Anyone like shrooms?

polar

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Welcome! I guess I'll start... :-)
1. After eating shrooms, how long do you have to wait before you can pass a drug test?
2. How "dangerous" are shrooms? What's the LD-50 for humans?
3. How much should a first timer eat? (I've heard around 3 grams)
4. How long does the trip last
5. What are the stages of the trip, or what's a trip like?
 

alexonfire

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Mmmm I like shrooms, never thought about growing them but I just picked up 2oz for me and my friends
 

mycology101

Member
Shrooms don't show up in most drug tests. If they do it would only be for the next few days after taking them. They do show up in hair folicle tests. Not sure why.

Shrooms can be of several different varieties and potency. You should always know what you are eating before deciding how much to take.

Cubensis which is the most common since it can be cultivated, 1/3 of an eighth would be a good place to start. Once you are accustomed to the feeling, you could take a bit more as needed. Just be sure to wait at least an hour after eating them before deciding to eat more. It only gets stronger.

The trip can last anywhere from four to eight hours, or even more of a LOT is eaten.

I am not sure how many it would take to get sick from eating them, but I do know that if you want large doses it is much better to drink it in a tea form rather than the fruitbodys themselves.

Growing mushrooms is pretty easy to do. All you need is a pressure cooker "40$ at any wally world", some rye grain or wild bird seed, some canning jars, and some verimiculite.

If you see posts about how to grow mushrooms with brown rice flour, dont listen to them. They contam fast, and it isn't worth the effort.

If you grow using colonized grain, cased with straight vermiculite "sterlized of course" then you can grow tub fulls with little effort.

All you need is a spore syringe, and a few random components. It is very easy and yeilds can be over four dry ounces per tub.

Let me know if you want to know more, and I will post it!
 

mycology101

Member
For all the people that pmed me asking me how to do this I wrote up a quick explanation.

The first thing you need to do is to get your supplies gathered up.

You are going to need

Rye grain, or wild bird seed.
a pressure cooker
1 quart canning jars
tyvek envalopes or tyvek house wrapping
medium or fine grade vermiculite
12-18 gallon "or something close" rubbermaid tub, clear
fish tank air pump with air stone
some all purpose glue
a small plastic cup
high temp gasket silicone
polyfill pillow stuffing

The first thing you do is soak your grain for 24 hours in room temp water.
This will germinate all the bacteria so you can kill it with your pressure cooker.


Next drain and rinse the soaked grain, then put in a large pot of new water that has been brought to a boil, then heat reduced to a simmer after the grain is dropped in.

Simmer for five minutes, then put into a strainer, allowing it to steam in the open air.

This simmering will not kill all the bacteria, so yes we must STILL pressure cook.

Leave steaming in the strainer until all visable water has drained away.
All the moisture you need will be contained in the kernals themselves.
Note** wild bird seed takes less time than rye grain. Just drop it into the boiling water, reduce heat, and pour into strain about a minute later.

Now that you have simmered, but well drained grain, load into your jars so they are half to 3/4 full. Don't overfill them as they will compact after pressure cooking and expand not leaving you any room shake them up later.

Before fixing the lids, poke one hole the size of a pencil in the center of each lid and a couple smaller holes around that one.

then cut a circle of tyvek the same size as the lid. Place a couple drops of silicone on the top of the lid disk with holes in it, and fix the tyvek circle on top of that.

In the center of the tyvek, where the large hole is in the metal jar lid disc, place a large glob of silicone. This will act as a self healing port to later inject with a spore syringe.


Once dried place your tyvek/silicone lids on your grain jars, cover each lid with a piece of tin foil, and load them into the pressure cooker.

Be sure to read the pressure cooking directions as they are all different.

Pressure cook the jars for 90 minutes at 15 psi.

Once cooled to the touch "the next day usually" you can innoculate with a spore syringe from a trusted vendor. I personally have always used spores101.com. They are very reliable and have fast shipping, and real people to talk to if you need something.

Once you use a bit of spore solution "1cc per jar" for the first few jars to get started, you can just use colonized grain from one jar to infect many, many other jars. "More on this later"

Once your jars are innoculated with spores or live tissure incubate them in a constant 80 degree, dark place. A week to three weeks later you should see your first signs of growth. Once your jars are colonized, meaning they have turned totally white, with no signs of uncolonized grain left, you are ready to spawn.

Take your vermiculite and moisten to field capacity which means if you squeeze a handful as hard as you can, only a drop or two should come out, nothing more.

Once moistened, Seal in a glad oven bag and bake for 2 hours at 300 degrees, sealed shut.

Or you can load into jars and pressure cook for 30 minutes.

You will want 1/4 grain to verm ratio meaning 1/4 grain, 3/4 verm.

When you have all your verm baked or pressure cooked, then cooled to room temp, simply mix them up in a new, clean garbage bag. "garbage bags are sterile until open to the air"


Now you will need to get your rubbermaid tub ready for fruiting.

Use your glue to fix a plastic cup to the side of the tub on the inside.
Then cut a couple large holes on the side of the tub "use a hot knife or it will crack"
Stuff the holes closed with polyfill pillow stuffing.

