast for gravity? or are all those videos of 1&2?
That's what I thought.

There are videos of all three buildings ... yeah ... that's not what you thought! Ha ha ... and here again you are being stupid ... 15 sec for a building design to withstand what happen ... to believe anything else is just plain stupid. And I will call anyone stupid that believes these building fell in 15 sec after burning less than 2 hours in a fire not hot enough to do the damage that was done. Still waiting for you to address Gage's presentation ... but as usual you won't ... because you can't! ha ha!

My wife was a US Air pilot,

Good for her ... why don't you have her put you in the bitch seat and take ya for a spin? Ha ha ... just joking ...

and on that day took Mohammed Attah and 3 others to Boston from Bangor ME as memory serves... just as she had done 3 times before. I was on the phone with her when the FBI took her for questioning after she and all pilots were grounded. You probably will do better to avoid the aviation aspect of this, because I will continue to make you look stupid. Stick to demo. Don't give me any shit about my friends not being dead. It is just annoying.

You might as well save this shit because there is no way on earth you can prove it. You have yet to make me look nearly as stupid as I have made you. Still waiting on your response to Gage. Until you do so you will remain stupid in this thread.

 

[olosto]

You might as well save this shit because there is no way on earth you can prove it.

You have yet to make me look nearly as stupid as I have made you.

Really I beg to differ. He offered sites, and some real questions that you never answered fully. I would still like to hear how they rigged the buildings with enough explosive to bring them down with no one noticing. Have you ever watched a program on a demo being done? Its crazy the amount to prep work.

Another thing no one has mentioned is friction heat. The heat caused by the building impacting the building even if there was no jet fuel would be enourmous. Kinda like how a metior crater has glass in it frm the heat (friction) generated by the rapid decelleration. That combined with the instant heat of the jet fuel and the HUGE amounts of oxygen (basically the building is a blowtorch at this point) being fed in the windows and vented up floors (heating the floors above).

You now have a giant blowtorch. Huge structural damage, and gravity.



As for the thrid building thing, I was watching tv that day, all day. Debris had been dropping on it ever since the collision. It was no mystery why it collapsed that day from memory. There was even a camera trained on it, and I think it was burning before it collapsed, but I could be wrong.

 

[olosto]

omfg double poster..

 

[NoDrama]

Anyone got any pics of a steel structure catching fire and falling down besides the Trade center buildings?

Interstate Bank Building, nope didn't fall down, steel structures don't fall.

Beijing CCTV building, Man that thing burned all the way, every floor completely gutted, still didn't fall.

Madrid Building in Spain, another 100% burnt to a crisp building, they are deciding how much money and effort it is going to take to get it dismantled, cuz you guessed it IT DID NOT FALL OVER!

Yep this one looks like it should fall over any minute now...Thats exactly what happened, here is a shot of WTC building #7 and the massive fires that caused to to melt and fall into itself! Yep thats totally believable!! BAAA BAAA BAAAA

If it quacks like a demolition and walks like a demolition then its a .......


Just my 2c. I'm not trying to start a war here, theres just no amount of evidence that the sheep can muster that will ever change my mind that those buildings took some minor hits and just fell down. I Don't care how many government experts say its so, or how many fox/nbc/abc specials they do where everyone they interview says " Yeah they fell over cuz the fires were hot".

 

[olosto]

2 things trade center had that those did not have.

1. A HUGE plane smashing into it high off the ground. (they sway this caused in the building probablly severely weakened most of the supports, not to mention the plane slicing thru the building like a knife thru hot butter..
2. A huge amount of highly combustable fuel, with a huge amount of wind and more importantly oyxgen.

