Advanced Nutrients Rhinoskin - Anybody used it?

imanoob

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A.N. Rhino Skin is the replacement product for barricade. It has a fantastic Potassium Silicate content. 0-0-13. This is a very in expensive additive which increases plant cell wall size and helps plants deal with stress.

What do we mean by stress? Well it is pretty simple, if plants are over exposed to heat, experienced draught or had to deal with a pest infestation, these various types of stress can really affect a plant's health. But with stronger cell walls, the plant can survive such stressful senarios.

Use in the vegetative state but cut out 2 to 3 weeks prior to harvest.

This is part of Advanced's new line of nutrients where ph does not need to be adjusted.


I have a prob with my room..the temp is very difficult to into the 70s..its usually between 80-90.

I watched a video on youtube talking about heat in rooms and the guy mentions this from AN.

Anybody used it before?

Im waiting on my hydrometer/turbo yeast so I can make co2...Im sure I read on RIU that the plants take in more co2 when the temp is in the 80s (i think 82 is optimum)
 

imanoob

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It isnt available locally... would be intresed to hear what you guys think about it before I purchase it online...dont want it to be a waste of $.

I like the idea that the "Potassium Silicate" helps with heat problems (or so they say)
 

smellychronic

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I use pro-tekt by dynagro. it's basically the same thing, just cheaper. really dense stems. I don't have the support my budding plant any longer. Helps with drought and heat stress also. I have had no issues with this, does make the PH level rise considarably.
 

nellyatcha

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A.N. Rhino Skin is the replacement product for barricade. It has a fantastic Potassium Silicate content. 0-0-13. This is a very in expensive additive which increases plant cell wall size and helps plants deal with stress.

What do we mean by stress? Well it is pretty simple, if plants are over exposed to heat, experienced draught or had to deal with a pest infestation, these various types of stress can really affect a plant's health. But with stronger cell walls, the plant can survive such stressful senarios.

Use in the vegetative state but cut out 2 to 3 weeks prior to harvest.

This is part of Advanced's new line of nutrients where ph does not need to be adjusted.

I have a prob with my room..the temp is very difficult to into the 70s..its usually between 80-90.

I watched a video on youtube talking about heat in rooms and the guy mentions this from AN.

Anybody used it before?

Im waiting on my hydrometer/turbo yeast so I can make co2...Im sure I read on RIU that the plants take in more co2 when the temp is in the 80s (i think 82 is optimum)

i never used that kinda, but im using some that my nutes are at 9-68-54 for flowering so im not sure about that stuff and im a soil grower so i dont have to worry about all the harsh stuff with hydro so im not sure
 

imanoob

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i see dynagro's pro-tekt has a silicon and potassium (concentrated)...sounds like the same thing! do you have high temps in your room or is it just for making your plants stronger?

i might buy either one of these...thanks for your input!
 

imanoob

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i never used that kinda, but im using some that my nutes are at 9-68-54 for flowering so im not sure about that stuff and im a soil grower so i dont have to worry about all the harsh stuff with hydro so im not sure
Im using canna terra flora...i had a look on the bottle but cant tell if it contains any Silicate/silicon...or whatever it is haha

quoting a riu user called knowboddy

Silica is what plants use to reinforce their physical structures so providing ample sources of silica make it easier for the plant to thicken and strengthen stems.

I see it makes the stems etc stronger...but how does it use this to protect itself from heat?
 

imanoob

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i was getting my hopes up there...cant find any ukshop that stocks/sells it. Its not on ebayuk and all the usa stores dont ship to the uk.

bitchin
 

imanoob

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Still no joy, but i have found a few alternatives...

Like smellychronic said on the first page,

Dyna Gro - Pro-teKt (found at amazon.com)
Botanicare Silica Blast
Liquid Silicon - Silicon Safefty (found at Growell & greenshorticulture)
Plant Magic BioSilicon (found at greenshorticulture)
or the DIY alt...Horsetail tea

From what i can gather, AN Barricade/Rhinoskin is the strongest...others i think may be watered down. But I suppose something is better than nothing!

The Silica seems to make stronger harder plants. If used through out its life, by the time flowering comes along it should bring bigger badder buds.
From what I have been reading, it helps distrubutes water throughout the plant better...

Si helps plants strengthen their cell walls against heat and cold stress, the resulting water loss, and damage from pests and pathogens...



A little bit off topic, but I found this guys alternatives to Advanced Nutrients (product by product)...quite good!
http://www.buddwise.com/archive/index.php/t-200.html
 
Rhino skin is only good because it's so weak it doesn't really up the pH like any other silica will. Rhino skin is so overpriced at only 1% silica though... Def suggest the dynagro stuff at over ten times the strength.
 

Cletus clem

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Rhino skin is only good because it's so weak it doesn't really up the pH like any other silica will. Rhino skin is so overpriced at only 1% silica though... Def suggest the dynagro stuff at over ten times the strength.
I betcha they figured it out by now. Or gave up. This thread is 8 yrs old!
 