Once the glue is dry fill the cup with distilled water, and drop your air stone into the cup so that it bubbles without spilling over the edge. This will keep the tub humid enough to fruit your cased spawn.

Place the bag into your rubber maid tub, and flatten the top so that it is nice and evenly sitting in the bottom of the tub.


Let sit in 70-80 degees for about 8-10 more days until it turns totally white, then cut the garbage bag top off so the flat later of spawn is now exposed to the inside of the tube.


Turn on the pump, and bubble away.

In 6 to 15 days you will see pins,


then mushrooms!



I hope that helps explain it. This is the easiest method I have ever found.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
For all the people that pmed me asking me how to do this I wrote up a quick explanation.

The first thing you need to do is to get your supplies gathered up.

You are going to need

Rye grain, or wild bird seed.
a pressure cooker
1 quart canning jars
tyvek envalopes or tyvek house wrapping
medium or fine grade vermiculite
12-18 gallon "or something close" rubbermaid tub, clear
fish tank air pump with air stone
some all purpose glue
a small plastic cup
high temp gasket silicone
polyfill pillow stuffing

The first thing you do is soak your grain for 24 hours in room temp water.
This will germinate all the bacteria so you can kill it with your pressure cooker.


Next drain and rinse the soaked grain, then put in a large pot of new water that has been brought to a boil, then heat reduced to a simmer after the grain is dropped in.

Simmer for five minutes, then put into a strainer, allowing it to steam in the open air.

This simmering will not kill all the bacteria, so yes we must STILL pressure cook.

Leave steaming in the strainer until all visable water has drained away.
All the moisture you need will be contained in the kernals themselves.
Note** wild bird seed takes less time than rye grain. Just drop it into the boiling water, reduce heat, and pour into strain about a minute later.

Now that you have simmered, but well drained grain, load into your jars so they are half to 3/4 full. Don't overfill them as they will compact after pressure cooking and expand not leaving you any room shake them up later.

Before fixing the lids, poke one hole the size of a pencil in the center of each lid and a couple smaller holes around that one.

then cut a circle of tyvek the same size as the lid. Place a couple drops of silicone on the top of the lid disk with holes in it, and fix the tyvek circle on top of that.

In the center of the tyvek, where the large hole is in the metal jar lid disc, place a large glob of silicone. This will act as a self healing port to later inject with a spore syringe.


Once dried place your tyvek/silicone lids on your grain jars, cover each lid with a piece of tin foil, and load them into the pressure cooker.

Be sure to read the pressure cooking directions as they are all different.

Pressure cook the jars for 90 minutes at 15 psi.

Once cooled to the touch "the next day usually" you can innoculate with a spore syringe from a trusted vendor. I personally have always used spores101.com. They are very reliable and have fast shipping, and real people to talk to if you need something.

Once you use a bit of spore solution "1cc per jar" for the first few jars to get started, you can just use colonized grain from one jar to infect many, many other jars. "More on this later"

Once your jars are innoculated with spores or live tissure incubate them in a constant 80 degree, dark place. A week to three weeks later you should see your first signs of growth. Once your jars are colonized, meaning they have turned totally white, with no signs of uncolonized grain left, you are ready to spawn.

Take your vermiculite and moisten to field capacity which means if you squeeze a handful as hard as you can, only a drop or two should come out, nothing more.

Once moistened, Seal in a glad oven bag and bake for 2 hours at 300 degrees, sealed shut.

Or you can load into jars and pressure cook for 30 minutes.

You will want 1/4 grain to verm ratio meaning 1/4 grain, 3/4 verm.

When you have all your verm baked or pressure cooked, then cooled to room temp, simply mix them up in a new, clean garbage bag. "garbage bags are sterile until open to the air"


Now you will need to get your rubbermaid tub ready for fruiting.

Use your glue to fix a plastic cup to the side of the tub on the inside.
Then cut a couple large holes on the side of the tub "use a hot knife or it will crack"
Stuff the holes closed with polyfill pillow stuffing.

Once the glue is dry fill the cup with distilled water, and drop your air stone into the cup so that it bubbles without spilling over the edge. This will keep the tub humid enough to fruit your cased spawn.

Place the bag into your rubber maid tub, and flatten the top so that it is nice and evenly sitting in the bottom of the tub.


Let sit in 70-80 degees for about 8-10 more days until it turns totally white, then cut the garbage bag top off so the flat later of spawn is now exposed to the inside of the tube.


Turn on the pump, and bubble away.

In 6 to 15 days you will see pins,


then mushrooms!



I hope that helps explain it. This is the easiest method I have ever found.
Plus, plus ratings on this thread mate! Good stuff, their are godspeeds of information here!

Question:

What do you consider to be the most difficult part of cultivating mushrooms?
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
and the last photo of mushies looks like the PAN variety?

What has been the most potent strain of mushroom you have grown... and what do you consider the most simpliest BOOMER to grow?
 

mycology101

Member
Thanks man! Great to get some feedback, that took me a minute to write this morning.

The most difficult part of growing mushrooms is obtaining a reliable spore sample to start with. After that I would have to say learning how to hydrate the grain properly. Too many people think it has to be "wet" while in fact it should look quite dry to the touch. The moisture should be contained within the kernel. I test them by biting down on them. They should be soft but not squishy.

