Please Help, RIU

DoeEyed

DoeEyed

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Bagseed

Scott's Potting Soil

400w HPS

Temps 68 lights off, 75 lights on, 50% humidity

Feeding once a week with MG Bloom Booster at half strength, one drop Superthrive per gallon every watering, and one TBSP molassas every other watering

Asked for help with her a couple weeks ago, she's gotten worse. This girl is 38 days (five and a half weeks) into flower. The buds look decent, bud leaves nice and green, but 90% of her fan leaves are yellow and limp. I don't know what's wrong - was overfeeding, but quit that two weeks ago. Water her every three to four days - about three to four cups. She's in a three gallon bucket.

I have read everything I can find, I cannot figure what's wrong with her. Is she dying? Today I also noticed that a couple of hairs on each bud have turned orange - I know that's normal, but wondering about when it is supposed to happen, she looks too immature? Or is it time for that to be starting?

There are two other females in there, vegged three weeks less than my first but began flowering at the same time. Same everything else - but aside from some nute burn, they are not having the same problem, nor are the hairs turning yet. (They are bagseed too, but different strain).

Please help, RIU, this is my first girl, and I don't want to lose her!:confused:
 

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Big P

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DoeEyed said:
They are about six inches from the top of the plant, I did the hand test and it doesn't hurt at that distance, too close?
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no just seemed like the buds are far apart did you trim it? how many plants you got under there


some strains will get pretty ugly as they reach the end of thier life cycle. like i had one that would start yellowing at week 4 and i couldnt stop it, but i think it also could be a nitrogen dificiency but dont quote me on that

 
DoeEyed

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Big P said:
no just seemed like the buds are far apart did you trim it? how many plants you got under there


some strains will get pretty ugly as they reach the end of thier life cycle. like i had one that would start yellowing at week 4 and i couldnt stop it, but i think it also could be a nitrogen dificiency but dont quote me on that
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No, no trimming, not really. I tried to FIM it around four weeks old, transplanted the same day, put her into shock so badly it took about 5 days for her to come out of it. She had gnats at one point (thank God for neem oil). Stretched her as a baby - started her out in backyard dirt - she's had it rough, my very first girl. But no problems for awhile, until this. There are only the three plants under the light.
Oh and the PH is around 6.5 - 7, can't tell now because my cheapie meter isn't working.
 
DoeEyed

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intensive said:
uh...it looks starved, maybe bump up the nutes, and keep some nitrogen with it
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Really? I'm giving it 15-30-15, at half strength, was feeding them all every 2/3 waterings but it burnt the hell out of my other two so thought it was too much?
 
Big P

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ill be honest with u man i cant help with soil but hydro is the way to go, all u do is replace your soil in your pot with water and add an air pump, adding nutes is as easy as making koolaid and flushing it is as easy as flushing the toilet, plus water is free


but ya they just look a lil streched like you should be able to get atleast 8 oz's with a 400 watter,
 
DoeEyed

DoeEyed

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Big P said:
ill be honest with u man i cant help with soil but hydro is the way to go, all u do is replace your soil in your pot with water and add an air pump, adding nutes is as easy as making koolaid and flushing it is as easy as flushing the toilet, plus water is free


but ya they just look a lil streched like you should be able to get atleast 8 oz's with a 400 watter,
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That's ok, I appreciate you trying to help me. Any soil growers out there with an answer?:peace:
 
DoeEyed

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robert 14617 said:
the curl and droop really look like moisture stress how is the soil dig in deep?
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Hard to say, the soil is weird on top, looks more like hardpan in the desert than soil. (And I don't know why - all my plants are in the same soil and she is the only one who's soil looks that way) Digging my finger in is not that easy, and I feel roots not far below the surface.
 
DoeEyed

DoeEyed

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robert 14617 said:
how about the weight of the container compared to dry soil in a three gal bucket
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Hard to say, her container seems kind of heavy, compared to the two others I currently have flowering - but then she did veg for three weeks longer. Enough to grow that many more roots?

LUDACRIS said:
you would be better getting closer pics with the hps lamp off.
i cant see to clearly due to the orange light.

LUDA.
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I'll take more pics this evening then - they are asleep until 7pm.

JonnyBtreed said:
How often do you water? How is the drainage of the soil? Looks over watered to me.
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I water every three to four days - about three to four cups of water, when the soil on top is cracked open. There are eight holes drilled in the bottom of the bucket.

I really, really appreciate you guys trying to help me with this.
 
DoeEyed

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robert 14617 said:
the weight is more than likely water
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I had thought so too, so I didn't water her for like a week - the weight did not really decrease, the top cracked further, and she got even more limp than she is now - to test it I gave her a small amount of water that evening (about a cup) and by morning she had perked up some, so I gave her a couple more cups, and she perked up a bit more. So I don't know what to think. Not draining or not getting to her roots for some reason? If it makes a difference, we have really hard water - there is a softener, but it's still pretty hard. No problems with any other plant though.
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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if your using softened water you may have a Mg deff. add some eapsoms salt next time you water about a table spoon or two per gallon check the FAQ's

Magnesium (Mg)
Magnesium is a component of the chlorophyll molecule and serves as a cofactor in most enzymes.
Magnesium (Mg) deficiency:
Magnesium deficiency will exhibit a yellowing (which may turn brown) and interveinal chlorosis beginning in the older leaves. The older leaves will be the first to develop interveinal chlorosis. Starting at leaf margin or tip and progressing inward between the veins. Notice how the veins remain somewhat green though as can be seen in figure 15.
Notice how in figure 16 and 17 the leaves curl upwards like they're praying? They're praying for Mg! The tips may also twist.
This can be quickly resolved by watering with 1 tablespoon Epsom salts/gallon of water. Until you can correct nutrient lockout, try foliar feeding. That way the plants get all the nitrogen and Mg they need. The plants can be foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water). When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil.
If the starting water is above 200 ppm, that is pretty hard water, that will lock out mg with all of the calcium in the water. Either add a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of epsom salts or lime (both will effectively reduce the lockout or invest into a reverse osmosis water filter.
Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.
 
DoeEyed

DoeEyed

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robert 14617 said:
if your using softened water you may have a Mg deff. add some eapsoms salt next time you water about a table spoon or two per gallon check the FAQ's
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Ok, I'll try that out, thanks a ton. I'm going to add some more pics this evening as well, out from under the HPS light, just in case I missed somthing else.:peace:
 
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