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CrackerJax

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I think the reason why private contractors were used was because the army corps. was already so thinly spread out with the actual war, we needed someone to fill the gaps and build schools and infrastructure. As for no bids... that was done for two reasons... halli was fully qualified and ABLE to do it under intensely dangerous conditions, and the other reason was for streamlining the process so the paperwork didn't delay the rebuilding.

Few contractors can operate during those war conditions.
 

macinnis

Active Member
No conviction is necessary. It isn't ACORN's money and they aren't entitled to it. Congress doesn't need a reason to cut them off.

As far as Blackwater is concerned; I never did understand why we would be hiring a private company for this duty. It seems unethical in the first place.

As far as Haliburton, aside from specious accusations, I have never seen anything that even suggests any impropriety of any kind. Cheny severed all ties with them prior to his election and there is no evidence of impropriety there either.
There is so much against Halliburton and their subsidies I will go over some of the biggest

Dyncorp and Halliburton Sex Slave Scandal Won't Go Away
Halliburton, Dyncorp lobbyists stall law banning human trafficking and sex slavery


Almost a year after Representative Cynthia McKinney was told by Donald Rumsfeld that it was not the policy of the Bush administration to reward companies that engage in human trafficking with government contracts, the scandal continues to sweep up innocent children who are sold into a life of slavery at the behest of Halliburton subsidiaries , Dyncorp and other transnational corporations with close ties to the establishment elite.​
On March 11th 2005, McKinney grilled Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers on the Dyncorp scandal.​
"Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the sex trade. The President called for the punishment of those involved in this horrible business. But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. Secretary, is it [the] policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies that traffic in women and little girls?"​
The response and McKinney's comeback was as follows.​
Rumsfeld: "Thank you, Representative. First, the answer to your first question is, is, no, absolutely not, the policy of the United States Government is clear, unambiguous, and opposed to the activities that you described. The second question."​

McKinney: "Well how do you explain the fact that DynCorp and its successor companies have received and continue to receive government contracts?"
Rumsfeld: "I would have to go and find the facts, but there are laws and rules and regulations with respect to government contracts, and there are times that corporations do things they should not do, in which case they tend to be suspended for some period; there are times then that the - under the laws and the rules and regulations for the - passed by the Congress and implemented by the Executive branch - that corporations can get off of - out of the penalty box if you will, and be permitted to engage in contracts with the government. They're generally not barred in perpetuity."
McKinney: "This contract - this company - was never in the penalty box."
Rumsfeld: "I'm advised by DR. Chu that it was not the corporation that was engaged in the activities you characterized but I'm told it was an employee of the corporation, and it was some years ago in the Balkans that that took place."
Watch the video here.
Rumsfeld's effort to shift the blame away from the hierarchy at Dyncorp and onto the Dyncorp employees was a blatant attempt to hide the fact that human trafficking and sex slavery is a practice condoned by companies like Dyncorp and Halliburton subsidiaries like KBR.
What else are we to assume in light of recent revelations cited in the Chicago Tribune that Halliburton subsidiary KBR and Dyncorp lobbyists are working in tandem with the Pentagon to stall legislation that would specifically ban trafficking in humans for forced labor and prostitution by U.S. contractors?


Hidden Danger: Soldiers Dying From Electrocution


A Dozen Soldiers Have Died From Accidental Electrocution in Iraq, Says Congressman


By MARCUS BARAM
March 20, 2008



During his two tours of duty serving as a special forces soldier in Iraq, Ryan D. Maseth had cheated death on more than a few occasions.
While protecting a Baghdad polling place in December 2005, he ran toward enemy fire to help his fellow soldiers and to repel the attack. And after a Humvee in his convoy once hit an improvised explosive device, Maseth escaped injury and apprehended the perpetrators.
But little did the staff sergeant know that when he stepped into the shower at his military base in Baghdad two months ago, he was putting his life at risk.
Maseth, 24, of Shaler, Pa., outside Pittsburgh, was electrocuted on Jan. 2 when an improperly grounded electric water pump short-circuited and flowed through the pipes. Since the coiled hose was touching his arm, he was hit with an electrical jolt and went into cardiac arrest and died.
Maseth's tragic death brings to 12 the number of soldiers who have died in Iraq due to accidental electrocution, according to Army and Marine e-mails obtained by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.
By comparison, there were 250 occupational fatalities due to electrocution among all workers in the United States in 2005, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Now Maseth's family and some members of Congress are demanding answers to their questions about why these tragic fatalities continue to occur despite the Pentagon's knowledge of the risks of electrocution since 2004.

