bubbleponics superior to aeroponics

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moash, I think you already have the picture that if you want to get into pumps and tubes you may as well go all the way and do an aero system. I think you are correct. I've decided against that for now because frankly, I don't sell it, don't want to sell it, and just don't have a need for a larger operation. I still use the tote from my Stealth Hydro kit and that's all. No, I use the two reflectors too. My next grow I am going to a larger tote doing five plants (my OG Kush seeds came yesterday!).

My personal conclusion is that "bubbleponics" is nothing but feeder tubes added to a classic DWC and given a catchy name. It is in fact less bubbleponics than the DWC because it doesn't rely on the bubbles but instead on the tubes. I guess tube-ponics didn't have the same ring though. So the question is - do the pumps and tubes really get seedlings further advanced in the time before their roots hit water? In my opinion, no. In my current grow my roots were in water on day 6. This was with the SH tote and 6 gal water. I don't think they are beating that but if they are it still isn't worth the pump and tubes for another day.

It seems to me as new growers grope their way through all the "systems" and hype, they go one of two ways: either they stick with simple DWC (the real way to put the bubbles in the ponics) or they move to ebb and flow or aero. Both of those are good options I suppose if you want to to scale up and do large grows. I'll be looking forward to seeing what you decide, good luck!
 
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anybody ever run the bubbleponics without the airstones? that seems like the ultimate goal, i believe water falling atleast 8in should cause enough aeration in the water, then all you have is a pump and lines that wont clog, problem free.
 
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moash, I think you already have the picture that if you want to get into pumps and tubes you may as well go all the way and do an aero system. I think you are correct. I've decided against that for now because frankly, I don't sell it, don't want to sell it, and just don't have a need for a larger operation. I still use the tote from my Stealth Hydro kit and that's all. No, I use the two reflectors too. My next grow I am going to a larger tote doing five plants (my OG Kush seeds came yesterday!).

My personal conclusion is that "bubbleponics" is nothing but feeder tubes added to a classic DWC and given a catchy name. It is in fact less bubbleponics than the DWC because it doesn't rely on the bubbles but instead on the tubes. I guess tube-ponics didn't have the same ring though. So the question is - do the pumps and tubes really get seedlings further advanced in the time before their roots hit water? In my opinion, no. In my current grow my roots were in water on day 6. This was with the SH tote and 6 gal water. I don't think they are beating that but if they are it still isn't worth the pump and tubes for another day.

It seems to me as new growers grope their way through all the "systems" and hype, they go one of two ways: either they stick with simple DWC (the real way to put the bubbles in the ponics) or they move to ebb and flow or aero. Both of those are good options I suppose if you want to to scale up and do large grows. I'll be looking forward to seeing what you decide, good luck!
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yup..you got it right..feeder tubes,pumps and irrigation hub and airstone..I have grown aero and BP and to tell you the truth.....NO system is worth a fuck if the grower aint got it yet.Whats with the Lose the tubes? Man you would have no idea about that if i wouldnt have brought it up.Simple man,by the time they get clogged,(if they do)IF THEY DO..then we take em out..but to skip all that ,as soon as the roots touch water,tubes commin out,that simple.How easy do you want it?Ill tell you from experience it doesnt get any simpler than a BP.
 
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All in all...heres a lil secret..ITS THE GROWER..NOT THE SYSTEM that yields heavy.You can have the best system but if you never grown a plant you will kill em.
Theres no areo vs. BP...its grower vs. grower.
 
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purpdaddy said:
All in all...heres a lil secret..ITS THE GROWER..NOT THE SYSTEM that yields heavy.You can have the best system but if you never grown a plant you will kill em.
Theres no areo vs. BP...its grower vs. grower.
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An absolute fact! Most of the hype about this new system or these new nutes are just marketing ploys to get us to buy something new. I've often compared it to bunch of mediocre golfers arguing about which new high tech titanium putter is better.
 
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An absolute fact! Most of the hype about this new system or these new nutes are just marketing ploys to get us to buy something new. I've often compared it to bunch of mediocre golfers arguing about which new high tech titanium putter is better.
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i use nothing but callaway fusion and the hybrids!LOL
 
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purpdaddy said:
All in all...heres a lil secret..ITS THE GROWER..NOT THE SYSTEM that yields heavy.You can have the best system but if you never grown a plant you will kill em.
Theres no areo vs. BP...its grower vs. grower.
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i agree....but if u use that system correctly then.....what better yeilds?
 
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Perfection is when the only limiting factor is the genetics of the seed. The grower does everything just right and the system does its job. Where systems probably matter more is for very large grows and there it is because of time and labor efficiency more than because one system is going to make the plants grow better than another.
 
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Perfection is when the only limiting factor is the genetics of the seed. The grower does everything just right and the system does its job. Where systems probably matter more is for very large grows and there it is because of time and labor efficiency more than because one system is going to make the plants grow better than another.
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which is y ebb/flow is more commonly used????
 
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moash said:
which is y ebb/flow is more commonly used????
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No ebb and flow is not most commonly used and requires more upkeep that DWC.You can have the best system out there and be so new you cant even get your ph correct and kill the plants.It WILL happen.Know before you grow.
 
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Regardless of how good the grower or strain is there are still systems that produce faster than others, if you use the same grower with 2 different systems, you will get 2 different results.
 
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smppro said:
Regardless of how good the grower or strain is there are still systems that produce faster than others, if you use the same grower with 2 different systems, you will get 2 different results.
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Who in the hell told u that?Have u ever grown a plant?Its all about the technique that grower goes about using that yeilds heavier..NOT THE SYSTEM!
 
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ebb/flow is the easiest and more productive then anything ive seen. Depends on your style though if you want big plants ebb/flow isnt better DRIP or hempy methods all of these methods can be ran on a flood table with a res and drain to recirculate. DWC seems way productive but it looks pretty labor intense imma build somthing though to try it out. Havng to mess with the roots freaks me out for some reason.
 
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