Dr. Who

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Not many bring up the fact that if you grow in soil.
The plant gets all it can use, from the soil....

Not a "bad" idea for hydro but, not required either.

Been a lot of old dead threads getting new life lately. Might as well simply give real info. Not like newbies are gunna stop resurrecting the dead.....

As far as Rhino skin goes. It's just a not needed supplement from the money grubbbing Monsatan of nutrient makers. Designed and marketed to line their pockets!
 

SchmoeJoe

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Not many bring up the fact that if you grow in soil.
The plant gets all it can use, from the soil....

Not a "bad" idea for hydro but, not required either.

Been a lot of old dead threads getting new life lately. Might as well simply give real info. Not like newbies are gunna stop resurrecting the dead.....

As far as Rhino skin goes. It's just a not needed supplement from the money grubbbing Monsatan of nutrient makers. Designed and marketed to line their pockets!
I grow in soil and when I started using a liquid SI supplement I saw a very obvious affect. That's even on top of the dry organic amendment mix I add to the soil that already has New Jersey Greensand.
 

Dr. Who

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I grow in soil and when I started using a liquid SI supplement I saw a very obvious affect. That's even on top of the dry organic amendment mix I add to the soil that already has New Jersey Greensand.
So, Just what was that "vary obvious" then? How about you take a minute and look up some information about what I said...... Maybe I should have said something like, "plants will get all the silica it can need from soil....

The bulk of what you read by goggling on the first several pages of that search. Are simply expounded claims by nutrient makers.
Si does good things for all plants. That's not BS but, nutrient makers over blow the actual results. In my organic farming, we do add some silica in spring by organic methods - ONCE. The continual use of any Si supplement will not increase the benefits in any way worth the cost of application.
Why?
Si use does increase the ability of the plant to withstand temp extreme's and drought. Do you have drought or temp extreme's in your grow room?

Si use can/does increase cell wall structure. This provides some very small increased resistance to bug and pathogen attacks. True but, you can still get these problems anyway! As far as bug's go, the biggest effect is on those that actually EAT the plant. The amount of resistance to sucking insects is not increased buy any amount that would include it's use as a resistance factor!

Si use increases the ability of the plant to hold up the branching of fruiting plants, to the weight of the fruit. I find this as one of the most dubious claims made by nutrient makers! Look at it like this. The fruits cell walls are being increased too. The factor is small but, at the same rate as the rest of the plant. Results are going to be the same - You have to support the plant at the same rate as not using Si!

There are other benefits of Si in proper concentrations in the plant. Like it's ability to help regulate P uptake. True but, that is not increased by continual use of supplementing Si, over an initial use, generally in young plants. These "proper concentrations" are supplied by well amended soils or single use Si amended fertilizers - "When soil conditions indicate supplementation."

Lastly; If your doing advanced amending of some select micro nutrients for attempting to increase the THC or CBD production of cannabis. It (Si) should be a part of that concoction to help buffer the possible chance of Fe imbalance or over use, and the effective combination of Mn and Fe to the desired effect. This is part of what could be considered advanced agronomy in attempting specific cannabinoid/terpenoid manipulation. You practice that? Some here do.....Read up on Mel Frank's books on that. He listed a formula that does that. What he didn't know then, was that his formula did more for increasing CBD then THC...


Greensand isn't even available for a long, long time sport......Slow, slow release. Your not getting any real benefit in the first grow, for the most part. The use of greensand is best done by those organic growers, practicing "No till" methods! Unless you grow organic and use no-till methods (or reuse/re-amend soil). Greensand use is not recommended!

Lastly:
If you have properly built or amended soils...You do not need to supplement Si to gain anything in a properly maintained indoor soil grow. For outdoors, the same holds true by preseason amendment!

If your amending Si with K silicate.....The likely "change" you see in your plant is from the increase in K.....MOST ALL BOTTLED Si supplements are potassium silicate based.... The action of the living soil is what breaks that down to the plant available silicic acid. That is what the plant actually up-takes through the roots and into the plant. So, if your doing heavy synthetic fertilization/feeding of your plants.....The ability of the soil to process Si into silicic acid is reduced.....

Leaf cells are best supplemented by FOLIAR applications of a Si....

I believe that confirmation bias is a lot of what your seeing in your plant, or effects from K silicate use.

I would agree it's not needed if you don't care about weight but if you do then it will add some water weight as well as cell wall weight
This idea is so wrong on several levels!

What increase is given, is not a cost effective, if not a shady reason to use Si in growing MJ.

BTW, even High Times states, and I quote exactly: "One thing to stress here is that silicon will not likely give a cannabis grower an increase in yield in plants that already grow in pristine conditions. Silicon supplementation may increase plant resistance to disease, fungus, insects and extreme environmental conditions. Increased resistance to stress will certainly help sick plants in a way that makes them yield more, but already healthy plants without silicon will not be too noticeably different from plants with silicon."