"I have three sons in the military," Maseth's mother, Cheryl A. Harris, told ABCNews.com. "Ryan's twin brother Brandon is on his third tour of duty right now. I understand the risks full well, but I struggle with getting my mind around how Ryan died, something so simple as getting into a shower."
A Pentagon spokesman said that the matter has been turned over to the department's inspector general for a full investigation.
Meanwhile, Harris and Maseth's father Douglas Maseth have filed a wrongful death lawsuit in a Pennsylvania state court against Kellogg Brown Root, the contractor hired to maintain and repair the electrical infrastructure at the Radwaniyah Palace complex in Baghdad, one of Saddam Hussein's former estates, where her son lived.
She claims that KBR had been aware of the problems with the electrical system at the complex since February 2007, citing reports from the contractor and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division she was shown during meetings with Army personnel.



"They were well aware of those conditions but I want to know: Who was accountable? Who made the decision to allow Ryan to live there?"
Harris maintains that the problem has still not been fixed and that she was told that two more soldiers received non-fatal electrical shocks in the two months since her son's death.
"I was told that they are working on it but they have still not made all the repairs."
A spokeswoman for KBR e-mailed a statement to ABC News:
"The safety and security of all employees remains KBR's priority and we remain committed to pledging our full cooperation with the agencies involved in investigating this matter."
At the time of Staff Sergeant's Maseth tragic death, however, KBR was providing repair services at the facility in response to requests issued by the Army."
After Harris contacted Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Penn., he wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates asking for answers.
He worked with Waxman, whose House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has launched an investigation into the deaths by accidental electrocution.

"It's an amazing story," Altmire says. "When you hear that in 2004, the Army themselves saw it as a problem and did nothing about it and in 2007 KBR [the contractor] identified it as a problem. We need to find out why nothing was done."
Altmire was referring to a 2004 Army safety publication article titled ""Electrocution: The Unexpected Killer," which warned that improper grounding of electrical wires was a "serious threat" for soldiers in Iraq.
The article was prompted by the deaths of five soldiers from accidental electrocution, including one that eerily foreshadowed Maseth's death:
Two weeks after one soldier was killed and another injured from an electrical current that charged a swimming pool in May 2004, the article says "another soldier was found dead, lying on a shower room floor with burn marks on his body. The apparent cause was electricity that traveled from the water heater through the metal pipes to the showerhead. Again, improper grounding of electrical systems is the probable cause of this soldier's death."

SEC opens formal investigation of Halliburton bribery scandal
11 June 2004
HOUSTON, June 11 (HalliburtonWatch.org) -- The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission opened a formal investigation of Halliburton's involvement in a $180 million bribe paid to officials of the government of Nigeria. U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney was CEO of Halliburton at the time the alleged bribe took place. Halliburton's Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR) division and three other partner firms allegedly paid the bribe to obtain a contract to build a $4 billion natural gas plant in Nigeria's southern delta region. The contract was awarded to the partnership, known as TSKJ, and construction of the plant was completed in the 1990s. The partnership firms involved in the bribery scandal are Halliburton, Technip of France, ENI of Italy, and Japan Gasoline. Each of the firms owns a 25 percent interest in the natural gas plant. All firms in the partnership are being investigated. The Nigerian government ordered its own investigation in February 2004. The governments of France and Britain, as well as the U.S. Justice Department, have been conducting investigations for over a year. Bribery of foreign governments by U.S. corporations is illegal under the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

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CrackerJax

New Member
It happens everywhere..... gonna throw all US electricians in jail too? I worked for an electrical company during my college years in the summer. You wouldn't believe some of the violations that were routine.

Accidents are just that....accidents. terrible but not culpable.
 

macinnis

Active Member
A violation is a violation. If shoddy work results in someones death they should be held accountable same as vehicular manslaughter. You are paying for the job to be done right, not to kill you.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It is NOT the same as vehicular manslaughter..... :roll:

Of course what you omit is the FANTASTIC job both Halliburton and Blackwater did overall. You can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

I'll go with the ppl of Iraq on this one. They are overwhelmingly glad that we did go in. Bush freed 50 million ppl from tyranny. The ppl of Iraq know this. That's a real nobel peace prize, not the farcical one given to Obama.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
In May 2003, Halliburton revealed in SEC filings that its KBR subsidiary had paid a Nigerian official $2.4 million in bribes in order to receive favorable tax treatment.

