new grow room 250w or 400w hps?

[GypsyBush]

How serious are you about doing this right?

 

[ForcedInduction]

i'm 100 percent serious about doing it right, i hate jerry rigging shit.
i just don't have much $$$

 

[GypsyBush]

Well...

There are 2 school of thoughts on "budget grows"

1 says that you should use the cheapest materials available...

I believe that is the option for the kids...


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My take on a budget grow is that the grower is tight for money...

None of us do this for the growing... we do it for the buds...

So I believe in having patience and building the "perfect set-up" the very first time...

The "perfect set-up" will cost a lot more that the "cheapest set-up"..

But it will put out MORE, BETTER buds...

A "budget grower" should be concerned with one thing... and one thing only...

HOW MANY WATTS (DOLLAR$) WILL YOU BURN FOR EACH GRAM OF SMOKE-ABLE BUD???

We call that Grams per Watt... or G/W...

A "cheapest grow" may do good and achieve 0.2~0.4 G/W... IF all goes well...

A "perfect set-up" is capable of giving you 1 g/w... the very first time around...

So while while it is not the cheapest to put together... the "perfect set-up" will prove more economical EVERY TIME...

At EVERY HARVEST the op will pay for the equipment over and over and over again...

With a 400w HPS.. pretty much ANY smoker will never have to buy bud again...

And still have some for the edibles... the hash... the closest friends... etc...

But as you can see...

It will require lots of time .. and some pretty big decisions...


and I should warn you.... I can be very .. short sometimes.... I deal with some pretty fucked up pain .. so some days I get real cranky.. but I never mean any disrespect...

I just get VERY to the point... and I do not send flowers with it...

If you can deal with my weirdness... You can have a kick ass grow in less time than you imagine...

 

[GypsyBush]

This is the tent I built...

600 HPS...

20"x36"x54"...

Cost me ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS.. and I had change for an ice cream...

but you already have some things...

Don't get scared...

It sounds like a big number...

But you do not have to spend it all at once...

Check...

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/122687-gypsys-600-watt-home-made.html

 

[GypsyBush]

Am I moving too fast???

Are you familiar with ebb/flow?

 

[GypsyBush]

Something else to keep in mind when deciding HOW you will grow...

This is a PROVEN recipe... anyone can duplicate it... in any scale... from 4 to 400 thousand plants...

Check...

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html

 

[GypsyBush]

Here is a DIY Ebb/Flow from the GrowFAQ

https://www.rollitup.org/view.php?pg=faq&cmd=article&id=466

How do I make an ebb & flow
hydroponic system?





The goal: To demonstrate the construction of an Ebb & Flow hydroponic system.

The system being constructed is small, however the design is the same as larger systems.

Parts list...

• Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 4 1/2", flood tray.
  
• Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 7", reservoir.
  
• Reservoir lid, 15 3/4" x 22".
  
• Overflow fitting.
  
• Fill/drain fitting.
  
• Water pump, 70 gph.
  
• Tubing, 1/2" ID.
  
• Aquarium air pump.
  
• Air stones.
  
• Green air line.
  
  Notice, in the pictures above, the one inch holes, in the flood tray for the overflow, and fill/drain fittings, also, the two inch holes in the lid, for the fittings to pass through.
  
  
  

  
  
  A view of the plumbed flood tray with lid. See how it fits over the fittings.​
  
  

  
  
  This is a view of the reservoir with lid, and plumbed flood tray.
  
  

  
  
  Here, it's all assembled. The water and air pumps are not shown. The power cord, and air lines fit between, the reservoir and lid. A small notch may need to be added, to avoid pinching the air lines, and to help the flood tray sit level.
  
  
  

  
  
  Assembled with six 5 1/2" square pots. Notice the easy access to both fittings. The fill/drain fitting has a connector for a 1/2" hose, under the screen. Remove the screen, connect the hose, turn the pump on, and pump out the nutrient solution. Makes reservoir change outs very easy.
  
  
  

  
  
  Another view of the system.
  
  

  
  
  Note: Choosing a container...
  
  Not all containers are made equal. Some are very sturdy, while others are not. Using a weak container will only lead to failure and a flood. Choose heavy duty containers. Also, some containers will need a center support to keep them level under the weight of the nutrient solution.
  
  Note: About sizes...
  