Small difference i know... lol

 

[NoDrama]

Well that just goes to show that you really don't know what your talking about. WTC building # 7 had no plane hit it, and no combustible fuel with huge amount of wind yadayadayada, but yet it fell into its own footprint leaving buildings right next to it relatively untouched and the ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT that it fell at free fall speed, which is IMPOSSIBLE unless all of its steel supports were somehow cut. You seem to think these buildings are made of brick and masonry, they aren't that's only a facade, they are GIANT steel girders and a steel framework that is over engineered to the extent that the building can sway 36 inches from its center and suffer no ill harm. There is just no way some light structural damage and a couple girl scout campfires took that building down. Believe what you want, you will never convince those of us that see the truth.

 

[what... huh?]

Popular mechanics has already been debunked in this and others threads ... but for the record ...
Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies
Oh and folks ... I don't know if I posted this or not so I will ... this is a great MP3 ... Charles Goyette's Popular Mechanics 9/11 Interview causes cancellation of later interviews.
Listen to this MP3 file of Popular Mechanics on the Charles Goyette show in Phoenix. Charles has him backpedaling big time. Pass this MP3 file to any one who is leaning on Popular Mechanics to support their continued belief in the official story:

This is a great interview folks ... he really creams this PM guy ... they(PM) are very defensive about the article now ... check out the MP3 of the caller ... it's great!

So much for PM ... scientists? and prey tell us what Richard Gage is? And what part of his theory is "pseudoscience" you like to call names and give labels but that's it ... you never explain specifically what parts of Gage's presentation or any other evidence posted is "pseudoscience" and you know why? Because you can't. As usual you continue to blow shit out your ass.

I note you don't actually refute any evidence I give... you simply attribute it to "not like me". I have challenged you to give me your best piece of evidence, and work backwards as we go down the road of logic and science together. It seems like a simple ask.

You haven't address anything other than saying it's incorrect or "tin hat" yet each and every time you fail to show why the evidence presented is incorrect put up or stfu. So far you come up with unexplained pictures with NO LINKS to the source ... so as far as I'm concerned you are still full of shit.

I am sorry, I guess I assume that if I show you a melted steel framed structure, I presume you have the tools necessary to comprehend that a bridge collapsing is NOT a product of government propaganda. Please highlight ANY of the evidence I have shown you, and I will gladly give you whatever information you require, without psycho nutjobs making up reasons why it "might" have happened.

Here is the fundamental problem with us arguing. I show you flight maps, readily available to all pilots, before and after 9/11... and because I disagree with you... you simply dismiss them as "lies" because they are contrary to your prior concept. This is troublesome for me, in my position. What WILL you accept as real, or proof, beyond what you currently accept? That is a tough order to fill. You are incapable of accepting that ANYBODY who believes as you do is wrong, or that ANYTHING in direct contrast to your belief system is genuine.

It is like trying to explain to a devout catholic who has never read the bible, the contradictions therein. You FAITH conspiracy. It is very hard for us on the rational side of reality.

You wouldn't know what I posted is crap or not you don't bother to check ... and that's your problem ... you can't read or comprehend the obvious. My goal is not to convince you of anything. My mission is to show every one just how stupid you are ... and I'm doing I find job when you deny the obvious. And you still haven't shown at any time how the material I've posted has been discredited. So here again you are blowing it out you ass like so many of your kind do.

You are guilty precisely of that which you accuse me. Here is the primary difference between us. You copy and paste mountains of erroneous information. You are unwilling to acknowledge those things which I clearly demonstrate as BS. You continue to derive from the sources I have shown to promote BS, as if it is unimportant.

If I point you to a link, which explains an event, and something in that link were shown to be incorrect... I will not continue to point to things within that link... because it is evident that for whatever reason... the writer is more concerned with being RIGHT than CORRECT. I have to continue to accept sources which are KNOWINGLY lying... or irreparably ignorant to the facts. At that point, my source becomes an irreparable source.
Yours becomes a victim of conspiracy.

Folks you see how twisted the bushwhacked minded are. They love to project their short coming on to others. When you provide your source they call it copying and pasting ... when they copy and paste their bullshit without providing the source ... it's proof. Bwaa ha ha ha ... they are so funny.

First and foremost... each image (right click and choose "properties" will tell you the link source) was almost exclusively grabbed from pro 9/11 conspiracy sources. Call them bullshit all you like.

