Iran Update...

[CrackerJax]

None of you can face reality. I'm not the one with the problem. You all have been the last hold outs to logical thinking with Iran, not I. You only now admit they are working towards nukes..... behind the curve as usual. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming besides.

 

[PadawanBater]

None of you can face reality. I'm not the one with the problem. You all have been the last hold outs to logical thinking with Iran, not I. You only now admit they are working towards nukes..... behind the curve as usual. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming besides.

I've been of the position the entire time that they should be allowed to have nuclear technology. You still show no evidence of any such "nukes".. Even after I explain to you how a nuclear attack would play out, how Iran wouldn't gain anything from it, how some hidden Imam prophecy doesn't mean shit because the majority of Iran is not controlled by religious whackjobs who agree with the leaders bullshit. How do you think it would play out if Obama launched a nuke at some country and told us all he's doing it because of a prophecy!? lmfao...

And what's with this response really anyway? More of the same old tired ass "I told you so!!!!" bullshit we've all seen before, where again, you didn't say shit to begin with. You must be one of those prophets on the infomercials tellin' people to call in and have their fortune read!

What if I was changing my position? From believing it's alright if they develope nuclear technology to believing we should probably step in and stop them? Aren't you of the position that we should stop Iran at all costs? So why, I wonder, would you see it as a bad thing for me to agree with you... This is the exact same shit they try to pull with candidates during elections. "flip-flopping" on a subject. I havn't done that here, I just wanted to use that situation as an example for you CJ. So why would it be a bad thing?

You're essentially saying you'd rather stick with some tool who knows what he's doing is the wrong thing, but does it regardless, as to not be labeled a "flip-flopper", than pick a guy who is comfortable with changing an opinion or belief he may have in light of new evidence that supports the correct position.

One more thing, do you notice a trend in your thread? Most people taking the position of "not attacking Iran", most people infact agreeing with my position... the peaceful position.

You keep saying your right about everything and we're the only ones not agreeing with you... but uhh.. whose agreeing with you bro?

I support what position I feel is correct.

 

[redivider]

they have are building a nuclear enrichment facility. it can be used for nuclear energy or nuclear weapons. these so called "secret" facilities are no secret. The US want's to cry wolf so it gains more attention than the problems back home.

you fail to realize that Iran is not a threat to the US. they never will be. They might be a threat to Israeli imperialistic agendas. There are few who will admit that the real rogue nation in the middle east is Israel, and their constant expansion of their borders. The only problem with IRAN having a heavy military is that they will help their palestinian neighbors keep israel at bay.

Iran is not a threat to the U.S.

The U.S.'s real enemy right now are the enemies of democracy right here at home. Those enemies are not a bunch of arabs half a world away, they are not a little group of bomb-makers trying to make mischief.

The real enemy of America is anything that undermines democracy and liberty.

The only way "terrorists" win is if americans sit by and let things like the "patriot act" be enacted. "terrorists" win when they see americans loose sight of what's important.

What's important is the people of this nation, and the freedoms they are entitled to under their constitution. what is not important is "too big to fail" and national security while sacrificing freedom.

Loosing sight of what's really important back here at home has been the US's problem the last decade. THey say a bunch of arabs is the problem, the real problem is back here, in conference rooms and offices across america. Unregulated capitalism undermines democracy. that is THE issue in america today, those who fail to recognize it will only accelerate the process.

stop shouting wolf at Iran, they are half a world away, and uninterested in the US.

 

[CrackerJax]

red... ur truly a naive person.
You should be home with ur mother.


Paddy... my response needs to be made. Ppl tend to gloss over their mistakes and try and move on quickly. I'm glad you are sane enough to not want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but one must understand that if a nation has a nuclear power plant.... weapons are not far behind. The two go together if a nation chooses to have nuke weapons.

Sanctions have PROVEN to be ineffective. This is a very simple thing to decide upon. Iran has been lying the entire time and must pay the piper.

Iran wishes to abuse other nations. There is no other reason for them to have nukes. They must be shown the folly of their ways...... but Obama has abdicated leadership in foreign policy in pretty much every area. We will all pay a price for his fecklessness.

Obama in no Commander in Chief. We are at war right now with terrorism. Someone should tell the President.

 

[Green Cross]

Obama sent Iran a message of weakness, so of course they're going to take advantage.

This is why you don't deal with thugs, but as usual Obama thinks he knows better... and now Iran knows Obama is a big p*ssy who won't do anything to stop them.

Iran says Obama's offer to talk shows US failure
Jan 31 08:16 AM US/Eastern

US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.