I'll say it again. Use of Si hydro applications can be a good idea. It's not needed in soil growing!
 
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SchmoeJoe

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So, Just what was that "vary obvious" then? How about you take a minute and look up some information about what I said...... Maybe I should have said something like, "plants will get all the silica it can need from soil....

The bulk of what you read by goggling on the first several pages of that search. Are simply expounded claims by nutrient makers.
Si does good things for all plants. That's not BS but, nutrient makers over blow the actual results. In my organic farming, we do add some silica in spring by organic methods - ONCE. The continual use of any Si supplement will not increase the benefits in any way worth the cost of application.
Why?
Si use does increase the ability of the plant to withstand temp extreme's and drought. Do you have drought or temp extreme's in your grow room?

Si use can/does increase cell wall structure. This provides some very small increased resistance to bug and pathogen attacks. True but, you can still get these problems anyway! As far as bug's go, the biggest effect is on those that actually EAT the plant. The amount of resistance to sucking insects is not increased buy any amount that would include it's use as a resistance factor!

Si use increases the ability of the plant to hold up the branching of fruiting plants, to the weight of the fruit. I find this as one of the most dubious claims made by nutrient makers! Look at it like this. The fruits cell walls are being increased too. The factor is small but, at the same rate as the rest of the plant. Results are going to be the same - You have to support the plant at the same rate as not using Si!

There are other benefits of Si in proper concentrations in the plant. Like it's ability to help regulate P uptake. True but, that is not increased by continual use of supplementing Si, over an initial use, generally in young plants. These "proper concentrations" are supplied by well amended soils or single use Si amended fertilizers - "When soil conditions indicate supplementation."

Lastly; If your doing advanced amending of some select micro nutrients for attempting to increase the THC or CBD production of cannabis. It (Si) should be a part of that concoction to help buffer the possible chance of Fe imbalance or over use, and the effective combination of Mn and Fe to the desired effect. This is part of what could be considered advanced agronomy in attempting specific cannabinoid/terpenoid manipulation. You practice that? Some here do.....Read up on Mel Frank's books on that. He listed a formula that does that. What he didn't know then, was that his formula did more for increasing CBD then THC...


Greensand isn't even available for a long, long time sport......Slow, slow release. Your not getting any real benefit in the first grow, for the most part. The use of greensand is best done by those organic growers, practicing "No till" methods! Unless you grow organic and use no-till methods (or reuse/re-amend soil). Greensand use is not recommended!

Lastly:
If you have properly built or amended soils...You do not need to supplement Si to gain anything in a properly maintained indoor soil grow. For outdoors, the same holds true by preseason amendment!

If your amending Si with K silicate.....The likely "change" you see in your plant is from the increase in K.....MOST ALL BOTTLED Si supplements are potassium silicate based.... The action of the living soil is what breaks that down to the plant available silicic acid. That is what the plant actually up-takes through the roots and into the plant. So, if your doing heavy synthetic fertilization/feeding of your plants.....The ability of the soil to process Si into silicic acid is reduced.....

Leaf cells are best supplemented by FOLIAR applications of a Si....

I believe that confirmation bias is a lot of what your seeing in your plant, or effects from K silicate use.



This idea is so wrong on several levels!

What increase is given, is not a cost effective, if not a shady reason to use Si in growing MJ.

BTW, even High Times states, and I quote exactly: "One thing to stress here is that silicon will not likely give a cannabis grower an increase in yield in plants that already grow in pristine conditions. Silicon supplementation may increase plant resistance to disease, fungus, insects and extreme environmental conditions. Increased resistance to stress will certainly help sick plants in a way that makes them yield more, but already healthy plants without silicon will not be too noticeably different from plants with silicon."

I'll say it again. Use of Si hydro applications can be a good idea. It's not needed in soil growing!
No confirmation bias here. In fact, when I first started using a silica supplement, I had friends who were only partly joking about how when they got weed from me it should be increased by a ratio to account for the difference in weight from the silica.

While my overall weight increased significantly most strains were also more capable of supporting the weight too. Just because the stalks and flowers may be incorporating the extra silica at the same rate doesn't mean that the increase of weight in the buds and strength in the stalks would remain at the same ratio. To say that it would is a ridiculous assumption.

As far as claiming that the added weight is not cost effective is ridiculous. That would only be the case in an actual hydroponic scenario where you couldn't rely on soil bacteria to make the si available and so had to use the already plant available silicic acid which is insanely expensive. As far as the extra weight being "shady" I think everyone who thinks it through understands that light and fluffy buds burn up fast giving you fewer hits and less of a high and heavier denser buds burn much longer giving more hits. The extra mass from the si weight will actually make the pot burn longer and slower making for more hits. Nothing shady about that.
 
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