I am a different animal. I call a spade a spade. I am anti-Bush (I and II for the record). Nothing you presume about me is accurate.

Tell me about your father.

I'm still waiting for you to show the material I've posted is bullshit other than saying it is ... show us why ... and what source you have to back your statements ... if you continue with material that has already been debunked in this thread it will not be accepted. Go back and look at the posts regarding PM.

I have. You are a little bit loony. You have yet to address a SINGLE piece of my evidence. Pick one bitch. Put up or shut up... remember? Pick.

I've already told you ... if you are too stupid to comprehend my answer that's not my problem.

Looked... gone back and looked. Gone back again and looked. Please re-post as I seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

Well I can't call you ignorant because I have presenting you with facts, because you have the facts and disregard the obvious I can legally call you stupid.

English. Evidently it escapes you that it is both a people AND a language... because that ain't either. Please restate and I will do my best to address it.

However I must confess I'm mistaken about the use of term restricted air space what I mean to say is those area are secure air space may be the correct term. But I know it's has it's defenses.

Again, you are incorrect. I adore the fact that you are willing, at least, to accept that you misused a term. The journey of 1000 miles begins with that first step.

No... there is no "secure" airspace outside of "restricted" in the United States.

Source?

I cannot prove a negative. The onus of proof is on you to discredit it. I have simply made a statement. Show me, in the entire expance of their history, when a jet has intercepted an airliner in less than 45 minutes.

There are videos of all three buildings ... yeah ... that's not what you thought! Ha ha ... and here again you are being stupid ... 15 sec for a building design to withstand what happen ... to believe anything else is just plain stupid. And I will call anyone stupid that believes these building fell in 15 sec after burning less than 2 hours in a fire not hot enough to do the damage that was done. Still waiting for you to address Gage's presentation ... but as usual you won't ... because you can't! ha ha!

Happy to. As I said... I like to go one thing at a time. Is this to be your choice for the first? You have simply to proclaim it... then we can go in turns.

Good for her ... why don't you have her put you in the bitch seat and take ya for a spin? Ha ha ... just joking ...

I have flown right seat more than you have flown. That I can just about guarantee.

You might as well save this shit because there is no way on earth you can prove it. You have yet to make me look nearly as stupid as I have made you. Still waiting on your response to Gage. Until you do so you will remain stupid in this thread.

Funny how one demonstrates their intellect to you. So be it. I will take Gage's argument as your first... presuming you do not object. Then you will address a single argument of mine. As my math works, I have addressed over a dozen of yours. The 3 of mine you have been proven wrong. As math goes... I am winning so far... but then winning is easy when you do not have to re-invent.

 

[GrowRebel]

Really I beg to differ.

knock yourself out ... the facts back what I've presented ... only the bushwhack can't see it ... no surprises there ... and I really don't care whether you do or not.

He offered sites, and some real questions that you never answered fully. I would still like to hear how they rigged the buildings with enough explosive to bring them down with no one noticing. Have you ever watched a program on a demo being done? Its crazy the amount to prep work.

He offered a site that has been debunked and the bbc has been known for trying to debunk the 911 movement with little success ... You bushwhacked seem to have a big problem with reading comprehension ... I've already answered about the rigging in the buildings

Another thing no one has mentioned is friction heat.

Friction heat! Bwaa ha ha ha friction heat ... bwaa ha ha ha ha ... that's a good one!

The heat caused by the building impacting the building even if there was no jet fuel would be enourmous. Kinda like how a metior crater has glass in it frm the heat (friction) generated by the rapid decelleration. That combined with the instant heat of the jet fuel and the HUGE amounts of oxygen (basically the building is a blowtorch at this point) being fed in the windows and vented up floors (heating the floors above).

Do you have any science or source that hasn't been debunked to back this bullshit? No? ... didn't think so ... still waiting for the counter on Gage's presentation ... I wonder why you bushwhack keep avoiding that ... oh that's right ... because you can't! Bwaa ha ha ha ...