Those pics are all of cubes. Panaeolus cyanescen is a very potent variety that MUST be grown on manure. They are a bit trickier, but once you have cubes down it is just as easy.


Psilocybe Cubensis is the easiest psychedelic variety by far to grow. Oyster mushrooms are good for you, taste great, and are the easiest mushroom to grow in the world. If you ever wanted to grow oysters for fun, food or profit I can help with that too. :-P


Our mushroom farm is branching into environmental restoration work using mushrooms. Literally cleaning up fecal coliform "shit pollution" and phosphorous using mushroom mycelium.

I don't grow the psychedelics anymore, but I love to spread the awareness.

I believe shrooms were mother nature's way of trying to balance out our destructive ways. The more of them being grown, the better off the whole planet becomes.
 

Smokiethebear

Well-Known Member
+ rep nice thread and you make it sound so easy...one of these days Im going to give it a go...what kinda weight did you pull off that last pic?
 

SmokeyMcChokey

Well-Known Member
say my friend lived in a state where possession of psylocibes were illegal. Where coiuld he or she obtain said spores?
 

Burnzy

Well-Known Member
I just wanted to say hello, and let anyone know who is interested in growing shrooms that I have a lot of experience with the subject and would be happy to answer any questions anyone might have.

Have a shroomy day!

:mrgreen:
Been waitin to find someone i can ask one on one about shrooms. I have a couple questions.

I've done a lot of reasearch online about how to grow shrooms so i know what im doing when i first start, but anyways i wanted to start with those bags where all you have to do is innoculate(sp?) it, and i've heard some mixed opinions about them. I understand that starting out the right way and doing like the pf tek would be the smarter choice, but i'd like to start with one of these bags first. Whats your opinion on them, or even experience if you've ever used them. I dont need a huuuge harvest it would be personal use so the bags seemed to be the best choice for me, granted they dont come contamed.

If you like those bags or know much about them can you PM me some sites you'd suggest to get it from?

I couldnt have something as big as what your little tutorial showed, which is another reason why the bags interested me.

if i think of anything else i'll ask ya but thats all i can think of for now, thanks.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
Our mushroom farm is branching into environmental restoration work using mushrooms. Literally cleaning up fecal coliform "shit pollution" and phosphorous using mushroom mycelium.

Really, that sounds very intriquing!

I own the reknowned mushroom book entitled, "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms" by Paul Stamet's. I know you've heard about and probably read the sections on fecal contamination. Awesome! I actually now know someone who does such a trade ;)

Too much water in the vermicilite can cause contamination right because it has too high of a humidity?

I am looking to grow Golden Teachers, any comments on this strain.

What vendors do you suggest I use to obtain a spore syringe?

What is the usual cost for a mediocre type setup?
 

mycology101

Member
You can have spores for scientific study purposes in all states except CA, GA, and ID.

Other than that just go to a good spore site like www.spores101.com and just order whatever looks fun to grow.

Grow bags work so so.

I have had some success with the bags at www.mushbox.com but I think the verm/rye method is even easier than the PF tek.

The PF tek has a high contam rate, but you don't need a PC to do it.

If you want to start off super cheap and not spend the 40$ on a pressure cooker then PF can be good. but it requires higher humidity when fruiting which means more money at the end, then up front as in my method.

Golden teachers are a great strain for starters. Potent, and easy to grow.


I like large bulk spawns like one too because... well .. they just look cool plus you harvest more.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
You can have spores for scientific study purposes in all states except CA, GA, and ID.

Other than that just go to a good spore site like www.spores101.com and just order whatever looks fun to grow.
I personally live in CALI... but I send my spores to NEVADA and pick them up their :)

Slick ah! Not too long of a drive for my ultimate mind booster!

It would be awesome to have you as my personal mycology instructor!

So, what's the average cost of setting up a decent mushroom grow?
 

mycology101

Member
I personally live in CALI... but I send my spores to NEVADA and pick them up their :)

Slick ah! Not too long of a drive for my ultimate mind booster!

It would be awesome to have you as my personal mycology instructor!

So, what's the average cost of setting up a decent mushroom grow?

Not much. You can start off in increments since you have to wait for the jars to colonize anyways.

If you did it right, it should be possible for under 100$ to produce your first shrooms.

Remember also that this setup can be done in large or small amounts. Just use a different size tub.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
Not much. You can start off in increments since you have to wait for the jars to colonize anyways.

If you did it right, it should be possible for under 100$ to produce your first shrooms.

Remember also that this setup can be done in large or small amounts. Just use a different size tub.
Nice! It would cost less than buying an ounce of mushies ;)

What do you consider the best device to fruit them in?

I would invest in a pressure cooker it it'll ensure that my mushies are safe!
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
Those are some beautiful babies... vermiculite is their breastmilk :lol:

How much grain/rye vermiculite mix do you need to fill one of those rubbermaid containers?
 

mycology101

Member
It just depends on the size of the tub. You want to fill 3 to 4 inches of the bottom of whatever tub you are using.
 
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