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[DST]

Thanks 1BMM, tell you what, at least it's a good dilemma!!! If the buds where crap then it would be a bit different....

So what's the story, I saw you mentioned before that work was slow for ya? Is that just the weather or not much building projects on the go? Always jobs for skilled tradesmen in the Netherlands, haha!!
A lot of the workmen here are from Germany, Poland, UK....hope it picks up for ya bru.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

you might see a stretch after you put a dose of veg nutes in and i doubt the leaves will go back to green but its not going to hurt your girl. some bitches are just fussy eaters, my lass wont eat gravy!?!?!?

 

[DST]

pi$$in masell Don.....wtf, doesn't like Gravy?? Mind boggling.

Been thinking more about it, I doubt I am gonna change this time around (certainly don't need them stretching anymore, lol). I have two Casey clones for the next round so they will be treated different from the start....just to see if it happens again....other than that, I will finish them and show that yellowing leaves is not the end of the world on a flowering MJ plant!! OR it will all turn out pants and I will head off into the sunset with a rather large Hat sandwich!!

 

[1badmasonman]

DST its kinda a mix of both. The economy is real bad right now. The construction markets are down by 65% in most states. Plus its been a long winter with record snow fall which puts the brakes on everything too. Funny you mentioned that bit about alot of work in Europe. I have a couple close friends in england that ive worked all over the us with and they keep telling me the same thing. Id love to be ablle to fly by the seat of my pants like i used to in my younger days but got kids now so not so easy. Things are stacking up though so once this snow is gone it will be all good. Probly better than its been in the last 2 years anyway.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

pi$$in masell Don.....wtf, doesn't like Gravy?? Mind boggling.

Been thinking more about it, I doubt I am gonna change this time around (certainly don't need them stretching anymore, lol). I have two Casey clones for the next round so they will be treated different from the start....just to see if it happens again....other than that, I will finish them and show that yellowing leaves is not the end of the world on a flowering MJ plant!! OR it will all turn out pants and I will head off into the sunset with a rather large Hat sandwich!!

man i know its an alien concept. were from up north where gravy goes with most things too. she even turns her nose up at mince and dumplings. it makes me sad.

aye im sure its not the be all and end all

you want gravy with your hat?

 

[DST]

Sounds good lad, one things for sure, the Global economy can only go in one direction - upwards. Just need these bloody financiers to start releasing capital so business can get on and invest for a change. I am in the Headhunting and Agency game and unfortunately, nobody has needed many heads that needed hunting in the last year or so.....saying that, we have just got a potential opening with a company that could lead to something very profitable....time will tell......

 

[DST]

man i know its an alien concept. were from up north where gravy goes with most things too. she even turns her nose up at mince and dumplings. it makes me sad.

aye im sure its not the be all and end all

you want gravy with your hat?

I find gravy with my Hat's essential. Helps those tough edgey bits slip down a bit easier.

I remember you saying that yerr lass didn't like bacon either, Don!! ffs, is she a real Northern Lass? Did she smack ye in the puss before she told you she loved you?

Women sometime eh. My wife doesn't like Garlic!!! I love the stuff!!

 

[1badmasonman]

DST so you are the guy who seeks out the new talent eh. That sounds like a pretty cool job. And yes i have to agree with u on the economy. Its in sad shape. It will slowly return i think, And when it does the days of bling bling will be long gone.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

I find gravy with my Hat's essential. Helps those tough edgey bits slip down a bit easier.brims and peaks i find its mandatory....

I remember you saying that yerr lass didn't like bacon either, Don!! ffs, is she a real Northern Lass? Did she smack ye in the puss before she told you she loved you?
i fixed her vegetarianism right up mate. and yeah she has smacked me right in the kisser before she told me she loved me. i asked her to tho hahaa
Women sometime eh. My wife doesn't like Garlic!!! I love the stuff!!

love it meself you can smell it growing wild in the parks round the toon in the summer.

 

[DST]

DST so you are the guy who seeks out the new talent eh. That sounds like a pretty cool job. And yes i have to agree with u on the economy. Its in sad shape. It will slowly return i think, And when it does the days of bling bling will be long gone.