You now have a giant blowtorch. Huge structural damage, and gravity.

Bwaa ha ha ha ... yeah ... right! Bwaa ha ha ha! That make a lot of sense ... you're right ... I must be mental.... NOT

As for the thrid building thing, I was watching tv that day, all day. Debris had been dropping on it ever since the collision. It was no mystery why it collapsed that day from memory. There was even a camera trained on it, and I think it was burning before it collapsed, but I could be wrong.

My God! ... you are so to believe that shit. Let's give him a hand ladies and gentlemen!

The people that are wrapped p in the conspiracy will always find some excuseor ossibility no matter how remote because they are emotionally invested into the belief that they are one of the special people that see it. Reference CrackerJacks posts, they are exactly the responses the article talks about. Same with growrebel. They are not going to give up their belief that they see something that few others see and that makes them special.

Check it out folks ... once again the bushwhack tries to project their own short comings on to others ... plenty of polls have been posted showing that most people do not accept the so called "official story" only the few bushwhacked minded that can't see their ass for the hole in the wall believe otherwise. What is even more amusing is they believe they are a majority ... too funny.
... and can the mental shit ... no one is buying it ... couldn't get this link to act right so you will have to copy and paste it in your browser if you want to check it out.

http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?
US News and World Report 911 Hit Piece Backfires
U.S. News and World Report ran an article on May 26th entitled “The Inner Worlds of Conspiracy Believers”. The intention was to demonize the truth/freedom movement by implying that anyone who doesn’t believe the official story of 911 or anyone who mistrusts the government all-together is mentally ill. But the real story isn’t the obvious moronic drivel concocted by this yellow-journalistic rag of disinformation, it is the collection of well-informed comments left on their site…. 147 so far, the overwhelming majority of which are critical of the official conspiracy theory and also of this collection of nonsense that tries to pass itself off as news.
So much for your mental talking points.

Anyone got any pics of a steel structure catching fire and falling down besides the Trade center buildings?

Yep this one looks like it should fall over any minute now...Thats exactly what happened, here is a shot of WTC building #7 and the massive fires that caused to to melt and fall into itself! Yep thats totally believable!! BAAA BAAA BAAAA

If it quacks like a demolition and walks like a demolition then its a .......


Just my 2c. I'm not trying to start a war here, theres just no amount of evidence that the sheep can muster that will ever change my mind that those buildings took some minor hits and just fell down. I Don't care how many government experts say its so, or how many fox/nbc/abc specials they do where everyone they interview says " Yeah they fell over cuz the fires were hot".

I'm telling ya ... it's incredible that they believe those fires cause those buildings to fall in 15 sec onto themselves ... how is that? And we are the one who are the mental cases with no life or redeeming value to contribute to society ... Thank for posting ... good material ... bet they can't find a building ... let watch kids at home.

 

[what... huh?]

Well that just goes to show that you really don't know what your talking about. WTC building # 7 had no plane hit it, and no combustible fuel with huge amount of wind yadayadayada, but yet it fell into its own footprint leaving buildings right next to it relatively untouched

What it DID have that no other did was two of the LARGEST structures in history fall on it.

and here is the shot you won't see from 9/11 conspiracists...

Here is the video log of your "tiny fires". Go ahead. Watch. Won't hurt.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debunking911.com%2Fpull.htm&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
ALLRIGHT GOD DAMNIT SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO POST EMBEDDED YOUTUBE VIDEOS!!!

Damn it all. "How does one building fall because of damage and one not?" How does one guy get shot and live and the other not? Law of chaos. Why are they pulling buildings if they could just have easily be explained by demo?


but wait... here is my favorite... how do these buildings... on multiple floors not BLOW THEIR PLANTED ORDINANCES as suggested while engulfed in flame.


Please give me the TYPE of ordinance which does not burn, yet ignites.

Anybody.

