Humboldt's Growing Adventures! Up & Away!

[Humboldt]

The quotes are pissing me off I don't know why it's acting up, please bear with me!

i smell editing. don't

u hate it when u do that lolz

. speaking of smell, how do the girls smell. i bet its nice.

catchyachazz

Yes, sometimes it takes me awhile to get prepared to post, I usually refresh before posting, however that time I didn't, smell is not bad, I can't really smell the girls unless I disturb them by moving them, they really smell if I gently pinch a bud, bushy and small have a different smell than mediocre, I'm thinking I have two different strains growing, mediocre smells more sweet like candy as busy and small smells more earthy but they are getting sticky as hell.



Thanks Bryan, updates on the new grow room are bellow,

i wouldn't worry too much, by the looks of your buds you are

gonna have a kick ass stony buzz for hours haha

I sure hope so masta and for days, but looks can me deceiving, since I've added more lights bellow in the middle I've been noticing them filling out more, could be normal but I'm thinking the extra light definitely helps...


Thanks tahoe, Iv'e been cleaning out the room, I'm going to be posting step by step pictures, isn't that what you all like? updates are bellow.

Yeah I'd say you dont' have much to worry about Humboldt...from I've read the big difference comes in the last few weeks....keep it up man you're doing awesome

Where'd you find CFLs for 89 cents!?

Thanks jomal for the info, I recently read that somewhere, I cant' wait until then, the bulbs I got at a place called the outpost discounted items, the bulbs are originally99cents witch is still good but when they went down 10cents I had to grab a handful.

soon your cfl fixture will have more power then a 1000 watt HPS

EDit and how did you set that cfl fixture up ? i either am gonna get a cooltubehps or some more cfls. if i get more cfls i need to make a new fixture. mine is a ghetto thing and only has 3 spots for vertical bulbs which will kill me when i need that vertical space

I've already got more watts than a 400whps but I don't think that makes any difference, I'm thinking it has more to do with lumens witch I'm still learning..lol.. maybe I should add them up as well to see what I got total.

Concerning the light fixture, I took some thin plywood build a frame around it, drilled holes down the middle/length of the board inserted fixtures then wired them, I'm using dollar store gift wrap for refection, I simply placed it out over the board and duct taped to the the other side, took two pieces of gift wrap .. only one buck and it seems to be working well, I'm using bolts with eyes chains and quick releases to easy lift and lower fixture.

If you go back a page or two you will see shots of the light fixture, may give you a better understanding as how I built it.

Thanks hot, Kiki is looking very nice as well, you know I'm thinking maybe stress to a plant could cause it to grow abnormally, I say this because bushy she was a little mistreated as a teanager and had been stressed out quite a bit, now she's bushy as hell as the others are more straight up, you mentioned in your journal that Kiki was the only surviver and she was obviously stressed at some point. (Just a Thought!)

Yes I used rooting hormone, I'm hoping I did everything right this time around as this could get expensive, bellow is a link to the list of things I used for this round cloning.

https://www.rollitup.org/326176-post90.html



Updates of the new room,

The room has it's own water supply if needed, how cool is that, it's like this room was made for growing.

Check it out it even comes with oder control


I cleaned it out today and got some measurements (7' 2" by 3' 7") I will be gutting it out soon but would like to salvage the shelving that is in there, I will be post ingupdates as I go.

Thank you all!

 

[lovethegreen]

Well the oder control closes the deal. lol. That looks like it gonna be a sweet set up when its already

 

[jomal206]

LMAO on the odor control!

Looks like a nice room to really get a nice grow going with some experience from this one!!

And it would be interesting to see how many lumens ya got there

 

[billybob88]

Good job Boldt. looks like your on your way to a really nice crop. check out how mine are, day 40.

 

[Humboldt]

Thanks for visiting lovethegreen, a couple more hundred of them fresheners should do the trick you think?

jomal what are you laughing at the fact that I misspelled odor or the freshener itself? j/k yeah I thought it to be cute.. also I added up my total watts and lumens, the results are bellow.


Thanks billybob, nice looking girl you have there, what type of lighting are you using, also do you have a grow journal? if so please post a link.


More lighting added I did and still not done,

If my calculations are correct I have 571w and 38900 lumens total, I have more lumens than a 250w hps and just over eleven thousand shy of a 400w, I have read that you can grow like 6 nice plants under a 250w hps and 12 decent plants under a 400w hps, so I'm thinking three plants should do awesome with 38900 lumens, heck if I had more room I could ad a few more plants.


I found the following while searching on how many lumens are in a 400whps, I found some answers, maybe you will too.



