Apple Tree

[fdd2blk]

So the rootstock from the previous tree is pre-programmed ONLY for the previous tree size? So even grafting a larger tree branch to the smaller root stock will result in a smaller tree. Excellent.

So this suggests that roots DO send out feeler roots to 'mark out their territory' which explains why the roots of my plants head to the outside of the pots. They mark it out and then settle down. no root bound (at least not in the sense we all presume), they just mark out how much space they have then settle down to collect what nutrients are present in the area. If there is a limited amount the plant above will not grow very big (referring to growing from seed).

Although grafting a 'larger' tree to a small tree root stock should not result in a 'smaller' tree so long as sufficient nutrients are being fed to it... unless the tree is only fed sufficient nutrients for the smaller tree. More likely, is that the tree is smaller when it starts producing apples, and not generally a smaller tree.

If this pisses you off because I haven't clicked the link, just ignore me... that'll force me to click the link.

i have a miniature lemon tree. it is the branch of a normal tree grafted to a dwarf tree stalk. i've had it for over 10 years. it is in the same 4(?) gallon pot it came in. it produces 100's of lemons each year. one year i grew a 2 ounce cola alongside it in the same pot. my marijuana plant grew up thru the center of the lemon tree. people would walk right by and not even notice. i have no pics of the bud though. it was before digital cameras were affordable.

 

[skunkushybrid]

So this is just like cloning... only you're giving it a ready made root stock. But the branch will be as old as the tree it came from, therefore ready to start producing sooner.

Do you prune it to keep it in check... does it keep growing?

 

[tusseltussel]

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1996-10-01/Dwarf-Fruit-Trees.aspxhere check this link out it's a prty good read

 

[tusseltussel]

i think ive read sumwhere that with evergreen trees the roots are trimed over a period of time to attain a dwarf variety

 

[skunkushybrid]

I've tried, but I keep getting a 'this page cannot be found' screen.

 

[tusseltussel]

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organtry this

I've tried, but I keep getting a 'this page cannot be found' screen.

 

[7xstall]

johny apple seed did not graft but it is standard practice now and for the reasons i said erlyer, what your saying is how to make dwarf plants which is completly diffrnt do some resurch you will find the reason for grafting just as i said, thats the way it is ask a local nurserymen or do the research because grafting is used for many more reasons than creating dwarf varieties, it is done to get the same results every time, grow from seed you may get somthing edible but probably not. you graft to a rootstock of a smaller tree and you get a smaller tree

yes, the size will be stunted because of the limited resources the more compact roots provide.

think about what you're saying about the rest though:

grow a seed and let it mature to the point that you can cut off limbs to graft onto another rootstock.

the limb that you cut off will produce different fruit from the limbs that you did not cut off from the original tree.

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see what i'm getting at?

the fruit is the same, i promise.






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[7xstall]

nevermind, i think i see what tussel is really getting at - phenos... you'd grow several seeds and see which one produces the best apples. cut limbs from good producers and graft onto inferior rootstock.






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[tusseltussel]

if i could get that link i put up to work it explains the concept. but basically you graft a limb from a known good producer to a rootstock from a small bush that is in the same general family and that limb takes on the bush like growth but keeps the limbs other traits

 

[tusseltussel]

ok i posted this erlyr but was on my crapy laptop and it didn't seem to go through it probably won't be as good this time but her goes... it's kinda like cloning marijuana you want to find a female and clone it, grow it from seed and you dnt know what your gonna get, could be male, could be female. you clone it to get the same genetics as the mother, the same applies with fruit trees only your not looking for a female. grow from seed and you don't know what your gonna get, could be edible, could be crap but will not be the same as what it came from. So you want a good mother tree and graft a branch from that tree to a rootstock from another tree of the same general family. thair is actually 2 ways you can vegitativly propigate fruit trees, grafting,and budding. budding is a whole nother topic but if you all want i can explain how to graft and bud trees but im not gonna type all that unless you want me to... i have sucesfully grafted trees but never actually budded them although i can look it up in my tree fruit production manual.

 

[fdd2blk]

So this is just like cloning... only you're giving it a ready made root stock. But the branch will be as old as the tree it came from, therefore ready to start producing sooner.