It can be a very cool job, although you have to find people who want to do business with you first.....a lot of companies see us as the bad guys!!!

And lets hope bling bling is a thing thing of the past past!! The amount of credit people live their life on is quite amazing.

love it meself you can smell it growing wild in the parks round the toon in the summer.

garlic growing wild, hell yeh. sounds awesome.

I just paid the deposit on my new house today (the Greenhouse that is!!) whilst the snow fell all around, hahaha. I wouldn't mind growing garlic but I can't see the wife being happy with that...still trying to persaude her to let me get a couple of MJ girls in there as well I may just go down the route of buying a tomato closet for an outdoor grow this summer.

One thing the wife is up for, helping me do a guerrila grow. I was actually thinking of doing a kind of art experiment around Amsterdam (I have enough seeds - haha) Put out like 50 seedlings in random City Centre places, then see how long they stay for...I saw a couple of MJ plants growing wild in the city centre for quite some time one summer...should be a laugh me thinks....

Right, time.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

urban guerilla growing is such a hard task man, should be good for a giggle tho man!

 

[jigfresh]

Alright guys. I'm a few days late I know. Had to comment on the luger and his death being broadcast. I think it was during the lead up to the opening ceremonies when our network ran the story. They showed the video of the crash and the subsequent death smash young Nodar a total of 4 times. Just one after another... let's see that again. Wait... maybe a different angle. Made me sick. I couldn't watch any of them. Seeing someone lose their life is not something I (or anyone) ever needs to see.

Watching a sick loved one die is one thing. Watching a stranger die under horrific conditions is something entirely different. Oh... and of course when I went to google to check the guys name... the first suggestion when I typed luge was "luge trajedy video". Awesome.

Bless his poor parents.

Brighter note: I think leaves should be yellow and falling off by harvest time. I agree with FDD. If you feed them and treat them right the leaves should be green until you stop feeding them. Then they use up all that's left by the time to chop.

That being said, I think the only down side to keeping them green the whole time is 3. Longer cure time. Not as good taste. Leaving life in the plant.

I tend to agree wth someone who said that flushing tells the plant it's dying... so the plant goes into overdrive producing it's defense tools (trichs). That's my opinion at least.

I don't have any evidense, but I would disagree that leaving the leaves green increases potency. I would think it the other way, but not sure.

Bringing us to the yellow CJ plants. I don't know what you are doing to them, but I wouldn't worry too much. One thing to think of is flowering time. My CJ went 12 weeks. If yours have 7 more weeks you might want to use a little N. If you think there is only 3 left then don't do anything.

Should be fine no matter what though.

 

[jigfresh]

I said I would post a write up of the style I grew in. Here it is. Please ask questions if you want to know more.

What are the numbers on this grow? How many watts and how long was that plant vegged - plus how many were grown?

It looks like a 6' tall plant with a lot of time and effort spent training it over the whole life of the plant.

2 plants on the grow. 1 Casey Jones (pictured) 1 Sour Grape. They were vegged 8 weeks under 400w MH. They were treated horribly during veg... (didn't check ph... let both catch PM... let the grow space go to shit) otherwise I think it would have taken 6 weeks to acheive the same size.

Flowered under 400w HPS + 250w MH.

Sour Grape gave me 122 grams. Casey Jones 278 grams. Still working on the hash from the trim.

They were both around 3.5 feet tall. Never topped. Trained vigorously during veg. Trimmed a TON.

So... upsides of the grow/ style: It was fun and looked really cool.

Downsides: Too long veg time, very labor intensive, way too much trimmig involed (i think there was as much plant cut off as left growing), the only thing left in the 'middle' of the plant was tiny popcorn buds, meaning tons of trimming.

What I would do (and am going to do someday) is to grow shorter plants in levels. So instead of two tall ass plants... grow 4 plants half the height and have one 'on top' of the other. Cuts veg time in half and you don't have to cut away lots of plant to keep it off the light.

Now... how you could make this style truly successful I think would work but would take an EXTREME amount of effort on the growers part. What I beleive would work great is to not cut any branches at all, but to 'supercrop' them (break them a couple times) and tuck them back.