Watts have nothing to do with light or growth. Watts measure how much power a light fixture uses to produce light. You can tell how efficient a light bulb is by looking at watts. A 23 watt CFL produces as much light as a 100 watt incandescent...even though the incandescent has more watts, it's useless. See what I mean?

What you care about is light...more specifically, light energy. That's what plants use during photosynthesis/growth. Light is measured in lumens. In my experience and reading, lumen amounts per sq. ft./sq. m. look like this

2000 lumens sq. ft./21500 lumens sq. m. = Absolute minimum for growth. You won't get much from this, especially after the plant has grown a bit. Not really enough to flower well.

3000 lumens sq. ft./32250 lumens sq. m. = Pretty Good growth. Enough light for the entire light cycle, although your yields may be lower.
4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

Over 5000 lumens sq. ft./53750 lumens sq. m. = Optimal growth. Dense growth in all stages.

Keep in mind that using reflectors, using mylar or having flat white walls, and keeping your lights close to your plants keep you from wasting lumens. It's not just about having light, it's about getting the light to your plants. IMO, people ofter overbuy lights. This creates more light, but the light isn't always hitting the plants. And that creates more heat and ventilation issues, which causes stress problems.

That's why it's still impossible to tell anything about growth or yield based on just lumens. A guy that has an HPS that is too far away from plants that have no walls near them and no ventilation may get poorer results than a grower with CFLs that uses reflectors and has a couple of lights under the canopy in a well-ventilated spot.

HPS lights are often said to generate more heat than CFLs. That's not really true...it's just that they are more efficient at producing light, and there's a smaller surface area on the bulb itself for the resulting heat to dissipate. That means more ventilation. But the higher amount of lumens per watt means you use less power and get greater light penetration through your canopy. Still, I'm a believer that well used CFL's can give you great grows with less ventilation and heat issues. If you're in a small to very small area (less than 4 sq. ft./.25 sq. m.), I'd consider the advantages of CFLs in that way.

But HPS is more efficient. A typical 250 watt HPS bulb/unit will produce about 27,000 lumens. I've seen people use a 250w in a 3' x 3' room and get good results. That's 9 sq. ft. which = 3000 lumens a sq. ft. (Really, a 250w HPS is better in a smaller area.) to give you an idea of the difference in efficiency of CFL vs. HPS, think of this.

23w CFL = 1600 lumens = 69.6 lumens/watt
30w CFL = 2000 lumens = 66.7 lumens/watt
40w CFL = 2600 lumens = 66.3 lumens/watt

compared to

150w HPS = 14000 lumens = 93.3 lumens/watt
250w HPS = 28000 lumens = 112 lumens/watt
400w HPS = 50000 lumens = 125 lumens/watt
600w HPS = 90000 lumens = 150 lumens/watt

So you can see that HPS is more efficient than CFL...and as you get into bigger HPS bulbs, it becomes a lot more efficient. There's also fewer hassles with multiple cords and saved money on your energy bill. If you've got a big area and/or you can deal with the heat and ventilation, HPS is the way to go in flowering. Still, I'm a believer in small HPS lights and combo HPS/CFL grows...if you've got a 2' x 2' room, you can use a 150w HPS and 4 23w CFLs from Wal-Mart and get a terrific grow with very few heat issues.



I just may do that, use my new grow room for hps, cfls and flos that should be a good combo you think? throw in a mh in the mix should be an ultimate grow room for all stages of growth.

Keep on growing! thanks for all the support people!

 

[billybob88]

2 600 hps's. 180,000 lumens. your right boldt, you should do that man. i grow my veg plants with a 250mh i picked up for 150 bucks! used but with a brand new bulb and a hydrofarm reflector and sunleaves ballast. i suggest for ur next one pick up an hps and a mh you will be tickled. ur cfl grow is lookin great tho. but i think ur ready to take the next step big dog!

 

[lovethegreen]

Man that post rocked I'm bookmarkin it. Thanks man on a side note:
I'm using a 250 mh with a hydro farm reflector and ballast I picked mine up for $51.00 on ebay came with an 80.00 bulb too. I thought it was a sweet deal.

 

[joeblow420]

Them are some nice little bushes, Im impressed with how the CLF seem to work.. I cant wait to get started myself... I also cant wait to see what your buds look like, and how well they yield.. I would say so far so good from what I see here, hope all goes well for ya

 

[jomal206]

That's a very nice little write up you got there man

I was laughing at the odor control itself LOL

That's awesome you're 1000 lumens away from an HPS!

 

[pencap]

Watts have nothing to do with light or growth. Watts measure how much power a light fixture uses to produce light. You can tell how efficient a light bulb is by looking at watts. A 23 watt CFL produces as much light as a 100 watt incandescent...even though the incandescent has more watts, it's useless. See what I mean?

