400 watt 2 liter Hempy SOG

Xare

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Iam working with an Indica variety from seed I made last season.

Clones were taken from a few of my mothers and rooted via bubbecloner.




Then transplanted into 2 Liter Hempy buckets: 25% verm / 75% perlite




To get 25 Hempy's under my 400 watt HPS




Triggering flower with 12/12 when the clones reached 5-7 inches.


Day 23 of Flowering...























Ive trimmed the bottom 1/3rd or so of these plants twice now. On the First and the Third week of flower.

The canopy looks a bit uneven because I moved them before the pics. I put the small ones in the middle to get the most light. I have a few that are smaller then the others because I think I trimmed them too much in the first week. But the rest are all about 16-18 inches tall now.

Besides the first few weeks, when I was using diluted nutes. Ive been running with a 5 micro / 10 bloom lucas formula. Ive read that a 400 watt HPS light does not need full 8/16 lucas. And they seem to like how ive been feeding them. So iam gonna keep it at this ratio till the plants tell me different.

I use GH Hardwater Micro and my well water which is very hard and Alkaline. After I mix up a batch of nutes I still have to use about 6ml of PH down to get my PH to about 6.0

Right now iam just using a drop tester kit to check the PH and guessing on the PPM...

I water every other day with 1 cup of nutes per hempy bucket. That works out to 1 and 3/4 of a gallon of nutes every other day for my 25 plant SOG

The extra 1/4 gallon I spray on the tops of the buckets on the off water days. I use a 2 gallon pressure sprayer to mix my nutes in. But when I water I use the sprayer to fill up a bucket and I measure out 1 cup per plant and just pour it in.

The plants do drink up all the nutes very fast. I tried going as far as two days between waterings but the plants did not like that.

The 2 liter hempy buckets have a 1/2 inch hole up about 2 inches from the ground level. I covered the hole with some burlap, and this was not a good idea because it seems to allow mold to grow. So next time iam gonna use screen or just put small holes in the side instead of a big one.

The Strain should be an early finisher, iam gonna guess around 60 days. It has some Kush - Indica traits like Pointy water leafs instead of round ones. And a very spicy flavor.

Iam worried that alot of my light is being blocked by the heavy leafage. The space is cramped with the 25 clones and some of the bud sites are blocked.

Maybe next time I should run with just 16 clones, 4 rows of 4 instead of 5 rows of 5.

The yield will tell me what I need to do :weed:
 

bigbrew

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subscribed.

Im starting to flower under a 400 watt hps, a 3'x5' area and starting a sog 4 stage setup (6 clones each on a two week cycle, 24 total) Ive also got 5 cfl's for side lighting.

Im new to cloning, and have my first batch in the aerogarden with airstones.

Do you mind if I ask what your method of cloning is, time taken to root, and % that root? Im new to it so any lessons learned are appreciated.

Oh yeah im going dwc, the 4 containers are 10 gallons each. the mother is in soil and a second mother to join her soon.
Thanks

Also, what do you expect to yeild from your 25?

Do you reccomend I reconsider reducing to 5 clones per stage ttotalling 20?

Props for trying that many under a 400 watt.



Iam working with an Indica variety from seed I made last season.

Clones were taken from a few of my mothers and rooted via bubbecloner.




Then transplanted into 2 Liter Hempy buckets: 25% verm / 75% perlite




To get 25 Hempy's under my 400 watt HPS




Triggering flower with 12/12 when the clones reached 5-7 inches.


Day 23 of Flowering...























Ive trimmed the bottom 1/3rd or so of these plants twice now. On the First and the Third week of flower.

The canopy looks a bit uneven because I moved them before the pics. I put the small ones in the middle to get the most light. I have a few that are smaller then the others because I think I trimmed them too much in the first week. But the rest are all about 16-18 inches tall now.

Besides the first few weeks, when I was using diluted nutes. Ive been running with a 5 micro / 10 bloom lucas formula. Ive read that a 400 watt HPS light does not need full 8/16 lucas. And they seem to like how ive been feeding them. So iam gonna keep it at this ratio till the plants tell me different.

I use GH Hardwater Micro and my well water which is very hard and Alkaline. After I mix up a batch of nutes I still have to use about 6ml of PH down to get my PH to about 6.0

Right now iam just using a drop tester kit to check the PH and guessing on the PPM...

I water every other day with 1 cup of nutes per hempy bucket. That works out to 1 and 3/4 of a gallon of nutes every other day for my 25 plant SOG

The extra 1/4 gallon I spray on the tops of the buckets on the off water days. I use a 2 gallon pressure sprayer to mix my nutes in. But when I water I use the sprayer to fill up a bucket and I measure out 1 cup per plant and just pour it in.

The plants do drink up all the nutes very fast. I tried going as far as two days between waterings but the plants did not like that.

The 2 liter hempy buckets have a 1/2 inch hole up about 2 inches from the ground level. I covered the hole with some burlap, and this was not a good idea because it seems to allow mold to grow. So next time iam gonna use screen or just put small holes in the side instead of a big one.