Here's what I mean... the giant buds I had going all around the outside of the plant were great. They all wighed in the neighborhood of 5-10 grams. Some more. (top cola of CJ was 15.5 grams and I even took out stem weight) Now all those tiny tiny buds in the middle weighed like 0.2 - 0.3 grams... and there were hundreds of them. Most people throw the popcorn in their trim... but this was probably half my wieght here. Also... becuase they were given full light they were all the most killer popcorn buds you've ever seen. It's funny they are all purpleish looking but tiny tiny.

So what I am gettng at is to take the secodary branches that would have been growing strait towards the light. Break them near the main branch they are growing off and send them backwards to the dark... then break them halfway and put the tip of the branch in the light. At the same time strip everything off the secondary branch that is 'below' the tip in the light. Sort of like lollipopping each secondary branch. I beleive doing this would have gotten me the big buds filling the screen. But like I said this seems extremely work intensive.

Now the comparison. I've really only done 1 real horizontal grow to compare to this vertical grow. In my flat grow same lights, DWC as well, same nutes, DIFFERENT strains however.

FLAT: yeilded 11.2 oz - veg time: 4 weeks - flower time : 11 weeks.

VERT: yeilded 14 oz - veg time: 8 weeks - flower time: 12 weeks.

Not very impressive. However if I would have had two Casey Jones plants I could have gotten more like 19-20 oz.

So there it is. I had a shit load of fun. Grew about the same amount I would have from going flat.

Two positves about vert. It seemed much easier to keep the lights cool. Also it was nice not having to reach across a canopy (if that makes sense).

I think this answers your questions. Please feel free to ask me more as well. I'm not trying to hide anything with this vert screen attempt.

 

[1badmasonman]

Nice comparison there jig. I was wondering what the difference would be. Theres alot of diffrent ways of growing each has its own pros and cons it seems. Im gonna try a flat screen of green this attempt. it will be my first on dwc and scrog so should be intresting. Gonna be awhile yet though.

 

[jigfresh]

Nice comparison there jig. I was wondering what the difference would be. Theres alot of diffrent ways of growing each has its own pros and cons it seems. Im gonna try a flat screen of green this attempt. it will be my first on dwc and scrog so should be intresting. Gonna be awhile yet though.

Big tip: Hook the screen to either the net pots or the lid of the DWC. This way if for some crazy reason the tank springs a leak, or you have to get in there for anything you will be able to. If the screen is hooked to the tank, or the walls, then the plants will not be able to be moved. See what I'm saying.

It probably wouldn't be an issue anyways... but something to watch out for using screens with DWC's.

 

[1badmasonman]

Yep thanks jig already pondered this. Im kinda stuck really, I dont know if id be better off packing more buckets in and going sog method with a trellis hung high to catch the main colas as they start to fall from getting to heavy. Theres a video on Youtube by limbo. Ill see if i can post it so you can see what i mean here. [youtube]3Sa1IIgmtqY[/youtube]. Bare with me folks im learning yet. Sweet here we go.

 

[1badmasonman]

By the way everybody i have nothing against growing in soil, Matter of fact i would rather grow in soil. Just cant keep having ups trucks continuously dropping off 60 pounds of soil evrey grow. That and sneeking it back out to get rid of it after grows is also a major reason why i have choosen to swith. ohh and DST that nosey old lady is quite athletic too lol

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

great comparison DST interesting pro's n cons for each.

 

[mcpurple]

dam this thread moves fast, ezpecaily when im asleep. dst its funny that u mentionded growing in the cities areas. thier was someone who planted a plant outside the courthouse and noone noticed till it was over a foot tall, it was hilarious

 

[DST]

I said I would post a write up of the style I grew in. Here it is. Please ask questions if you want to know more.



2 plants on the grow. 1 Casey Jones (pictured) 1 Sour Grape. They were vegged 8 weeks under 400w MH. They were treated horribly during veg... (didn't check ph... let both catch PM... let the grow space go to shit) otherwise I think it would have taken 6 weeks to acheive the same size.

Flowered under 400w HPS + 250w MH.