Houston-based KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton, recently pleaded guilty to U.S. federal criminal charges, alleging it paid millions of dollars in bribes to Nigerian officials to win the contract to build a $4 billion natural gas plant in Nigeria. It was convicted and ordered to pay a fine of $402 million.

The Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) flagged more than $250 million in charges submitted by the subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root, as questionable and potentially unjustified. This amounted to more than 10 percent of the $2.41 billion no-bid contract which KBR was awarded in 2003 to deliver fuel and conduct repairs in Iraq’s oilfields.
Halliburton and KBR have raked in a total of $11 billion in Pentagon funds for supply, repair and reconstruction projects in Iraq since the US invasion, more than half the total.
Army officials defended the decision in response to questions raised by the New York Times, telling the newspaper, “the contractor is not required to perform perfectly to be entitled to reimbursement.”
The DCAA found that in some cases KBR was charging the Army fuel transportation costs nearly three times what competitors were charging. A total of $263 million in costs were questioned, but the Army decided to pay $252.9 million of the disputed amount. As the Times explained in an article February 27, “That means the Army is withholding payment on just 3.8 percent of the charges questioned by the Pentagon audit agency, which is far below the rate at which the agency’s recommendation is usually followed or sustained by the military.... Figures provided by the Pentagon audit agency on thousands of military contracts over the past three years show how far the Halliburton decision lies outside the norm. In 2003, the agency’s figures show, the military withheld an average of 66.4 percent of what the auditors had recommended, while in 2004 the figure was 75.2 percent and in 2005 it was 56.4 percent.”
The Times estimated that Halliburton’s profit from the cost-plus contract was about $100 million, meaning that a typical recovery rate for overcharges detected by the auditor would have wiped it out entirely. Instead of such an outcome, an Army official told the newspaper that the company would lose about $7 million in profits because of the auditors’ questioning of the costs that were the basis for markups and fees for KBR.
The Iraqi people as well as the American taxpayer will be robbed under this arrangement, since the total of $2.4 billion for Halliburton/KBR will come from $900 million appropriated by the US Congress and $1.5 in Iraqi oil proceeds and funds seized from the ousted government of Saddam Hussein.
A spokesman for the DCAA hinted at the higher-level intervention that influenced—and ultimately decided—the outcome of the case. Lt. Col. Brian Maka told the Times that the settlement with KBR was based on “broader business considerations” than the audit and that the DCAA “has no indication of problems with the audit process.” The inference clearly to be drawn is that Cheney’s well-publicized role, as well as KBR’s longstanding connections with top Pentagon brass, secured the whitewash.
The concern for the political impact of the KBR audit has been evident from the beginning of this case. Pentagon officials tried to keep the auditors’ findings secret during the fall of 2004, in an effort to avoid a scandal that would do damage to the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign.
The confiscated Iraqi funds have been used for Halliburton contracts under the terms of a UN Security Council resolution which gave after-the-fact authorization for the US occupation. But when UN officials asked to see the audits of money whose disbursement they were responsible for overseeing, they were given copies with most criticism of KBR blacked out. Much of the vitriol directed by congressional Republicans against the UN over the “oil-for-food” scandal has been a preemptive effort to block the international body from exposing the much larger corruption now being practiced by corporate America in Iraq.
The total amounts are staggering. In January 2005, one investigation concluded that $8.8 billion distributed to Iraqi ministries under the Coalition Provisional Authority had little or no oversight or control. Much of this money was simply pocketed by American officials and their Iraqi stooges. Enormous amounts of cash—including the largest single shipment in the history of the US Federal Reserve—flooded Iraq with hundred-dollar bills. From May 2003 to June 2004, for instance, the Federal Reserve shipped $12 billion in cash to Iraq, $4 billion of it in the final month of the CPA, when the orgy of plunder reached its peak.
In January 2006, a more comprehensive audit of thousands of rebuilding contracts found at least $230 million in unjustified payments from some $5.8 billion in Iraqi government funds and oil sales proceeds.
Only the smallest of small fries have been prosecuted for the wholesale looting of Iraq. The vice president of Eagle Global Logistics, a KBR subcontractor, pled guilty to $1.14 million in improper billing for fraudulent “war risk surcharges.” Christopher J. Cahill, of Katy, Texas, was named in a sealed plea agreement announced February 16 by a federal district court in Rock Island, Illinois, location of the Army Field Support Command. He will be sentenced May 26.