Do you prune it to keep it in check... does it keep growing?

it grows a lot better when i prune it. i just pruned it about 2 months ago.


taken this evening....

 

[tokeybear]

I planted some seeds today! haha funny coincidence.

 

[skunkushybrid]

it grows a lot better when i prune it. i just pruned it about 2 months ago.


taken this evening....
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...and that could sit quite happily in that pot for years? How fast do lemon trees grow... around about?

You ever grafted a cannabis clone to another cannabis plants root stock after you harvested it?

You ever noticed that the roots are the last to go. I placed a root stock in my garden last year, it wasn't covered as such, just put it in a crater and kicked some dirt over it. It was winter though... it was more just to see what would happen. the plant stem that was left had rotted aftera couple of months, was stil there but rotted... but the roots didn't seem damaged as badly.

You know in nepal, they harvest their plants twice? They would produce again, only I believe bad farming techniques are what leads to the cannabis trees trunks snapping... or falling over as they stretch.

I've never seen these trees, just read about them... but the fact that the only thing stopping them from growing any more must be low access to light and root space, is what leads me to believe that with the right farming techniques cannabis could become a perennial tree.

 

[tusseltussel]

...and that could sit quite happily in that pot for years? How fast do lemon trees grow... around about?

You ever grafted a cannabis clone to another cannabis plants root stock after you harvested it?

You ever noticed that the roots are the last to go. I placed a root stock in my garden last year, it wasn't covered as such, just put it in a crater and kicked some dirt over it. It was winter though... it was more just to see what would happen. the plant stem that was left had rotted aftera couple of months, was stil there but rotted... but the roots didn't seem damaged as badly.

You know in nepal, they harvest their plants twice? They would produce again, only I believe bad farming techniques are what leads to the cannabis trees trunks snapping... or falling over as they stretch.

I've never seen these trees, just read about them... but the fact that the only thing stopping them from growing any more must be low access to light and root space, is what leads me to believe that with the right farming techniques cannabis could become a perennial tree.

hmmm interesting thought.. what plant family is cannabis in, you need to find a good hardy tree of the same fam, than grow a thick stemed cannabis plant to get a good branch to graft(you know like the monsters fdd grows), only thing is it will still grow like cannabis and after it flowers im not to sure it will be able to go dormant for winter and then veg again. maybe it will, start an experiment

 

[skunkushybrid]

hmmm interesting thought.. what plant family is cannabis in, you need to find a good hardy tree of the same fam, than grow a thick stemed cannabis plant to get a good branch to graft(you know like the monsters fdd grows), only thing is it will still grow like cannabis and after it flowers im not to sure it will be able to go dormant for winter and then veg again. maybe it will, start an experiment

Cannabis is the super plant... a genetic supremo that has no classification.

I'd love to do the experiment... unfortunately with the laws in my country I'd be swiftly kidnapped and held hostage for a period of time. whereby, i'd severely miss my family, and have to settle for fortnighly visits, while being subjected to the tortures that are loss of liberty and... daytime t.v.

 

[tusseltussel]

Cannabis is the super plant... a genetic supremo that has no classification.

I'd love to do the experiment... unfortunately with the laws in my country I'd be swiftly kidnapped and held hostage for a period of time. whereby, i'd severely miss my family, and have to settle for fortnighly visits, while being subjected to the tortures that are loss of liberty and... daytime t.v.

me too, but maybe some day it will be legal to have a cannabis tree outside my kitchen window or in the front yard, be a good shade tree to sit under

 

[skunkushybrid]

With the right farming techniques it could be planted all over the world... and quite literally save mankind from its greed all at the same time.

Cannabis is the enemy of those that seek to keep us controlled.

although I do believe that eventually everyone will change, and that cannabis will have to be legalised. i just hope that it is within my lifetime.

 

[asiankatie]

apple trees. lol. thats so awesome

 

[skunkushybrid]

apple trees. lol. thats so awesome

Ah yes... i forgot all about that. the seeds are still in the freezer. I have plenty of time. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[tusseltussel]

ok so when i eat me an apple i like to cut it into little wedge like pieces and salt them lightly, i love it, my wife never heard or seen anyone do this, she thinks im crazy. how do you like your apples and do you think im crazy