HACKERS REVEAL!! Climate change scientists have been manipulating and fixing data

Shackleford.R

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long story short. unsubscribed. this thread gets too much of a rise out of me.
if you want to call it a success go ahead. but i hate walking away from a thread upset.
thats what i get with this thread. too many brick walls and not enough people to talk to.

:peace:
Shack
 

Big P

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clothing = allegiance?

:peace:
Shack
Ill repeat for you, the pic is not the reason for the evealuation, it is mearly and illustration of the evalution, made by observing the presidents actions in his first year.


many doubts he has created in him my friend many doubts. you would not let a person baby sit your kids unless you new them very well and had no doubts about them.


for some reason we allow him to become our president when we know practically nothing about him and still have many doubts about him



just doesnt make sense and everyone is slowly realizing it


his approval rate went from 65% to 44% in less than 11 months

somthing is wrong my freinds somthing is very wrong.




 

Big P

Well-Known Member
long story short. unsubscribed. this thread gets too much of a rise out of me.
if you want to call it a success go ahead. but i hate walking away from a thread upset.
thats what i get with this thread. too many brick walls and not enough people to talk to.

:peace:
Shack


i feel ya shack i end up wasting too much time typing i these threads also,

anyway keep an open mind,


im doing my danmdest to keep my mind open on this guy, prayin for him to do right for our nations future.
 
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Keenly

Guest
the environmental movement has been hijacked by the globalists and is now being used to usher in more government control over our lives


they dont give a shit about the environment
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Well, let's see....

Obama's first year.

Iran says - get stuffed
Russia says - get stuffed
North Korea says - get stuffed
China says - get stuffed
Pakistan says - get stuffed


Hmmm, so it wasn't Bush after all? How can that be?

NAIVE ......
 

Big P

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the environmental movement has been hijacked by the globalists and is now being used to usher in more government control over our lives


they dont give a shit about the environment



ya its like the polititions see a movment and try to take it over and control its followers to gain more power and wealth

leaving the real honest movment in tatters
 
K

Keenly

Guest
ya its like the polititions see a movment and try to take it over and control its followers to gain more power and wealth

leaving the real honest movment in tatters
they are fear mongering people into downright insanity

were talking to the point of inactive common sense and reason
 

Big P

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Well, let's see....

Obama's first year.

Iran says - get stuffed
Russia says - get stuffed
North Korea says - get stuffed
China says - get stuffed
Pakistan says - get stuffed


Hmmm, so it wasn't Bush after all? How can that be?

NAIVE ......


and lets not forget the taliban spread across afghanistan in direct challange to the new admin

im pretty sure they would not be doing that if they still had the fear of bush up thier ass


i promise you bush did more to scare the diarea outa them than anyone else ever has.:bigjoint:












 

CrackerJax

New Member
The button only has meaning if ur opponent thinks u'll push it ...

Obama has been evaluated ... and dismissed.

Appeasement leads to violence....
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
and lets not forget the taliban spread across afghanistan in direct challange to the new admin

im pretty sure they would not be doing that if they still had the fear of bush up thier ass
lol are you serious? The taliban spread across afghan to challenge the new admin ?

Where are you getting this?
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
DECEMBER 15, 2009

Developing Countries Briefly Walk Out of U.N. Climate Talks

COPENHAGEN -- Tensions flared Monday at the United Nations climate summit, as representatives from a group of poor nations briefly walked out of the conference to protest the slow pace of negotiations, and European Union officials expressed exasperation with the U.S. and China.


News Hub: Political Showdowns in Copenhagen

7:29 Environmental reporter Jeffrey Ball reports from Copenhagen, where political clashes are taking place outside and delegates are staging walkouts inside the COP15 Climate Conference.

The Group of 77, which represents developing countries as well as large emerging economies such as Brazil, India and China, walked out of the negotiations in the morning, a Brazilian diplomat said. The delegates returned to the conference later Monday, but the underlying issues remained unsolved, Swedish Minister Andreas Carlgren said. Sweden represents the European Union, as it holds the six-month rotating presidency of the 27-country bloc until the end of the year.

The turbulence inside the Copenhagen conference was matched by disturbances and disorganization outside, as hundreds of people waited in line for hours in chilly weather to gain access to the conference center. Meanwhile, Danish police arrested and detained more than 1,000 protestors who staged demonstrations outside the climate conference Saturday and Sunday. Danish lawmakers passed new legislation ahead of the climate conference allowing preventative detention, under which people can be held by police for up to 12 hours.
Getty Images Participants at the conference walked past a globe on Thursday, when a walkout by developing countries stalled negotiations.



The official proceedings of the climate conference are heading into their second week. World leaders, including President Barack Obama, are expected to arrive late this week ostensibly to clinch a deal to curb worldwide greenhouse gas emissions and establish new mechanisms for subsidizing efforts by poor countries to adopt low-carbon energy technology or adapt to the effects of rising global temperatures. Among the more high profile groups demanding action are representatives of island nations who have warned their low-lying countries could be swamped if melting polar ice caps raise ocean levels.

