Is Gay Marriage Really That Big Deal?

RickWhite

RickWhite

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krustofskie said:
Then you can pose the same questions to a single mother.

I think most would agree that growing up with a mother and father is probably the best way, probably. But consider the child in a care home, no mother figure, no father figure, not bought up in the environment of a loving family. Would you say that they should stay in the care system or be bought up by loving guardians, regardless of sexual orientation, single or not.
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I do pose the same question to single mothers. I think divorce though necessary in some cases is an evil and narcissistic thing to do. I also think that if people could learn to be less selfish it wouldn't be nearly as common.

I think the public has largely been brainwashed by the Left with regard to the kind of thing that is typical in gay circles.

All you need to do is consider that for most men, sexuality is limited by their access to willing women. For a gay man no such limitation exists so the natural result is a good deal of debauchery. Now I am always up for some good debauchery but children shouldn't be exposed to it.

Anyone who has been around gay people knows there is usually ample amounts of debauchery.

Plus, I am generally of the belief homosexuality is abnormal behavior for any human and that such behavior is usually the result of childhood trauma. I actually had a gay roommate who claimed to have an idyllic childhood. When I got to know him better he confided in me that his father was abusive. Maybe I'm being simplistic but in my experience childhood trauma explains nearly all psychological issues.

Now, I don't have any proof that it is bad to raise a child in a gay home. Nor do I have any proof that it is bad to raise children in a frat house, a crack house or a whore house, but I'm betting it isn't a good idea.

No, I think that being raised in a gay home is in the best case, a very confusing thing to a child and simply too much for their developing minds to handle in a healthy manner.

In the worst (but very possible) case, the children might be subject to orgies, heavy drug use, domestic abuse and possibly even increased risk of sexual abuse.

Now I know this stuff can happen in any home, but from what I know as a student of human behavior, it is more likely to occur in a gay home.
 
CrackerJax

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Rick, I think abuse of children is quite common today. Since 99.9% of all parents are hetero.... I think it is safe to say that gays couldn't do a worse job.

I've known lots of gay ppl through the years. Most of them were just like my wife and I.... they kept their sex in the bedroom.

Sex addiction knows no boundaries either.... it hits every gender in every combination.
 
krustofskie

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RickWhite said:
I do pose the same question to single mothers. I think divorce though necessary in some cases is an evil and narcissistic thing to do. I also think that if people could learn to be less selfish it wouldn't be nearly as common.

I think the public has largely been brainwashed by the Left with regard to the kind of thing that is typical in gay circles.

All you need to do is consider that for most men, sexuality is limited by their access to willing women. For a gay man no such limitation exists so the natural result is a good deal of debauchery. Now I am always up for some good debauchery but children shouldn't be exposed to it.

Anyone who has been around gay people knows there is usually ample amounts of debauchery.

Plus, I am generally of the belief homosexuality is abnormal behavior for any human and that such behavior is usually the result of childhood trauma. I actually had a gay roommate who claimed to have an idyllic childhood. When I got to know him better he confided in me that his father was abusive. Maybe I'm being simplistic but in my experience childhood trauma explains nearly all psychological issues.

Now, I don't have any proof that it is bad to raise a child in a gay home. Nor do I have any proof that it is bad to raise children in a frat house, a crack house or a whore house, but I'm betting it isn't a good idea.

No, I think that being raised in a gay home is in the best case, a very confusing thing to a child and simply too much for their developing minds to handle in a healthy manner.

In the worst (but very possible) case, the children might be subject to orgies, heavy drug use, domestic abuse and possibly even increased risk of sexual abuse.

Now I know this stuff can happen in any home, but from what I know as a student of human behavior, it is more likely to occur in a gay home.
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Just because a couple are gay it doesn't mean they will expose children to debauchery.

Someone being gay does not mean they must have psychological issues, some people are just Gay.

Why is it very possible for children to be exposed to orgies, drug use and the such in a gay home? Do you think that gay people don't have morals.

I know you concede that this could happen in a straight home but to say this is more likely to happen in a gay home, where are you getting this information or are you just making presumptions based on your own prejudices. Being a student of human behaviour doesn't cut it cos you might be the worst student there is, you want to make statements like this you need to back it up with some facts because at the moment your coming across as very homophobic.
 
krustofskie

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doobnVA said:
I am one of those who disagree with the notion that nazi Germany was a socialist state.

A dictatorship is NEVER a true socialist state, simply because socialism is egalitarian whereas dicatorships are essentially the polar opposite.

krustofskie: I think you and I may be among a very small minority here who understand the TRUE definition of "socialism".
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I could never say I truely understand "socialism" but thanks for the vote of confidence. What I would say is its easy to spot what isn't socialist, and dictatorship is most certainly not.

I leave you with one of my favourite lines that just ring of socialism to me.

"and that government of the people, by the people, for the people"
 
doobnVA

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krustofskie said:
Just because a couple are gay it doesn't mean they will expose children to debauchery.

Someone being gay does not mean they must have psychological issues, some people are just Gay.

Why is it very possible for children to be exposed to orgies, drug use and the such in a gay home? Do you think that gay people don't have morals.