What you care about is light...more specifically, light energy. That's what plants use during photosynthesis/growth. Light is measured in lumens. In my experience and reading, lumen amounts per sq. ft./sq. m. look like this

2000 lumens sq. ft./21500 lumens sq. m. = Absolute minimum for growth. You won't get much from this, especially after the plant has grown a bit. Not really enough to flower well.

3000 lumens sq. ft./32250 lumens sq. m. = Pretty Good growth. Enough light for the entire light cycle, although your yields may be lower.
4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

Over 5000 lumens sq. ft./53750 lumens sq. m. = Optimal growth. Dense growth in all stages.

Keep in mind that using reflectors, using mylar or having flat white walls, and keeping your lights close to your plants keep you from wasting lumens. It's not just about having light, it's about getting the light to your plants. IMO, people ofter overbuy lights. This creates more light, but the light isn't always hitting the plants. And that creates more heat and ventilation issues, which causes stress problems.

That's why it's still impossible to tell anything about growth or yield based on just lumens. A guy that has an HPS that is too far away from plants that have no walls near them and no ventilation may get poorer results than a grower with CFLs that uses reflectors and has a couple of lights under the canopy in a well-ventilated spot.

HPS lights are often said to generate more heat than CFLs. That's not really true...it's just that they are more efficient at producing light, and there's a smaller surface area on the bulb itself for the resulting heat to dissipate. That means more ventilation. But the higher amount of lumens per watt means you use less power and get greater light penetration through your canopy. Still, I'm a believer that well used CFL's can give you great grows with less ventilation and heat issues. If you're in a small to very small area (less than 4 sq. ft./.25 sq. m.), I'd consider the advantages of CFLs in that way.

But HPS is more efficient. A typical 250 watt HPS bulb/unit will produce about 27,000 lumens. I've seen people use a 250w in a 3' x 3' room and get good results. That's 9 sq. ft. which = 3000 lumens a sq. ft. (Really, a 250w HPS is better in a smaller area.) to give you an idea of the difference in efficiency of CFL vs. HPS, think of this.

23w CFL = 1600 lumens = 69.6 lumens/watt
30w CFL = 2000 lumens = 66.7 lumens/watt
40w CFL = 2600 lumens = 66.3 lumens/watt

compared to

150w HPS = 14000 lumens = 93.3 lumens/watt
250w HPS = 28000 lumens = 112 lumens/watt
400w HPS = 50000 lumens = 125 lumens/watt
600w HPS = 90000 lumens = 150 lumens/watt

So you can see that HPS is more efficient than CFL...and as you get into bigger HPS bulbs, it becomes a lot more efficient. There's also fewer hassles with multiple cords and saved money on your energy bill. If you've got a big area and/or you can deal with the heat and ventilation, HPS is the way to go in flowering. Still, I'm a believer in small HPS lights and combo HPS/CFL grows...if you've got a 2' x 2' room, you can use a 150w HPS and 4 23w CFLs from Wal-Mart and get a terrific grow with very few heat issues.

That is the SHIT man!!! Been looking for that kind o info for a week!!!!! I'll be using 2 150 hps, + 1 (maybe more) 40 watt cfl ( 2600 lumens)l, with a maximum lumen output of, ummmmm 30,600 lumens...in a 6' sq ft area....math withholding, I'll be getting, um.....over 5,000 lumens per foot...am i right??? Optimum output for minimum cost....spent 48 bucks on light, getting 30,000 plus lumens! 2 hps 150 watters off of amazon.com for 16 bucks each!!!! Should be here today!!! Germinating some Thai freebies to exp with before germinating ICE. Soil to DWC transplant. wish me luck...


Humbolt....by the last pics, it looks like yer ready for harvest!!! 1/2 of your "hairs" have gone red............!!!! Way to go!! I love this post!!!! Do you plan on CFL's in yer new room? More cat pics too!! She's waiting on the "humbolts special catnip" she knows whats up!!!! LOL!

 

[pencap]

BTW, what has been your total cost in lamps, so far, as to the price of a 250 watt mh???
you got a zillion cfls.....what did the total cost run you??? in bulbs alone, that is????
Sockets....and how has your elec. bill been doing, noticeable?

 

[DOT5262]

whats the size of your new grow room ?

 

[majim420]

MEN UR DOING AWSOME!!!!!!, keep the good work, hopefully im making a trip to the states pretty soon, im gonna buy everything i need for at least a year, so i dont run out of supllies, pretty soon i'll be growing again, goood luck keep up the post, dont u feel tempted to snap some of ur bud dired and smoke it!!
i know i Am!!!!