At the heart of the disputes in Copenhagen are sharp disagreements over money, which came to the fore again Monday.

Mamadou Honadia, who is part of the negotiating team for the African nation of Burkina Faso, said the G-77 had resumed talks with rich-nations, but was still unhappy that industrialized countries weren't giving longer-term financial commitments to poorer states.

"We need to see developed nations give us a plan of what (financial) transfers will come in five years, 10 years and how much over the years ahead, and we aren't seeing that," he said.

The EU has pledged €7.2 billion ($10.5 billion) in financing between next year and 2012 to jump-start the fight against climate change in developing countries.

A Nigerian delegation official said earlier Monday that a key reason for the walkout was under funding from rich nations. He said the E.U. offer for just over €7 billion in short-term funding was "pathetic."
Journal Community

At a press conference late Monday, European officials expressed indignation that some developing countries had criticized the EU's offer.
"We are the only part of the world that has put money on the table, and we're criticized for it," said Stavros Dimas, the EU environment commissioner.

Another official -- Jo Leinen, a member of the European Parliament from Germany -- called on the U.S. and China to set more aggressive targets for controlling their emissions, saying the two countries' offers aren't sufficient to stabilize the climate.

"There is a lot of mistrust between the countries -- you could see that it was a frozen atmosphere outside [the Bella Center] and a frozen atmosphere inside," Mr. Leinen said. Referring to China and the U.S., he added, "It would be helpful if two of the main stakeholders could come out of their very reserved and defensive positions."

The Copenhagen summit seeks to find a new agreement on international rules to limit global warming after 2012. Developing countries want to keep the structure of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol --which mandates rich nations, but not poorer countries nor the U.S.--to cut greenhouse gas emissions, with a new document to supplement it.

A member of the Chinese delegation said the country stands by the position that provisions under the Kyoto Protocol must be respected in any new pact. But U.S. negotiators have said they won't support

subsidies for China. The U.S. also never ratified the Kyoto Protocol, in part
because U.S. lawmakers objected to the proposal that rich nations should accept steady cuts in their use of fossil fuels, while China, India and other developing nations wouldn't face such restrictions and could, in theory, continue to expand their manufacturing at the expense of U.S. rivals.
Another sensitive issue in the Copenhagen talks surfaced Monday as China lashed out at the U.N. office in charge of approving carbon credits after it rejected 10 Chinese wind farm projects earlier this month and accused China of fudging the numbers to make them eligible for international subsidies.

"If you reject wind power, what else is there?" said Sun Cuihua, an official at the National Reform and Development Commission which overseas the U.N.-sanctioned clean development mechanism that creates carbon credits.

Under the CDM mechanism, rich countries can invest in carbon-abatement projects in poor countries and get carbon credits that can be traded.
"They say that we made up the electricity prices; that is not a responsible thing to say," Ms. Sun told reporters at a meeting where Chinese windfarm owners and developers issued a statement protesting the U.N. decision.

Even the G-77 isn't in total harmony as it heads into the final stretch of this meeting.

Saudi Arabia and Brazil sparred Monday over carbon capture and sequestration, something the kingdom is pushing to shore up its own emission-reduction efforts, according to an official from a G-77 nation familiar with the matter.

Brazil is concerned that CCS could dent its biofuels industry, as nations opt to burn more fossil fuels and bury emissions underground, rather than burn clean-burning biofuels such as ethanol, of which Brazil is a leader.
—Shai Oster contributed to this article.
 

Big P

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Copenhagen summit carbon footprint biggest ever: report

Sunanda Creagh
COPENHAGEN
Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:28pm EST

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - The Copenhagen climate talks will generate more carbon emissions than any previous climate conference, equivalent to the annual output of over half a million Ethiopians, figures commissioned by hosts Denmark show.
Green Business | COP15

Delegates, journalists, activists and observers from almost 200 countries have gathered at the Dec 7-18 summit and their travel and work will create 46,200 tonnes of carbon dioxide, most of it from their flights.

This would fill nearly 10,000 Olympic swimming pools, and is the same amount produced each year by 2,300 Americans or 660,000 Ethiopians -- the vast difference is due to the huge gap in consumption patterns in the two countries -- according to U.S. government statistics about per person emissions in 2006.

Despite efforts by the Danish government to reduce the conference's carbon footprint, around 5,700 tonnes of carbon dioxide will be created by the summit and a further 40,500 tonnes created by attendees' flights to Copenhagen.

The figure for the flights was calculated by the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), while the domestic carbon footprint from the summit was calculated by accountants Deloitte, said Deloitte consultant Stine Balslev.
"This is much bigger than the last talks because there are many more people here," she said, adding that 18,000 people were expected to pass through the conference center every day.

"These are preliminary figures but we expect that when we do the final calculations after the conference is over, the carbon footprint will be about the same."