Seriously.

and the ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT that it fell at free fall speed, which is IMPOSSIBLE unless all of its steel supports were somehow cut. You seem to think these buildings are made of brick and masonry, they aren't that's only a facade, they are GIANT steel girders and a steel framework that is over engineered to the extent that the building can sway 36 inches from its center and suffer no ill harm. There is just no way some light structural damage and a couple girl scout campfires took that building down. Believe what you want, you will never convince those of us that see the truth.

I am not WANTING to believe one side or the other. I am not affiliated with the government in any way. I simply disagree given the same evidence. I am also not a retard. You are just gonna have to deal with that fact... and if you actually FAITH your belief... you are going to have to fight for it. As will I.


The last thing I will say to No Drama about this post is the following...

None of the buildings you show are in any way comparable to WTC 1&2. Nothing much else is.

How many buildings do I need to show you like 7 that fall?

Would 1 disprove your theory?

2?

How many of the same weight and class as 7 which did fall would you accept in order to be wrong?

 

[what... huh?]

btw...


Who the FCUK is Gage?


Give me links, not an e-social structure. I don't care who you text for whatever purposes... I wan't links... not screen names.

 

[GrowRebel]

I note you don't actually refute any evidence I give... you simply attribute it to "not like me". I have challenged you to give me your best piece of evidence, and work backwards as we go down the road of logic and science together. It seems like a simple ask.

Oh yeah I did ... I refuted your PM bullshit ... I gave you the Gage's presentation which you refuse to address, but we all know it's because you can't ... you come back with the same blowing it out you ass ... but that's fine ... it's just supports what I say about you.

I am sorry, I guess I assume that if I show you a melted steel framed structure, I presume you have the tools necessary to comprehend that a bridge collapsing is NOT a product of government propaganda.

You put up a picture of some bridge with twisted steel ... give no information on what happen to said bridge and expect us to excepted as evidence that fire can melt steel? .... not.

Please highlight ANY of the evidence I have shown you, and I will gladly give you whatever information you require, without psycho nutjobs making up reasons why it "might" have happened.

Once you address the evidence I have posted then I will go over the bullshit PM report you posted.

Here is the fundamental problem with us arguing. I show you flight maps, readily available to all pilots, before and after 9/11... and because I disagree with you... you simply dismiss them as "lies" because they are contrary to your prior concept.

When did I say the flight maps were a lie? I said the flight path were given in my link.

This is troublesome for me, in my position. What WILL you accept as real, or proof, beyond what you currently accept? That is a tough order to fill. You are incapable of accepting that ANYBODY who believes as you do is wrong, or that ANYTHING in direct contrast to your belief system is genuine.

there is no proof you can show me other than in an open public independent non partisan hearing with people sworn under oath providing credible evidence that what happen that day happen the way they said. Until that day as far as I'm concern the evidence that 911 was an inside job is obvious ... and I have lots of "loon" "mental case" "under achievers company here and overseas, heads of state, academic institutions, and intelligent agents.

It is like trying to explain to a devout catholic who has never read the bible, the contradictions therein. You FAITH conspiracy. It is very hard for us on the rational side of reality.

No ... I FAITH FACTS and the OBVIOUS ... you rational side ... bwaa ha ha ha ... that's funny ... I like you.

You are guilty precisely of that which you accuse me. Here is the primary difference between us. You copy and paste mountains of erroneous information.

You mean all that erroneous information you have yet to dispute or refuse ... that erroneous information ... you mean the information I provided that you can't specifically tell us where the erroneous information is... that stuff? Blowing it out your ass again ... but we all know why ... because you simply can't refute the facts.

You are unwilling to acknowledge those things which I clearly demonstrate as BS. You continue to derive from the sources I have shown to promote BS, as if it is unimportant.

No ... unlike you ... I showed the folks at home why your bullshit is what I say ... I've provided and interview where they discussed specific information in the PM article and debunked it. You have don't nothing like this.

If I point you to a link, which explains an event, and something in that link were shown to be incorrect... I will not continue to point to things within that link...