 

[wbinwv]

Looks AWESOME bro

Answer me a couple of questions, how many total CFL's do you have now? Also, how long have your females been flowering?

 

[Humboldt]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Damn billy, you think you have enough light and your only showing me one plant? I want to see more!, My plans for the new room is to have a 400w hps above the plants and cfls surrounding them.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Right on lovethegreen, glad that psot helped ya, are you using that mh for veg and flower?[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]joeblow, good to see you around, thanks for the comments, if you have any questions feel free to send me a pm, good luck to you and your grow.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I couldn't resist posting the odEr control, got some use out of that post as well eh, I'm bad with numbers, I don't know what I'd do without a calculator, It's more like 11000 shy of a 400w hps. (actually thought it was 1100) just added more, see updates bellow.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]pencap, Good Luck!, , glad to see ya around, I'm glad to see people are getting use out of that post, sounds like you got a pretty decent spread planned, please do post a link to your grow journal if you decide to create one.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I'm far from harvest, I'm only 32 days into flower, I plan on using hps plus cfls like yourself but on a slightly higher scale, see updates bellow.[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I don't have the time to calculate the total cost of the light setup, besides I don't I have all the receipts but I will say that it wasn't much and I spent probably less than 50 bucks on the bulbs and around or above 50 for the fixture accessories you'll need to realize that I started out with only a handful of cfls, I was able to shop wisely and gather equipment as I went (that's what's soo great about cfls) also I took advantage of the thrift stores. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]My electric bill has only gone up a buck maybe two, I'm still waiting for my second bill since I started this grow, running 400, 600 or even a 1000w hps 12 hours out the day is not going to put but maybe a dent into your bill, my heater at the lowest setting is 1500w, many of your household appliances are well over 1000w, specially this day and age... if you are concerned about your electric bill or suspicion of your electric bill, might want to consider using less appliances that are 1000w or higher .. for example, don't run your heater as much in the winter, freeze a bit if you must, I would in order to have my own smoke.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I cleaned it out today and got some measurements (7' 2" by 3' 7") I will be gutting it out soon but would like to salvage the shelving that is in there, I will be post ingupdates as I go.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Thanks majim, I do hope you manage to start growing again soon, I was really getting into your journal, maybe it was due to the fact of where you are as well as what you were working with, perhaps the next won't be as excited, lmao j/k I'm looking forward to your next journal.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Oh yeah I'm forever tempted to take a pinch, however I'd rather wait closer to harvest before doing that, in fact if the girls aren't ready by xmas, I'm going to clip atleast a branch.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]wb I had recently posted the answer to your question, it's on the previuos page .. but wait before you go back check out the updates bellow, I added what I think to be the finale touch, thanks for your enthusiasm. 32 days for busy/small and 26 days for mediocre.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Phew! now for the updates....[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Here's bushy at day 32,[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]If you will notice the yellowing/dying leaves, I'm thinking that is due to me not realizing how soon they start needing more water, I let bushy go bone dry for over a day before I realized she needed to drink, I normally feed bushy and mediocre every third day and small every other or second day, I suppose I'm going to have to feed like every second day, being that the plants are different I'm having to feed them different days, its actually getting a bit confusing..lmao, I will get the hang of it though...[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]The finale touch, I got a desk lamp today for a buck 50 and it had the flexable mechanism, immeadiatly a CFL went off above my head, I thought why not use it so that I'm able to better adjust the light in specifc areas, right now I'm focusing on the lower and middle side branches, if I feel they need more light toward the top .. No problem just need to bend the fixture up... I'm thinking about converting more like it..[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I think![/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]I removed three of the 23 watts and added four more 26, the three that are in the middle and the front right lower bulb, now have 18 26w - 7 23w totaling 629w and 41800 lumens surrounding the girls, damn close to the 400w hps and I'm able to place them closer also place them where I want. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]As requested![/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]To Be Continued![/FONT]

 

[Micheal Kelso]

Dood WTF your cat can fly??? That's pretty sweet - So it looks like you are about halfway or so of flowering... looking nice.

The Oder control holding up for you or is it getting stinky?

 

[PartyOf5]

chart for picking the amount of light for room size.

 

[Dr High]

wow your plants are looking goody goood!i bet youll hit at least 100 grams dried

 

[BryanG1983]

Loving all of this mate.
+rep for the post on the lights, big help much appreciated.

Have you made any progress with your new room?

 

[DOT5262]

wow someone has the cfl fever.. i bet you and fdd dont get along.... also you should put up a DIY on how to make a cfl setup like that. i would like to know