single policy saves more than 3500 lives

[jeff f]

new airline policy will be all late teen to 38 yrs old muslim men will be stripped searched before flying or using any form of public transportation. in addition any luggage they have will be opened and inspected.

zero dead on 911
zero dead england tunnel
zero dead spain train

simple policy 2 sentences long solves those three problems. what wrong, if anything with this?

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

How do you tell here muslim? Is that a religion? I agree it's not hard to tell the real trouble makers,,,especially if you were born and bread in the USA, Fought for the USA,,and are still treated like the criminal at the border, and airports,,,The borders I refer to are canadian,,,the airports are the biggest, There to busy searcing white grannie's and letting all the Racially profiled thru,,,To me sounds and smells like RAT'S,,,We have problems for sure,,,What is your solution,without infringing on my freedom? I know your right and I'm Left,,,all sides apart?

 

[chitownsmoking]

thats a bullshit law

 

[Woomeister]

new airline policy will be all late teen to 38 yrs old muslim men will be stripped searched before flying or using any form of public transportation. in addition any luggage they have will be opened and inspected.

zero dead on 911
zero dead england tunnel
zero dead spain train

simple policy 2 sentences long solves those three problems. what wrong, if anything with this?

The british shoe bomber (failed bomber!) white, failed detroit plane bomber, black. I see some flaws already...

 

[jeff f]

How do you tell here muslim? Is that a religion? I agree it's not hard to tell the real trouble makers,,,especially if you were born and bread in the USA, Fought for the USA,,and are still treated like the criminal at the border, and airports,,,The borders I refer to are canadian,,,the airports are the biggest, There to busy searcing white grannie's and letting all the Racially profiled thru,,,To me sounds and smells like RAT'S,,,We have problems for sure,,,What is your solution,without infringing on my freedom? I know your right and I'm Left,,,all sides apart?

i think that what i posted should be the policy until we notice a change in the numbers. we are infringing more on regular people rights than the rights of the terrorists. this should be the major point in the whole security package. they would have to show up a little earlier for the search but it would oly involve very few people and the resto f us could get on with our lives.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

To me the reason we were attacked on Sept,11th 2001 was due to a long run on the Bush history of America,,,George the head of CIA, George the Vice presedent, George the President,,,George's son the President,,,Bush policie's have destroyed american trust thoughout the world many times over look it up. Stop bashing a Black dude in his first year he is your president.

 

[Woomeister]

i think that what i posted should be the policy until we notice a change in the numbers. we are infringing more on regular people rights than the rights of the terrorists. this should be the major point in the whole security package. they would have to show up a little earlier for the search but it would oly involve very few people and the resto f us could get on with our lives.

It would also tell the terrorists what colour they needed to be to help them to get away with the next attrocity.

 

[jeff f]

The british shoe bomber (failed bomber!) white, failed detroit plane bomber, black. I see some flaws already...

shoe bomber...not so white.

 

[Woomeister]

So he has some Jamaican in his blood.

 

[ruderalis88]

what is "england tunnel"?

if it's the Channel Tunnel fire in 2008, nobody died in that anyway, and it's not really regarded as having been a terrorist attack anyway...

if it's something else, what?


your new policy would probably stop a few terrorists, and would stop "infringing" on the rights of anyone who was non-muslim, outwith the age group, or female.

But what about "infringing" on the rights of the muslim males who'd be getting searched but would be innocent anyway?
And what about the non muslims or females with terrorist intent, you'd just let them walk onboard, no scans or searches or anything?

Besides, getting searched before getting on an aircraft is NOT an infringement on anyone's human rights. It's a minor inconvenience maybe, but absolutely not an infringement on human rights, geez.
If anything, it creates jobs in the security industry, and what western economy wouldn't welcome a bit higher an employment rate this year eh?

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

what is "england tunnel"?

if it's the Channel Tunnel fire in 2008, nobody died in that anyway, and it's not really regarded as having been a terrorist attack anyway...

if it's something else, what?


your new policy would probably stop a few terrorists, and would stop "infringing" on the rights of anyone who was non-muslim, outwith the age group, or female.

But what about "infringing" on the rights of the muslim males who'd be getting searched but would be innocent anyway?
And what about the non muslims or females with terrorist intent, you'd just let them walk onboard, no scans or searches or anything?

Besides, getting searched before getting on an aircraft is NOT an infringement on anyone's human rights. It's a minor inconvenience maybe, but absolutely not an infringement on human rights, geez.
If anything, it creates jobs in the security industry, and what western economy wouldn't welcome a bit higher an employment rate this year eh?

You spamming me?