The Strain should be an early finisher, iam gonna guess around 60 days. It has some Kush - Indica traits like Pointy water leafs instead of round ones. And a very spicy flavor.

Iam worried that alot of my light is being blocked by the heavy leafage. The space in cramped with the 25 clones and some of the bud sites are blocked.

Maybe next time I should run with just 16 clones, 4 rows of 4 instead of 5 rows of 5.

The yield will tell me what I need to do :weed:
 

Xare

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Here is my Cloner thread:

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/196684-my-homemade-bubble-cloner.html

I ended up with ~ 95% root rate with that bubble cloner. One died from drying out. The stem was not in the water. I was really happy with the bubble cloner and I plan on using it again.

In two weeks or so iam going to take some more clones from my mothers to get them ready for the next rotation. I am gonna give the plants 2 weeks in the bubble cloner and a week or so in the veg room once transplanted.

This is my first time running Hydro Hempy so I dont know what to expect from the yield. I hope for 15-20 grams per clone.

Hopefully they are not too crowded /w 25 clones under the light. I dont think I will get much more Stretch / leaf growth...
 

Xare

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Yesterday I noticed a bit of curling to my leafs, and today I think I see some more signs of too much nutes.

So I watered with only water today PH'ed at 6.5

Then I tested a bit of the run off and it had a PH of about 6.0

So far this grow ive only watered with water only (no nutes) twice.

But I think I should work a no nute watering into my feeding Schedule.

Maybe I will try this from now on: Feed - Feed - Water only - Feed - Feed - Water only...ect
 

Xare

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My Hempy's have gotten a nice flush and tomorrow they are back on the juice.

Mold is one of my big fears, last year I lost some of my outdoor crop to it. Several days of rain from hurricane Ike :-|

So, I am gonna spray down my buds with some Greencure. A step for Prevention.
 

bigbrew

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Looking real nice. Ive got four clones rooting in an aerogarden and 2 have bumps. Is it normal to see some brown bumps as well as white ones?
 

Xare

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I am still trying to dial in the right amount of nutes for this test Hempy SOG.

The plants are still showing slight signs of too much fertilizer - dark green leafs and a bit of a downward curl.

After a bit of reading about Lucas Formula and re-reading the hempy collective thread I think I found my mistake.


Its suggested to Water - Water - Feed - Water - Water - Feed

Not Feed - Feed - Water :shock:


The PPM of the 5-10 lucas formula is about 840 /w a .7 conversion meter

So feeding 3 times a week is a bit hot - about 2500 PPM

You can start seeing problems at 2100

Its recommended to keep the PPM of the rez within 1100-1400

I dont have a meter yet so I still have to guess at this. But iam pretty sure the PPM in my rez has been high.

I could feed with 8-16 lucas formula for about 1400 PPM once a week. And do the water, water, feed thing...

Or feed with 5-10 twice a week, each time they get about 840 PPM

That would mean: feed - water - feed - water ( I skip a day between each water or feeding )

Plants do eat some of the nutes over time. Durning a week maybe 500 PPM or so.

So if i feed with ~ 1700 PPM of nutes a week with two feedings @840 PPM and the plants eat 500 PPM that gets me a rez reading near 1200.



extra note: Ive added just over an ounce to my water per plant, instead of 8 oz per bucket iam 9.3 or so

I now use all those 2 gallons I mix each watering. Very little runoff.
 

Xare

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Thanks guys,

I am gonna be setting up my bubble cloner and taking cuttings for the next batch tonight.

Taking about 40 cuttings. That covers my needs for 25 SOG plants and I am gonna setup 10 mother plants to run in my veg area in hempy.
 
Thanks guys,

I am gonna be setting up my bubble cloner and taking cuttings for the next batch tonight.

Taking about 40 cuttings. That covers my needs for 25 SOG plants and I am gonna setup 10 mother plants to run in my veg area in hempy.[/QU

what was your yield per plant?
2-400 watt hps vertical,here,and want to flower in 1 gallon hempys. Wonder woman clones at 10" tall. 1 gallon should be fine i'm assuming.
 

Xare

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This is my first run in hempy and with this light so I dunno what yield will be yet.

Another 3 weeks to go.
 

Xare

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I tried the buckets a couple of ways. A single big hole for draining or a bunch of smaller holes.

I think I like the latter best.


A bit of green algae was growing near the bottom of the two liter because light could penetrate through.

So for the next batch ive spray painted the bottom of the bucket black.

I made the holes with a heated steel rod. And I cut the top of the 2 liter off.




It was nice to see what the rez was doing for this first batch, but ive got the watering schedule figured out now.
 

Xare

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I took cuttings and put them in my bubble cloner for the next batch.

These came from my mothers that are outside for my Guerrilla Grow. I gave them 5 hours of dark after cutting to avoid any stress.

So far they have not needed any misting at all. Bubble Cloning is totally hands free. I love it.






Bud growth has been noticeable from day to day, here we are on day 35 of Flowering:







 

Xare

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Today I took the plants out from under the light to give them another application of Greencure.

And while they were out gave them a heavy watering / flush.
 
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