I know you concede that this could happen in a straight home but to say this is more likely to happen in a gay home, where are you getting this information or are you just making presumptions based on your own prejudices. Being a student of human behaviour doesn't cut it cos you might be the worst student there is, you want to make statements like this you need to back it up with some facts because at the moment your coming across as very homophobic.
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WTF is a "student of human behavior"?

RickWhite has also claimed to hold a degree in molecular biology, and to run a construction business. Apparently he's a jack-of-all-trades, that one.
 
doobnVA

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krustofskie said:
I could never say I truely understand "socialism" but thanks for the vote of confidence. What I would say is its easy to spot what isn't socialist, and dictatorship is most certainly not.

I leave you with one of my favourite lines that just ring of socialism to me.

"and that government of the people, by the people, for the people"
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Socialism has many definitions, but none of them are anything even remotely resembling a dictatorship. The fact that you acknowledge this, shows to me that you have a better understanding than 99% of the people here.

Nice line, and very "socialist", indeed!
 
kmoo

kmoo

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i can't be angry at it, because this rick guy genuinely seems to believe what he said, but how does a person, i mean - really, i can't even find the words lol

child abuse can make you gay? gays are generally quite kinky and perverse? i'd love to hear your thoughts on dwarfs lol but really, i have some old psych books from uni, i'll pass em on
 
doobnVA

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RickWhite

RickWhite

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krustofskie said:
Someone being gay does not mean they must have psychological issues, some people are just Gay.
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No! There is no evidence to support that. At one time there was rumored to be some but it didn't bear out.

I believe that barring physiological causes, people who grow up in healthy conditions generally turn out the same. Behavior that deviates from the norm is, according to everything I have studied and read, largely a product of childhood trauma.

But, and here is the important part, when we are discussing the welfare of children the only moral decision is to error on the side of caution. If there is any suspicion at all that a gay homes are more likely to be harmful to the child such suspicion should be disproved before it is allowed and the burden of proof is on those advocating gay adoption.

Remember, nobody has a right to adopt a child. If adoption were a right there would be a due process issue and the burden would be on the State. In this case there is not.

You see, I believe that the welfare of the children should be placed above the desires of the adults. If and only if it ever is proved that growing up with gay parents is equally as healthy as growing up in a traditional home will I endorse it. Doing so before that point in time is immoral and a demonstration of the narcissism of the would be parents.
 
Stoney McFried

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DUH.Just duh.:roll:
RickWhite said:
I do pose the same question to single mothers. I think divorce though necessary in some cases is an evil and narcissistic thing to do. I also think that if people could learn to be less selfish it wouldn't be nearly as common.

I think the public has largely been brainwashed by the Left with regard to the kind of thing that is typical in gay circles.

All you need to do is consider that for most men, sexuality is limited by their access to willing women. For a gay man no such limitation exists so the natural result is a good deal of debauchery. Now I am always up for some good debauchery but children shouldn't be exposed to it.

Anyone who has been around gay people knows there is usually ample amounts of debauchery.

Plus, I am generally of the belief homosexuality is abnormal behavior for any human and that such behavior is usually the result of childhood trauma. I actually had a gay roommate who claimed to have an idyllic childhood. When I got to know him better he confided in me that his father was abusive. Maybe I'm being simplistic but in my experience childhood trauma explains nearly all psychological issues.

Now, I don't have any proof that it is bad to raise a child in a gay home. Nor do I have any proof that it is bad to raise children in a frat house, a crack house or a whore house, but I'm betting it isn't a good idea.

No, I think that being raised in a gay home is in the best case, a very confusing thing to a child and simply too much for their developing minds to handle in a healthy manner.

In the worst (but very possible) case, the children might be subject to orgies, heavy drug use, domestic abuse and possibly even increased risk of sexual abuse.

Now I know this stuff can happen in any home, but from what I know as a student of human behavior, it is more likely to occur in a gay home.
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CrackerJax

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I'd be a liar if I didn't admit that as a straight dude, at times I did not have ... ahem... access to women.

I did manage to violate my left hand (southpaw ftw!!) on several hundred occasions.




 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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Do you suppose a tour buss for a major rock group would be a good atmosphere for children? Does anyone have any proof that such atmospheres are not just as wholesome as your average soccer mom's home? Or, is it just kind of common sense?

Has anyone here ever been to a gay club or around Gays? Do you think there is a female equivalent of a glory hole?
 
lopezri

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RickWhite said:
Do you suppose a tour buss for a major rock group would be a good atmosphere for children? Does anyone have any proof that such atmospheres are not just as wholesome as your average soccer mom's home? Or, is it just kind of common sense?

Has anyone here ever been to a gay club or around Gays? Do you think there is a female equivalent of a glory hole?
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I've been to many gay clubs and I have to say that in those venues gay men are not the standard representative of two men settling down together and having children. Just like I'm sure you had some crazy times in your life when you first realized you were "free" so to speak, that's mainly what those guys are doing in the clubs. Keep in mind, what you see there is a bunch of guys who get to be together and be who they are out in the open and get to express their feelings that had to be supressed in the closet during their teen years. The venue has changed a bit now since it is more accepted for teens to be openly gay but that is only in the last 5 years or so.

Also. . .what do you know about gloryholes and gay clubs? Have you been frequenting them?
 
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