Sour Grape gave me 122 grams. Casey Jones 278 grams. Still working on the hash from the trim.

They were both around 3.5 feet tall. Never topped. Trained vigorously during veg. Trimmed a TON.

So... upsides of the grow/ style: It was fun and looked really cool.

Downsides: Too long veg time, very labor intensive, way too much trimmig involed (i think there was as much plant cut off as left growing), the only thing left in the 'middle' of the plant was tiny popcorn buds, meaning tons of trimming.

What I would do (and am going to do someday) is to grow shorter plants in levels. So instead of two tall ass plants... grow 4 plants half the height and have one 'on top' of the other. Cuts veg time in half and you don't have to cut away lots of plant to keep it off the light.

Now... how you could make this style truly successful I think would work but would take an EXTREME amount of effort on the growers part. What I beleive would work great is to not cut any branches at all, but to 'supercrop' them (break them a couple times) and tuck them back.

Here's what I mean... the giant buds I had going all around the outside of the plant were great. They all wighed in the neighborhood of 5-10 grams. Some more. (top cola of CJ was 15.5 grams and I even took out stem weight) Now all those tiny tiny buds in the middle weighed like 0.2 - 0.3 grams... and there were hundreds of them. Most people throw the popcorn in their trim... but this was probably half my wieght here. Also... becuase they were given full light they were all the most killer popcorn buds you've ever seen. It's funny they are all purpleish looking but tiny tiny.

So what I am gettng at is to take the secodary branches that would have been growing strait towards the light. Break them near the main branch they are growing off and send them backwards to the dark... then break them halfway and put the tip of the branch in the light. At the same time strip everything off the secondary branch that is 'below' the tip in the light. Sort of like lollipopping each secondary branch. I beleive doing this would have gotten me the big buds filling the screen. But like I said this seems extremely work intensive.

Now the comparison. I've really only done 1 real horizontal grow to compare to this vertical grow. In my flat grow same lights, DWC as well, same nutes, DIFFERENT strains however.

FLAT: yeilded 11.2 oz - veg time: 4 weeks - flower time : 11 weeks.

VERT: yeilded 14 oz - veg time: 8 weeks - flower time: 12 weeks.

Not very impressive. However if I would have had two Casey Jones plants I could have gotten more like 19-20 oz.

So there it is. I had a shit load of fun. Grew about the same amount I would have from going flat.

Two positves about vert. It seemed much easier to keep the lights cool. Also it was nice not having to reach across a canopy (if that makes sense).

I think this answers your questions. Please feel free to ask me more as well. I'm not trying to hide anything with this vert screen attempt.

So growing flat you done 20.9 grams per week. Vert you done 19.6 grams per week. Not much difference really when you do the sums. In fact spookily close

I still reckon if you add another plant in there (like you said) or two or three and half the veg time and the vert would win hands down, me finks.
To make a comparison between flat and vert with same flowering and veg times, and light/space would be the ultimate imho.
Still intrigued as to developments in the Jig grow room

Yep thanks jig already pondered this. Im kinda stuck really, I dont know if id be better off packing more buckets in and going sog method with a trellis hung high to catch the main colas as they start to fall from getting to heavy. Theres a video on Youtube by limbo. Ill see if i can post it so you can see what i mean here. [youtube]3Sa1IIgmtqY[/youtube]. Bare with me folks im learning yet. Sweet here we go.

Nice vid and cool grow. What strain was he growing (am I being stupid or did I miss that?) I am also not really understanding why he bothered with the net/screen, the plants looked sturdy enough not to bother...I could be wrong though, the medium he was growing in looked quite flexible..

ohh and DST that nosey old lady is quite athletic too lol

A cougar eh? lol....watch yerself pal, she may be after yer body...get worried if she asks you to come over and fix her plumbing

great comparison DST interesting pro's n cons for each.

See teacher after class, I know you meant Jig...didn't you?

dam this thread moves fast, ezpecaily when im asleep. dst its funny that u mentionded growing in the cities areas. thier was someone who planted a plant outside the courthouse and noone noticed till it was over a foot tall, it was hilarious

Sounds like fun...the courthouse eh