"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to "unclench its fist".
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
Iranian politicians frequently refer to the US administration as the "global arrogance", "domineering power" and "Great Satan".
Tensions with the United States have soared over Iran's nuclear drive and Ahmadinejad's vitriolic verbal attacks against Washington's close regional ally Israel.
Former US president George W. Bush refused to hold talks with the Islamic republic -- which he dubbed part of an "axis of evil" -- unless it suspended uranium enrichment, and never took a military option to thwart Tehran's atomic drive off the table.
The new administration of Obama has also refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- to stop Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Iran denies any plans to build the bomb and insists its nuclear programme is solely aimed at peaceful ends."

Iran Threatens Genocide, Obama Offers Hot Dogs

 

[doobnVA]

WE ARE the "thugs". Our policy of "domination" IS a failure. Israel has been our "ally" because they have subscribed to the same policy of domination. Why should Israel, that tiny little country that's pretty much globally recognized as being the aggressor, be allowed to pursue nuclear technology but its enemies can't?

Opinion blogs from News Corp's international holdings aren't exactly "proof" as to Israel's innocence in these matters.

What about the "genocide" of the non-Jews by Israel itself?

Do you guys really just want to keep on pretending that these things are okay when WE (or our "allies") are the ones doing it, and scream "genocide" when it's anyone else?

 

[Wavels]

CJ and GC are correct.

Obama is unfortunately making this situation worse. His pusillanimous stance is actually encouraging and emboldening the bluster and saber rattling from Iran. The world is rapidly becoming more dangerous under the "smartest" man ever to occupy the White House.
We are all in deep doodoo because we have elected a Commander in Chief who has demonstrated an inability to understand the requirements of leadership, and has an apparent disregard or ignorance of world history.

Is this "change" anyone can believe in???

 

[CrackerJax]

France's Sarkozy just put the official smack down on Obama's nuclear world views.

France is now the objective ones? My, how the USA has fallen, and quickly too. Obama seems to be borderline incompetent.

 

[PadawanBater]

120 pages ago, that is almost 1 year ago, you were advocating this exact same shit CrackerJax. Giving the exact same "warnings". (though when Bush was still the guy in charge, you were already bitching about Obamas performance, it's hard to take your position seriously when it's clear as day you have some kind of personal political bias against the guy, always have, and can litterally never say a single good word about the guy) It seems like everything Bush did with Iran was golden, but then as soon as Obama got in, the Iranians were emboldened because they perceived weakness in his leadership... Give me a fuckin' break CJ...

If that's not the real reason for your opposition to Iran, your disdain for Obama and everything he's done or tried to do, then it's definitely responsible for your skewed view of reality.

Bush had the exact same shit in place that Obama does, the only difference is he said retarded shit publicly that he shouldn't have that made all of us Americans look like arrogant punk ass thugs with big guns and lots of money, seemingly compensating for other aspects of our way of life to any outside observer except all the retarded Jebus lover bible thumper Americans that believe war is always the only solution. Yet total support... Not a peep of criticism. Then Obama becomes president and all of a sudden the shit Bush's administration set up all becomes a failed policy, and it's all Obama's fault...

I don't like the guy - Obama - but I'm not going to let that interfere with me making an informed decision on the shit he does. You don't like the guy, yet you won't accept anything he does, not even if it is infact good for the nation. You'll pick apart any little bit to find something negative you don't like and try to highlight that, the birth certificates, the public option, "he's Kenyan!" "He's MUSLIM!!!"... like for real, do you understand retards pushing shit like that, retards like Rush and Hannity and Beck actually has an impact on the nation. There are still people in meetings saying Obama is not a citizen, they think he's a muslim, etc... It's not harmless. You guys are lying to America by pushing that shit, blatant lies that have all been proven false, yet nobody on the right acknowledges it, still push the same old talking points, still deviding America (but to be honest, I guess it's kind of helping weed out the absolute bottom of the intelligence pool... kinda like a fisherman... you put out the bait, the most retarded statement ever... "Obama is from Kenya!"... wait... wait... then whoever grabs it like a good little fishy, that would be the idiots from the townhalls and teabagger meetings, those are the ones I'm talking about)


Still no actual solutions from any of you guys advocating WW3. All I'm hearing are good examples of how America can go down in history as the aggressor in that conflict.

 

[CrackerJax]

You all (Iran SYMPATHIZERS) thought I was deranged and creating a situation a year ago. Now it is quite apparent that I was correct. I was not alone in that opinion, many logical folks were able to draw the same conclusions.

Iran is a rogue state. Bush let the EU negotiate with Iran for 5 years, since it was not strategically in our favor to do so ourselves. You have to think beyond the headline editorials.