Another contractor, Robert J. Stein of S&K Technologies, a Montana firm, pled guilty February 2 to charges of conspiracy, money laundering and weapons possession charges. He admitted stealing $2 million in cash and taking additional bribes from businessman Philip H. Bloom, during the period in 2003-2004 when he was a subcontractor for the CPA in the Iraqi city of Hilla. Several middle-ranking Army officers have been charged in the case as well.
Stein was put in charge of distributing over $80 million in reconstruction money in Hilla, despite having a felony fraud conviction. He used his money to buy, among other things, a Lexus, machineguns, a Cessna airplane, expensive watches and jewelry, and two pieces of North Carolina real estate. He also reportedly received sexual favors at a villa in Baghdad which Bloom used to cater to those CPA officials who were involved in the kickback scheme.
As described in press accounts of the case, at one point Stein picked up nearly $60 million in shrink-wrapped $100 bills from CPA headquarters in Baghdad and drove the money back to Hilla, where he had personal control over the vault where it was placed. Of the total of $120 million in Iraqi oil revenues sent to Hilla, only $27 million can be accounted for.
 

macinnis

Active Member
It is NOT the same as vehicular manslaughter..... :roll:

Of course what you omit is the FANTASTIC job both Halliburton and Blackwater did overall. You can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

I'll go with the ppl of Iraq on this one. They are overwhelmingly glad that we did go in. Bush freed 50 million ppl from tyranny. The ppl of Iraq know this. That's a real nobel peace prize, not the farcical one given to Obama.
Not worth the death of one US soldier, they never attacked us until we were there. The whole war was a lie, and that's why we are having these troubles in Afghanistan now. You earlier mentioned the military being overstretched, why do you think that is?
 

macinnis

Active Member
It is NOT the same as vehicular manslaughter..... :roll:

Of course what you omit is the FANTASTIC job both Halliburton and Blackwater did overall. You can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

I'll go with the ppl of Iraq on this one. They are overwhelmingly glad that we did go in. Bush freed 50 million ppl from tyranny. The ppl of Iraq know this. That's a real nobel peace prize, not the farcical one given to Obama.
You're right, it's worse than vehicular manslaughter since it can easily be avoided. You need to show me evidence of this FANTASTIC job, because either you're full of shit or have no clue what you're talking about, again.
 

greenearth5

Well-Known Member
Its not our job to police the world and its not our job to bring peace to the middle east.. they have been at war for thousands of years and wont stop until they decide to stop it themselves... no military tank with guns can force freedom upon people

It is NOT the same as vehicular manslaughter..... :roll:

Of course what you omit is the FANTASTIC job both Halliburton and Blackwater did overall. You can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

I'll go with the ppl of Iraq on this one. They are overwhelmingly glad that we did go in. Bush freed 50 million ppl from tyranny. The ppl of Iraq know this. That's a real nobel peace prize, not the farcical one given to Obama.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Its not our job to police the world and its not our job to bring peace to the middle east.. they have been at war for thousands of years and wont stop until they decide to stop it themselves... no military tank with guns can force freedom upon people
Tokyo sure is lovely this time of year...



Berlin too...

 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Its forced on them.. we still have our military over there tellin them what to do
Really? I didn't know the Axis countries still considered us as an invading force. I thought we, the American tax payers, were still just subsidizing their defense costs. Like Wackenhut International.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I guess the fact that the EU admits they can't pay for their own defense might have something to do with us being "allowed" over there. It's not like anyone is telling us to leave... DOH ... it's the opposite. As long as we are there, blame shifting is so easy compared to having to answer to your own ppl yourselves (EU) on issues of security.

It's all a bit more complicated than you think greenearth......don't worry, as you grow older, u'll grow wiser. maybe...
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
It's all a bit more complicated than you think greenearth......don't worry, as you grow older, u'll grow wiser. maybe...
Back when livin was hard, advanced age denoted wisdom. Nowadays, no way...senior voters prove this election after election. Old and dumb is in vogue, I guess. Until capitalism "dies", that is. :roll:
 
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