Ending death penalty could save US millions

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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Even when executions are not carried out, the death penalty costs US states hundreds of millions of dollars a year, depleting budgets in the midst of economic crisis, a study released Tuesday found.
"It is doubtful in today's economic climate that any legislature would introduce the death penalty if faced with the reality that each execution would cost taxpayers 25 million dollars, or that the state might spend more than 100 million dollars over several years and produce few or no executions," argued Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center and the report's author.
"Surely there are more pressing needs deserving funding," he wrote, noting that execution was rated among the least effective crime deterrents.
In just one death penalty trial "the state may pay one million dollars more than for a non-death penalty trial. But only one in every three capital trials may result in a death sentence, so the true cost of that death sentence is three million dollars," the study's author said.
"Further down the road, only one in ten of the death sentences handed down may result in an execution. Hence, the cost to the state to reach that one execution is 30 million dollars," Dieter added in the report entitled "Smart on Crime."
The center's goal of ending executions may still be an uphill battle.
The report comes just a week after a new poll found that 65 percent of Americans still favor the death penalty.
Legal in 35 of the 50 US states and used regularly in about 12 or so, the death penalty has been reconsidered recently in 11 states, largely because of the high costs associated with its use.
Colorado came close to eliminating execution but New Mexico was the only state to abolish it, in March.
"There is no reason the death penalty should be immune from reconsideration, along with other wasteful, expensive programs that no longer make sense," Dieter stressed, noting that most US states that pay to maintain a system to execute inmates have in the past three decades put to death only a handful of convicted criminals.
"The same states that are spending millions of dollars on the death penalty are facing severe cutbacks in other justice areas. Courts are open less, trials are delayed, and even police are being furloughed," Dieter said.
In Pennsylvania, 200 police posts sit unfilled, and in New Hampshire trials were put on hold for a month to save money.
Dieter says that keeping execution while reducing its costs is not realistic. If less money is spent on appeals, he argues, the risk of executing an innocent person will increase.
He said that ultimately, execution does not deter crime as its supporters hope. Capital punishment has been abolished in most western democracies, and after it was eliminated in the US state of New Jersey in 2007, the state saw its murder rate decline.
Dieter cites a poll of 500 local police chiefs, which was paid for by the DPIC and released on Tuesday, showing support for ending capital punishment.
The survey found that the police chiefs see the death penalty as the least effective tool in deterring crime. They suggest more efficient use of resources -- such as boosting funding for drug and alcohol abuse programs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091020/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionjustice


This is sort of a political topic, so I thought I'd put it in the politics section.

What are your thoughts on the death penalty, and keeping it an active practice in the United States?
 

kaiserAxel

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Of course. If you have any knowledge of the current criminal/law system you'll see why MJ is illegal; it's lucrative for the drug dealers AND the cops. Same goes for the court system, more appeals from defendants on the green mile means more cases for judges and lawyers.
 
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Of course. If you have any knowledge of the current criminal/law system you'll see why MJ is illegal; it's lucrative for the drug dealers AND the cops. Same goes for the court system, more appeals from defendants on the green mile means more cases for judges and lawyers.

Excellent perspective!
 

RickWhite

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I believe whole heartedly that people deserve to die for certain crimes.

That being said, I would never vote for the death penalty knowing what I know of our legal system. In my county, the chances of a person being found not guilty are slim to none according to a number of attorneys I know. Moreover, courts in my area routinely disregard people's 4th and 5th amendment rights among others. The courts here are Draconian and blatantly unfair to the extent that they are full fledged kangaroo courts - and this comes from the lawyers who practice there.

So, in principle I say some people ought to get the chair and it ought to be set on simmer. But in practice I say no way I would give that much power to the black robe wearing morons we call judges.
 

Imlovinit

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I'd rather be put to death then spend life in prison. I wonder how much money is spent incarcerating a prisoner for life? I doubt it comes close to 25 mil.
 

kaiserAxel

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The cost is not being incarcerated, which by the way 10 years ago cost $250,000 for 5 years in New York (can you say inflation?)...The mian costs come from the appeals system and the money it takes to pay for judges to see over the cases time and time again; cops to show up as witnesses; not to mention emotional strain on the family.
 

doobnVA

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I think in light of the fact that there have been numerous death-row inmates exonerated in recent years due to advancements in the analysis of DNA evidence, the death penalty should be, at the very least, suspended indefinitely if not abolished entirely.

It costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in jail, and inmates on death row tend to abuse the appeals system at the expense of the taxpayers. Many, if not the vast majority, of death row inmates are considered indigent, which means they qualify for court-appointed counsel. Lawyers don't make money representing indigent clients. Judges aren't paid on a case-by-case basis, so trying more cases isn't beneficial to them in any way. In fact, it's quite the opposite. A higher caseload puts an undue strain on the entire judicial system, which is funded by taxpayers. A busy judge is a stressed-out judge, and who can make rational decisions when they are stretched to the limit? We know that doctors and other medical professionals who work long hours and are buried in patients tend to make more (potentially deadly) mistakes. It only stands to reason that this would also apply to judges, yes? So a busy judge would be more likely to send an innocent person to their death, which perpetuates the cycle. More innocent people in prison = more appeals = higher caseload for attorneys and judges = more innocent people convicted = more innocent people in prison = more appeals = higher caseload for attorneys and judges = more innocent people convicted = Well, I think you get the point.
 