What was the result? Nukes....

So more of the same? This is exactly what Obama is now saying. That was what Sarkozy was complaining about. Sarkozy is 100% correct.

Europe is slowly waking up that the USA has elected a nightmare of a President.

Some of you need to do the same. Behind the curve is better than missing the curve altogether.

Use some common sense.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You all (Iran SYMPATHIZERS) thought I was deranged and creating a situation a year ago. Now it is quite apparent that I was correct. I was not alone in that opinion, many logical folks were able to draw the same conclusions.

Iran is a rogue state. Bush let the EU negotiate with Iran for 5 years, since it was not strategically in our favor to do so ourselves. You have to think beyond the headline editorials.

What was the result? Nukes....

So more of the same? This is exactly what Obama is now saying. That was what Sarkozy was complaining about. Sarkozy is 100% correct.

Europe is slowly waking up that the USA has elected a nightmare of a President.

Some of you need to do the same. Behind the curve is better than missing the curve altogether.

Use some common sense.

LOL sry but i have to


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its like 911 x 10000 you'd better send in the boys

 

[CrackerJax]

That was a ripping funny movie.

Obama must be an honorary member of F.A.G.

 

[Mindmelted]

We are all FUCKED....

 

[CrackerJax]

The Dictators are laughing at us, and our allies are running from us.

I'm voting to round up all the true believers in witchcraft and on Halloween, we can gather them together to raise Ronald Reagan back from the dead. This country needs some serious guidance..... there sure isn't any at the White House.

 

[Mindmelted]

We could use a ronnie ray gun again....

 

[PadawanBater]

You all (Iran SYMPATHIZERS) thought I was deranged and creating a situation a year ago. Now it is quite apparent that I was correct.

Some of you need to do the same. Behind the curve is better than missing the curve altogether.

Use some common sense.

Every post you make is filled with arrogance.

You must be one proud individual CJ...

 

[PadawanBater]

The Dictators are laughing at us, and our allies are running from us.

I'm voting to round up all the true believers in witchcraft and on Halloween, we can gather them together to raise Ronald Reagan back from the dead. This country needs some serious guidance..... there sure isn't any at the White House.

-Drug War. Nuff said.

Fuck Ronald Reagan and the horse he rode in on, that ignorant asshat.

 

[natrone23]

See that your problem Crackerjax your livin in the past. Ronald Regan would be what 100 something years old, its time to move on man he's deader then a door knob.

 

[redivider]

you people blindly defend israel and it's imperialistic intentions.

Iran does not abuse other peoples, israel is the nation that has continually expanded their borders, continually abused palestinians and muslims.

Nuclear power is used to generate electricity. Nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent, the only nation in history to have used nuclear weapons is the U.S. Assuming that a nuclear-armed nation will immediately start firing away just goes to show how distorted your view of reality is.

i not naive. I am very educated, open minded, rational, and neutral in my views.

i have talked to some of the wealthiest, most affluent and influential people in this hemisphere, over steak, fine wines, and good cigars.

You assume I am naive, I laugh....

You assume you know more than anybody. You don't. You know just as much as W. Bush, if that.

You know how to grow marijuana, and how to be a ignorant conservative. You blindly defend assumptions not backed up by any facts, but by biased corporate-media "news" organizations and political parties.

I repeat, I laugh.

 

[Mindmelted]

you people blindly defend israel and it's imperialistic intentions.

Iran does not abuse other peoples, israel is the nation that has continually expanded their borders, continually abused palestinians and muslims.

Nuclear power is used to generate electricity. Nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent, the only nation in history to have used nuclear weapons is the U.S. Assuming that a nuclear-armed nation will immediately start firing away just goes to show how distorted your view of reality is.

i not naive. I am very educated, open minded, rational, and neutral in my views.

i have talked to some of the wealthiest, most affluent and influential people in this hemisphere, over steak, fine wines, and good cigars.

You assume I am naive, I laugh....

You assume you know more than anybody. You don't. You know just as much as W. Bush, if that.

You know how to grow marijuana, and how to be a ignorant conservative. You blindly defend assumptions not backed up by any facts, but by biased corporate-media "news" organizations and political parties.

I repeat, I laugh.

And most of us laugh at this statement:

i have talked to some of the wealthiest, most affluent and influential people in this hemisphere, over steak, fine wines, and good cigars.


Which means fucking nothing in the scheme of things.Steak and fine wine and cigars are for the ones who have truly fucked our world.

And you are very naive if you think iran would not use a nuke.


We laugh back at you....