Deloitte included in their calculations emissions caused by accommodation, local transport, electricity and heating of the conference center, paper, security, transport of goods and services as well as energy used by computers, kitchens, photocopiers and printers inside the conference center.
Accommodation accounted for 23 percent of the summit's greenhouse gas emissions in Copenhagen, while transport caused 7 percent. Seventy percent came from activities inside the conference center, she said.

"We have been forced to put up some temporary buildings in order to provide the delegation rooms because the number of participants is so much larger than expected," said Balslev.

"For instance the U.S. delegation has ordered an area that's five times as big as last year."
The temporary buildings housing delegation offices are not well insulated and are warmed by oil heaters, so this area is the most energy-wasteful, she said.

The researchers assumed that 60 percent of conference participants would catch public transport to and from the conference but Balslev said that was probably optimistic.

Balslev said most of the energy used by the conference was from coal fired power stations that power the electricity grid, but some was from wind power.
(Additional reporting by Emma Graham-Harrison, Editing by Dominic Evans)


 

Big P

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Natural disasters at decade low in 2009-UN report
14 Dec 2009 13:06:47 GMT
Source: Reuters



By Richard Cowan


COPENHAGEN, Dec 14 (Reuters) - The world this year suffered the fewest number of natural disasters in a decade, but floods, droughts and other extreme weather continued to account for most of the deaths and economic losses, according to a United Nations report released on Monday.


There were 245 natural disasters recorded this year, down from the decade high of 434 in 2005, said the UN International Strategy for Disaster Reduction.


The figures were released mid-way through an international climate conference in which 192 nations hope to nail down new firm targets for reducing carbon pollution, which is blamed for a long-term trend in more extreme weather.


Of the 245 disasters, 224 were weather-related and accounted for 7,0000 deaths out of the 8,900, according to the preliminary figures. The weather-related deaths, which exclude geological events such as earthquakes and volcanoes, caused $15 billion in damages, out of a total of $19 billion, the report said.


The lower figures for 2009 were "good news", but "extreme weather disasters remain the top of the list and will continue to affect more and more people in the future" who are living in coastal regions, said Margareta Wahlstrom, the UN special representative of the Secretary-General for Disaster Risk Reduction.


Another UN study released on Monday said that by 2050, ocean acidity could increase by 150 percent and that by 2100, 70 percent of cold-water corals that are feeding grounds for commercial fish species will be exposed to corrosive waters.


Last week, scientists at the Copenhagen international climate conference said oceans absorb about 25 percent of all carbon dioxide emitted by humans each year.


World Meteorological Organization Secretary-General Michel Jarraud said that progress in monitoring and forecasting extreme weather, along with improved emergency preparedness, has helped reduce fatalities.

"While the numbers of disasters and related economic losses have

increased between 10 and 50 times (over the last 50 years), the reported
loss of life has dramatically been reduced by a factor of 10," Jarraud said.

People living in Asia were especially vulnerable to storms and floods, the report said. It found that in the first 11 months of this year, 48 million Asians were affected, of the 58 million total.


Last week, the WMO said 2009 would likely be the fifth warmest on record and that the first decade of this century would be the hottest since record-keeping began in 1850.

Major developed countries are hoping the Copenhagen meetings end this week with a promise to stop global temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius from pre-industrial levels. That goal, they hope, will rein in the extreme weather patterns scientists see intensifying in coming decades.

But island nations, which increasingly are threatened by rising sea levels, want a
 

Woomeister

Well-Known Member
and yes you can garantee you were safe with Bush

you think your safer with Obama?

whos really the one with the blinders on:









too bad Iraq is doing great now, too bad now you cant scream bloody murder at this photo of a hero who freed millions and set them on a path for greatness



yes I can feel safe with bush or Mcain,


obama???? I have serious doubts:















but hey man im an optimist I hope im wrong.
Im English and dont really give a fuck about your politic nonsense. As for the comment 'Iraq is doing great now' my God you are ignorant to whats going on there arent you. Do you know that the Shii and Sunni are fighting for a divided Iraq? You saw the bombs a few days back that killed nearly 200 people and wounded many more. Yep they are doing great...
 

Woomeister

Well-Known Member
and lets not forget the taliban spread across afghanistan in direct challange to the new admin

im pretty sure they would not be doing that if they still had the fear of bush up thier ass



i promise you bush did more to scare the diarea outa them than anyone else ever has

The Taliban has grown considerably since the concerted effort to wipe out poppy farming. The only livelihood they have, that was a wise move wasnt it. The British army are now activley helping the Afghans start their farms up again in the Helmand province to stop the shift from farmer to fighter...which would you prefer smackheads and related crime or planes hitting buildings???
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Can you imagine if Roosevelt made a public broadcast that he had a new strategy with Germany, and if it doesn't work in a year he'll shift?

Uhh, never indicate ur intentions during war. Never make a time table public. Ever..... we leave when the opposition is crushed, period.
 
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