 

[ruderalis88]

You spamming me?

i most certainly am not bro! how could you think such a thing haha

 

[jeff f]

what is "england tunnel"?

if it's the Channel Tunnel fire in 2008, nobody died in that anyway, and it's not really regarded as having been a terrorist attack anyway...

if it's something else, what?


your new policy would probably stop a few terrorists, and would stop "infringing" on the rights of anyone who was non-muslim, outwith the age group, or female.

But what about "infringing" on the rights of the muslim males who'd be getting searched but would be innocent anyway?
And what about the non muslims or females with terrorist intent, you'd just let them walk onboard, no scans or searches or anything?

Besides, getting searched before getting on an aircraft is NOT an infringement on anyone's human rights. It's a minor inconvenience maybe, but absolutely not an infringement on human rights, geez.
If anything, it creates jobs in the security industry, and what western economy wouldn't welcome a bit higher an employment rate this year eh?

london subway, they call it the tube i believe. couple hundred died as i recall.

there have been no women terrorists yet and there has been no non-muslims. the age and muslim parameters woudl have stopped everyone of them.

 

[jeff f]

It would also tell the terrorists what colour they needed to be to help them to get away with the next attrocity.

they have all been one color, every last one of them. and they have all been 18-38.

when we went after the mob, did we concentrate on the chinese neighborhoods?

when we go after the mexican drug cartels do we concentrate on the irish?

when england went after the ira did they search in jewish neighborhoods?

what the fuck is so special about a muslim that all the sudden we have to change the entire way we conduct security?

its bullshit and its gonna bring down our country unless addressed.

 

[ruderalis88]

london subway, they call it the tube i believe. couple hundred died as i recall.

there have been no women terrorists yet and there has been no non-muslims. the age and muslim parameters woudl have stopped everyone of them.

oh yeah ok, my bad, the word tunnel doesn't ring the London Underground bell in my head. they also blew up a couple of buses.

there have been no women terrorists to attack the west YET, but actually al quaeda are quite keen on training young women as suicide bombers; theyre less likely to look out of place with a bomb vest strapped round them under their clothes than a guy is.

EDIT: there have been no non-muslim terrorists in the RECENT attacks, but it's not that long ago that 'terrorists' (certainly in the UK) meant the northern irish, or the Basques, or what about the Tamil Tigers?

setting up a policy of searching a particular group is just going to let the terrorists know that if someone outwith that group is sent, they'll definitely succeed. younger or older males than your parameters for example.

granted, the particular attacks you've named would have been prevented by this policy, bu just because those who have succeeded in the past fit the description does not mean that everyone who still wants or intends to terrorise the west does too. it's just a logical fallacy to assume that all future threats will be posed by the same group as past threats have been.

how do you justify the obvious racism and religious discrimination the policy entails?

surely even if you can excuse this discrimination then you must accept that it will infuriate the muslim population of the world even more, giving them further cause to attack the US?

 

[jrh72582]

they have all been one color, every last one of them. and they have all been 18-38.

when we went after the mob, did we concentrate on the chinese neighborhoods?

when we go after the mexican drug cartels do we concentrate on the irish?

when england went after the ira did they search in jewish neighborhoods?

what the fuck is so special about a muslim that all the sudden we have to change the entire way we conduct security?

its bullshit and its gonna bring down our country unless addressed.

In addition to the bigotry you're spittin, you've also committed another logical fallacy. Slippery slope. Please refrain from using fallacy - present logical arguments (and preferably not ridiculously bigoted ones).

And BTW - are you really, in all seriousness, suggesting that we profile every male member of one of the world's largest religions? Seriously?

 

[PadawanBater]

What I want to know is how do you plan on singling out the Muslim males from other non Muslim males that just might happen to have brown skin? Last time I checked I couldn't tell the difference between a Christian/non Christian, same goes for Muslims... We don't have to disclose our religion to check into airports, so that won't work.

R88 brought up a good point. The backlash it would receive. I'd like you to address that too jeff.

 

[jrh72582]

What I want to know is how do you plan on singling out the Muslim males from other non Muslim males that just might happen to have brown skin? Last time I checked I couldn't tell the difference between a Christian/non Christian, same goes for Muslims... We don't have to disclose our religion to check into airports, so that won't work.

R88 brought up a good point. The backlash it would receive. I'd like you to address that too jeff.

And address how you'll pay for the added infrastructure involved with your horribly bigoted plan.

 

[medicineman]

I'm not as hostile as most conservatives,(Bless their tiny tiny hearts), but in the airline business, I agree with some racial profiling. If one fits the basic description of a terrorists, they should be X-rayed, or strip searched. I'm a 60+ year old white dude and for 5 years I had to go through the bomb sniffer, really now, Did anyone really suspect me or was there a screwup in the register of names? If one looks and behaves a little sketchy, run them through the tightest search, all the way to their crotches.

 

[Dragline]

Maybe next you can just wipe your ass with the constitution.