  The reservoir should be large enough, to hold two, to three times the volume of the flood tray or table. The pump should be sized to flood the tray in 5 min. or less.

 

[GypsyBush]

OK... now I KNOW I am moving too fast...

Hit me back when you catch up...

and feel free to hit up journal... link is in the sig... pictures start on page 9... lots of them...

 

[ForcedInduction]

well i am definitely looking for the perfect setup, and i think i have a lot of what i need. i want to get as much as possible out of the space i have. i think the 400w with the cool tube will be perfect. hopefully. i have lots of time to care for them, they're right next to my bed
i am doing this mostly for a medical grow, but i lovee smoking it as well
sweet tent, i bet you got some nice ass bud outa there. i want a tent but i have no where to put it, this is all i have right now.
heh i'm very familear with the ebb and flow, i want to get my light situation 100% before i start messing with anything other than soil.

 

[ForcedInduction]

heh i'm trying to smoke a bowl and type at the same time..

 

[ForcedInduction]

i also have like 5 clones in my veg room ( aka my old grow room ) which are going to hopefully take root in the next few days. hopefully

also i have another female outside in a big pot. i am hoping to turn that one into a tree

 

[GypsyBush]

heh i'm trying to smoke a bowl and type at the same time..

Well.. I can assure you.. and can actually point you to many growers here that made the switch to hydro with ZERO regrets...

I know nothing of soil...

But I can tell you that if you follow a recipe... it's like baking a cake...

Just like baking a cake...

We grow scientifically...

No guessing... everything by the numbers...

Guaranteed success the very first time... IF YOU FOLLOW THE RECIPE...

There are dozens of us Fuctheads here on RIU...

It's easy... and it is the most economical way to grow..

You will ring every bit of efficiency out of your set up...

I have seen as high as 1.8 g/w on my op... once.. but I did it..

 

[GypsyBush]

i also have like 5 clones in my veg room ( aka my old grow room ) which are going to hopefully take root in the next few days. hopefully

also i have another female outside in a big pot. i am hoping to turn that one into a tree

Trees require space and light.. lots.. here are my 3 "Sativica" trees... under 1200W...

 

[GypsyBush]

oh wait...

you meant outdoors didn;t you...

 

[ForcedInduction]

i'm planning on switching to hydro as soon as my lights are set up and working for a little while. i have a lot of the things i need for it but am still going to have to order net pots and a growing medium. also nutes. i've only been using shultz 10-15-10 and bone meal. which seems to be working fine

 

[ForcedInduction]

haha thats crazy. i can't wait to have the room to grow big

 

[westchef]

Hey my friend I'm new here..so what do you do run air at the cooltube 24-7...I've been looking at this light and was wondering how many plants it coulc cover..

Let's say I do auto-flowering from seeds..

Maybe 8, or so

 

[GypsyBush]

I keep myself and a few other families supplied with 4x 600HPS...

We're all medical users too...

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What is the ambient temperature of thye area where the grow is going to be...?

Is it a closet?

Have you planned ventilation?

This is how an op should be set up .. IDEALLY... there a few "approved" variations.. but this is the best...

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[westchef]

I like HTG... especially their Digis.. I have 2x 600W digi from them...

This one is $231.95 WITH the cool tube...

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48943

This one is $189.95 WITH the cool tube...

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47929

And you can always go cheapo and DIY...

$54.95 for the ballast and socket...

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=45693

you would need to get the cooltube separate... $85.95

You do not need a 4" cooltube...

Just use 6" duct with adapters at the fan...

A 6" tube is really what you need...

Remember what you said about updating...

Everytime you buy something.. make sure it is the last you buy..

Buy the right shit the first time and be done...

Al the stuff I used in my tent is in full use today in my op many times bigger...

I hate waste.. and crap laying around...

Do it right ... do it once... and enjoy...

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Hey my friend I'm new here..so what do you do run air at the cooltube 24-7...I've been looking at this light and was wondering how many plants it coulc cover..

Let's say I do auto-flowering from seeds..

Maybe 8, or so

 

[ForcedInduction]

it sometimes gets up in the 90s but rarely. summers almost over.
yes its a closet.
have you looked at the pictures? i have two 4 inch tubes running in and out of the closet

i have no need for a carbon filter, i'm not worried about the smell