1oz+ per plant SoG, doable?

[QuentinQuark]

Hi folks,

What would it take to yield 1oz+ per plant in a zero-veg clone-fed SoG? 4 plants per sq ft.

Clones get a decent set of roots and go directly into the flowering room under 12/12.

So far yields have been kinda dissappointing, but the plants look very healthy so I don't think I'm messing up the growing...

I am looking into different genetics, get a higher yielding strains. But I want to know if there is anything else I can do to achieve this, or am I being unrealistic?

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Got to let the baby grow up to a fine young woman. 3-4 weeks veg would make a huge difference.

 

[cyborg]

quentin, i feel your intentions. im in fact just waiting to get all my equipment so i can clone my four mothers and do a 48 site sog in a 4x4 tent. 600w should give me half a zone each plant. remember that in sog youre planting more plants to make up for veg time. its the same thing but you save weeks of vegging. plus with sog you end up with less production of stems and branches

 

[QuentinQuark]

So 1oz per plant with no veg time and 4 plants per sq ft isn't achievable?

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Depends on the strain. Indica at 4 plants for sq ft has a change of doing that of better. You have to decide it you want to trade zero veg for production. Is this to handle a quick term need or would it be better to veg a bit and get double prodution?

 

[QuentinQuark]

Well I was just thinking that if I want to do perpetual, it would be impossible to do that if I had to veg, because they are all in the same room sharing lights and therefore sharing a lighting schedule.

What is it about vegging that gives a better yield? Better developed roots? More height? Thicker stems? Why does vegging increase yield? It can't be because of more branches/budsites, because all the branches will be trimmed, just growing colas.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Q,

That what you have to decide also. If you are going colas only you will get a bigger cola from a bigger plant with a bigger stem with bigger roots. It's like the difference of the nutes being able to take the interstate or a country road to the budsite. Sometimes when a young plant has in essence a baby it is smaller than if the plant was more mature. The real change in vegging it is to let the plant grow some bud producing branch growth. Some strains are very branchy while others work better as a single cola or some combination of the two.

 

[Treeth]

fuck yeah it is quentin.

aero (high pressure no less,); CO2; a/c; and using over 50-60 watts of light per foot,

that will yield an ounce per cola or better, especially with well endowed genetics.

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No amount of vegging will increase the yield. SOG is the most efficient growing style, absolutely;

And there is no better way to perform a perpetual harvest.

you know how to hit over a gram per watt.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Treeth,

I'd disagree on no amount of vegging affecting the yield. You will have more bud sites if your plant branches heavily and if you fim or top you can get even more. Sog, Scrog, fim, top, supercropping are all just a way to get more bud sites. Certain strains react to different techniques in different ways.

 

[Treeth]

Well of course,
by growing out a plant you can achieve a greater yield, per plant, but not per square foot of used space. My point is, that there will not be an increase in yield under the footprint of your light specifically because it is filled up by one bush instead of lets say four or five cuttings,
3-4 or 5 budsites, and those are main colas i might add...
well, i think, how can you possibly garden your way to optimal spacing, when you can start with it... by starting with cuttings?
I feel that there is no more efficient way to, fill the footprint of your light, than with a tightly spaced surface of all main colas,
The advantage to a tree is lost only because any vegitation under the canopy is useless for budding.
Again, it is fun to try,
however you cannot garden to optimal efficacy under a light like you can when you plan for it.

Especially with anything sativa too.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Yeah sativa is pretty much out of the question with closet growing. I can compensate for some of the underbud by using side lights. Plus the fact that I can turn that underbud to hash and hash oil which is nice to have as a change of pace sometimes. I also BHO the stems for a little sumpin sumpin! Not much but worth a $5 can of butane. LOL! I think Sog would work best with a E&F tray grow packed tight. I'll get to that at some point.

 

[brokeandwise]

First I want to say that I believe it can be done. If I were to try this my method would be as followers:
1.Northern Light strain
2.Clones with only about 1 week veg
3. 10,000 lumen+ per sq. foot ratio
4. Foxfarm or Advanced nutes with around 1400-1600 ppm without burning
5. co2

seemorebuds does just this (except his lumen per sq foot is around 15000) in a 4x6 area with sometimes 300 plants and yields 5+ pounds dried. Thats in just 24 sq. feet. So its very achievable IMHO.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Might be for an experienced grower.

 

[brokeandwise]

I believe so. I think I could do it with ebb and flow or DWC.

 

[siccmademike]

well i got a bubbleponics setup for 4 plants.. and i think 4 plants in about 10sq ft +/- its not that big of area with a 400 watt hps... might go to a 600 or 1000 and gonna be using a LED setup for veg and ill be doing a perpetual grow so they veg for 1 month and flower for 2 months im shooting for an OZ a plant possibly more if i just keep 4 in their. i got an OZ per plant off CFLs, the plants were like 1 sq ft

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Still think you are underestimating yourself! To judge production I always use the gram per watt calculations. If I get .8 to 1.2 I consider it a success. That kind of variance can be strain related.

 

[QuentinQuark]

Am I the only one that finds the "gram(s) per watt" calculation somewhat misleading? It only takes into account one resource (light power) and not any of several other important resources, for example space (square footage) and time.

Wouldn't a more appropriate, and less misleading, measure of efficiency be something like grams / (watts * days * sq.ft.)

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Grams per watt does make some assumptions but when you reach for that target at least you have something to measure against. Grams per watt assumes a greenhouse environment.

 

[fatman7574]

If you calcualted your yield based upon a given space and a given number of kWh used in an indoor situation as described with CO2 4 plats per square foot, high temps ans aeroponics the scrog grow will out do a grow such as the same conditions but with plants at 1 every square foot. While you can increse your veg time and also use more kWh u a you are also decreasing the number of crops over a given period of time. This tends to amke the larger vegged plant production look like more in the short term in a long term of say 6 SOG grows to the 5 (maybe less) longer vegged grows of 1/4 as many plants the SOG will provide a higher yield per kWh for that long term period of time of say one year. SOG's just use the avialable light more efficiently as the PAR is always high both in the vegging and the whole budding area whereas that is not the case with the larger plants as the PAR drops significantly more over their greater heights. Theoretically a given amount of light wattage will provide a greater area the optimal PAR needed on a short SOG grow than it will for a taller plant grow. This maens another added advantage to an SOG as you can get for an example a higher PAR in the whole growing area of a short SOG at 45 to 50 watts per square foot than you can get for an average PAR in the bud growing areas of the taller plants with 60 watts per square foot.

 

[Dystopia]

I'd have to agree with Treeth on this one. In my opinion, in a properly planned grow you veg to fill the canopy with buds. How long you veg depends on how many plants you are growing per square foot for the light(s) you are using.

In a true SOG, 4 plants per sq ft, 1 cola per plant, the canopy will fill with colas even if you go straight to 12/12 so there is really no need to veg in my opinion. And the colas will get as big as the light penetration will support. 1 oz per plant might not be achievable with a 400-watt light, but should be with a 600 or 1000 watt light in proper conditions.