Well since you haven't shown me what link and what is incorrect ... because you can't ... I'm going to continue to rub the facts of the link in your face.

because it is evident that for whatever reason... the writer is more concerned with being RIGHT than CORRECT.

We are still waiting for you to prove the writer is incorrect ... when you gonna do that? Oh that's right ... you're not ... because you can't! Bwaa ha ha ha

I have to continue to accept sources which are KNOWINGLY lying... or irreparably ignorant to the facts. At that point, my source becomes an irreparable source.
Yours becomes a victim of conspiracy.

I'm going to keep asking this folks at home ... watch them continue to ignore it ... why? Yep that's right kids! Because he can't! Show us the parts where they are "KNOWINGLY lying" ... we'd love to see it. And you are a victim of

First and foremost... each image (right click and choose "properties" will tell you the link source) was almost exclusively grabbed from pro 9/11 sources. Call them bullshit all you like.

No ... each image was grabbed by sources with the facts that you have yet to dispute other than SAYING it's a lie ... ok it's bullshit

I am a different animal. I call a spade a spade. I am anti-Bush (I and II for the record). Nothing you presume about me is accurate.

Tell me about your father.

You got that right ... you are a different animal ... one that is blind. and I call a dummy a dummy ... I've made no presumptions ... only followed the logical conclusion ... now tell me about your mother...

I have. You are a little bit loony. You have yet to address a SINGLE piece of my evidence. Pick one bitch. Put up or shut up... remember? Pick.

I'm a loony ... with lots of company and you are a dummy ... in the minority ... you have yet to address Gage's presentation ... you can try and project all you like but I will not let you get away with all the side stepping ... Still waiting asswipe ... put up or stfu ...

Looked... gone back and looked. Gone back again and looked. Please re-post as I seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

Tell us something we don't know.

English. Evidently it escapes you that it is both a people AND a language... because that ain't either. Please restate and I will do my best to address it.

You poor fool you're projecting again ... can't challenge Gage's presentation so you try to trash me ... not going to work though ... the longer you delay the more you look.

Again, you are incorrect. I adore the fact that you are willing, at least, to accept that you misused a term. The journey of 1000 miles begins with that first step.

Yeah ... we heard the I'm incorrect before ... try backing it with some facts, but we all know why you can't ... and I'm the first to admitted I'm wrong ... something you bushwhacked are incabable of.

No... there is no "secure" airspace outside of "restricted" in the United States.

If a plane goes off it's flight path especially around the pentagon some shit is going down... it happen before and after 911. There are defense in place ...

I cannot prove a negative. The onus of proof is on you to discredit it. I have simply made a statement. Show me, in the entire expance of their history, when a jet has intercepted an airliner in less than 45 minutes.

No ... I asked you to show us your source that no jet has intercepted an airliner in less than 45 min. Don't try to wiggle out of your own post.

Happy to. As I said... I like to go one thing at a time. Is this to be your choice for the first? You have simply to proclaim it... then we can go in turns.

Still waiting for you to dispute Gage's report ... oh yeah .. that's right ... you can't.

I have flown right seat more than you have flown. That I can just about guarantee.

Good for you! Here a cookie for you ... isn't that nice?

Funny how one demonstrates their intellect to you. So be it. I will take Gage's argument as your first... presuming you do not object. Then you will address a single argument of mine. As my math works, I have addressed over a dozen of yours.

Name the dozen.

The 3 of mine you have been proven wrong. As math goes... I am winning so far... but then winning is easy when you do not have to re-invent.

Oh is that so ... and where prey tell was I proven wrong? The only place you are winning is in your bushwhacked mind ... but that's nothing unusal. I find it very amusing that you view youself in such a manner especially since in totally contridicts reality ...

Give my best you your pilot wife.

What did I tell you folks at home ... can't dispute the facts so he make up shit and claims he did ... by stating it's "incorrect" or a "lie" ... wow ... those bushwhack can really debate can't they?
Stay tune ... for another episode of "Making the Bushwhacked Look Stupid