Johnnyorganic

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091020/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionjustice


This is sort of a political topic, so I thought I'd put it in the politics section.

What are your thoughts on the death penalty, and keeping it an active practice in the United States?
End it. Government sanction does not make it any less than what it is - homicide.

I'm not saying let the guilty run free in society.

But with Capital Punishment there are no do-overs after the fact. Alive in the Yard is still alive. Dead is dead.
 

Johnnyorganic

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If we could eliminate Capital Punishment, I believe that would elevate our status in the eyes of the world. Actions speak louder than words.

And such a stand is not being soft on violent crime. I've never been inside a prison, but I can imagine it's no lilac festival. It is safe to say that Charley Manson will never breathe free air.

To the skeptics who say the prisons are already overcrowded. I agree. Obviously some laws should be re-examined. Offenses which are illegal just because they are objectionable, but are not morally wrong - mala prohibita, should be taken off the books. Yes, I am thinking of cannabis prohibition.

OFF TOPIC: No worries, Doob. I agree. It is noble to give credit where credit is due. I did not single anyone out because there were multiple offenders. It was better to shut it down before things deteriorated further.
 

doobnVA

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Off topic to JO: Thanks, I guess you saw my post before I edited it. We may not agree on everything, but you have one quality that seems to be dwindling in our society (not just these forums, though I dare say the dwindling is more pronounced in this type of exchange). You said it yourself; nobility. I'd also venture to say that if Obama signed an executive order commanding Congress to overturn the Controlled Substances Act right now, many people here would still cry "fascism and dictatorship" instead of expressing the proper emotions; relief and gratitude.

Back on topic, I think one industry that could stand "nationalization" is the prison industry. The fact that there are private, for-profit correctional facilities should offend the sensibilities of even the most conservative members of society. As long as prisons are making profits and giving kickbacks to judges who send them prisoners, our judicial system will remain corrupt and our prisons will remain overcrowded. When judges are given incentives to convict and incarcerate people (innocent OR guilty), the supposed neutrality of their position is compromised. Remove those incentives, and we'd likely see incarceration rates drop dramatically. Oh, and reform the drug laws already! Jesus.... I can't wait until this whole health care debacle is over with, so Congress can get on the ball with CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

It makes no sense that in the "land of the free", more people are incarcerated than anywhere else on earth. Either we are all a bunch of immoral criminals, or our criminal justice system has failed us miserably. At the beginning of 2008, more than 1 in 100 people in the US were incarcerated. That's 1% of the population, or about 3 million people. That's around 5 times the population of Washington, DC! Half the states in the US have populations lower than that!
 

Puffster

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death penality should NEVER be rescinded.it is needed.not as a dterrent but punishment.proably should be used more often.who has read about the guy who kidnapped and impregnated that lil girl in calif. do you wanna foot the billl to keep him alive?theres many examples,to me that it should be used and it isnt.also other side of coin is what about the innocent.for me its more the predoter/carear guy who should die,with this piece of shit being a shining example!
 

doobnVA

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death penality should NEVER be rescinded.it is needed.not as a dterrent but punishment.proably should be used more often.who has read about the guy who kidnapped and impregnated that lil girl in calif. do you wanna foot the billl to keep him alive?theres many examples,to me that it should be used and it isnt.also other side of coin is what about the innocent.for me its more the predoter/carear guy who should die,with this piece of shit being a shining example!

Um, kidnapping and rape are NOT capital offenses. Not federally, and not in California. That man who kidnapped and raped the girl in CA is NOT eligible for the death penalty, period.
 

Puffster

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Um, kidnapping and rape are NOT capital offenses. Not federally, and not in California. That man who kidnapped and raped the girl in CA is NOT eligible for the death penalty, period.
well maybe you will get lucky.hopefully he will be found innocent and move in next to you.
 

doobnVA

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well maybe you will get lucky.hopefully he will be found innocent and move in next to you.

So because he isn't eligible for the death penalty, now you think he should be set free?

Talk about going from one extreme to another.

Your post title of "huh?" seems to indicate that you don't know what a capital offense is. did I confuse you? A capital offense is an offense that is eligible for capital punishment.

Capital punishment = the death penalty

Just because YOU think the guy should be sentenced to death for his crime, doesn't make it an option.

Just because he can't be sentenced to death, doesn't mean he won't be convicted and spend a very long time in prison.
 

Puffster

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he doesnt need to be incarcerated.waste of money is my point.give him qik trail and zap-em.he aint worth shit to society in any way.try not being so smug an superior.
 

Wordz

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The fact alone that it's possible to be innocent and on death row is why I'm against the death penalty.
 

doobnVA

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he doesnt need to be incarcerated.waste of money is my point.give him qik trail and zap-em.he aint worth shit to society in any way.try not being so smug an superior.
It's hard not to come off as "smug and superior" when speaking with someone of inferior intellect, such as yourself.

I see you edited your post, yet it still reads like a 2nd grade English teacher's worst nightmare. I'd hate to see what it looked like BEFORE the edit.

Unless you have the brains to have an intelligent debate, leave the debating to the people who DO. Otherwise, you're just cluttering up the forum with nonsense.

Thanks.
 
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