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[BigSkyBudTHC]

lights are on

thanks again for that gumby video. Just pulled 7 g's off one plants worth of trim. Making some gumby brownies and more gumby.

 

[BigSkyBudTHC]

how tall did she get big sky? .....rob

purple widow will grow tall and great outside.

the one i chopped the other day was 57 inches tall and gave me 88 grams.

still have my big girl, a 60+ inch plant and my mutant natural lst. both are getting chopped soon.

 

[FuZZyBUDz]

may i recomend the fox farm line to you? Lol

OH, no. im switching from those BASTARDS. almost done completely switching, introducing the new nutrients now. but no i need to get my levels of N-P in flowering right. in veg its easier to handle even in hydro, but in flowering i guess i tend to go a bit on too much P. but thats wat im werking on right now.

 

[Huh??]

you already know what imma say huh...i gotta spread more rep before repping you again...is that sweet tooth more on the indica sideto you

Thanks!
Correct,it's a sativa indica cross but indica dominant.

Wow! great harvest. Don't you trim first? Trimming all that after it's dried will be a nightmare!

Thanks.................

Thats the right way of drying ur MJ...
That bud looks ready...leaves pointing up...lovely!



It doesnt feel like a nightmare cuz u know its gonna taste sooo much better =P Hanging the plants whole makes for a slow drying so that all the chlorophyll will break down. Then when u trim it before curing, that lets them "sweat" and they will wreak

//peace

Couldn't have said it better myself.
It's more work but well worth it.I feel that a lot of people take the easy route when drying because they were either taught to trim right after chopping,or they don't want to have to put in the extra effort.It doesn't bother me though.After all I have been growing them for three months,might as well take my time drying them correctly too.

 

[groputillor]

pretty sure happy frog is just the soil...how did u like the full lineup though BIGSKY? i use grow big/TB/BB and have loved them so far but hear some of the "OG's" talk about how its just another one of those companies with clever marketing, any opinions?

and good stuff wayy up there^^^ grop and magnus

yea, F*ck fox farms, lol. im switchin ASAP. i use(d) those three too, im DONE, had to go get CAL-MAG today to fix my plant! lol

There's def some issues with their products. The liquids come out of the bottle about pH = 2.0, and their direction to start feeding TB at 12/12 is insane. TB doesn't have near enough N in it to support stretch. Their forumulas just don't jive with current knowledge on plant nutrition; none of them.

Hah! Yeah.. I'm still pissed about last year's FF-induced nute-burn pH-drop fuckfest..

I'm going DynaGro for now. I like the complete lack of urea N, and nice balance of ammonium and nitrate N (slow- and fast-acting, respectively), and good cal/mag content in all their products. The 9-3-6 FoliagePro is perfect up until the stretch halts; then I'm going to the 7-9-5 Liquid Grow. We'll see how that goes.

I'm not gonna get into a big argument and I'm not even on here that often so don't spend a bunch of time on a personal attack I won't see.. but I wanna throw my two cents into this so it doesn't get left with half the info.

All the specialized nutirent lines out there can give you great results if you know what each of them doesn't include. Switching lines just gives you something new to figure out. You can almost never follow a company's guide exactly. Cmon it's just common sense that you don't start with the same strength you need to finish. Cal Mag is a definite, always. If you're using a super high phosphorus fert like the FF powders, then your Magnesium levels will drop to nothing if you're not careful..then nute lockout, ph flip, nute burn, etc. Go get a Ph adjusting soil like bioterra plus (thier's others). Never Ph adjust your nutrient solution again. It's nice. Comes out perfect every time I swear.

Fox Farm works great for me and for a lot of other beginners I know personally, like walk into thier gardens and sample thier meds know them, not see pictures and hear thier biased, anonymous, uninformed opinions on a blog site know them. I've made a point of discussing nutrients a lot with the few growers I know who have grown a lot of plants for 10+ years, which is hard because most people like that don't give a shit to talk about nutes if they'll talk about grow at all. They have all used the FF line and said it's great, and simple for beginners. Thier reasons for using other stuff now was because they say FF gives a bad taste unless you flush thoughly for 2 weeks (they want to push nutes longer). One said he just uses cheaper versions of the same things in FF basically, like MOAB instead of all the FF powders..tried to get me to do that instead of FF powders and I should've but we all like a nice pretty package deal with the colors that match so we know they "fit together" and so we can assume that's all we need, but do your reading. And don't throw out your FF, it's not broken.

..thanks oasis

Kreigs Tiger Bloom doesn't have too much N cause they want you to use it with Gro Big. I saw Super Silver that was 18 inches get almost 4 feet on FF. And why do you all want stretchy plants. I hear people looking for ways to stop that early stretch all the time. Artificial light only does a good job down to about 1 foot below the canopy unless you have lots of room around each plant.

lol all you people hating on those poor minerals and such. you should be ashamed lol. You're the ones who fucked up your plants, not FF. They're just tryin to make a profit and so is every other company. They're not gonna hold your dick AND shake it for you cuz that's a lot of dicks. and by the same logic they're not gonna fuck you over cuz then you go buy elsewhere. Economics.

 

[groputillor]

Here's an few at 6 full weeks. Just did two heavy feedings in a row and now I only have heavy flushes left. Cutting at different times.

 

[glyphen]

I'm not gonna get into a big argument and I'm not even on here that often so don't spend a bunch of time on a personal attack I won't see.. but I wanna throw my two cents into this so it doesn't get left with half the info.

All the specialized nutirent lines out there can give you great results if you know what each of them doesn't include. Switching lines just gives you something new to figure out. You can almost never follow a company's guide exactly. Cmon it's just common sense that you don't start with the same strength you need to finish. Cal Mag is a definite, always. If you're using a super high phosphorus fert like the FF powders, then your Magnesium levels will drop to nothing if you're not careful..then nute lockout, ph flip, nute burn, etc. Go get a Ph adjusting soil like bioterra plus (thier's others). Never Ph adjust your nutrient solution again. It's nice. Comes out perfect every time I swear.

Fox Farm works great for me and for a lot of other beginners I know personally, like walk into thier gardens and sample thier meds know them, not see pictures and hear thier biased, anonymous, uninformed opinions on a blog site know them. I've made a point of discussing nutrients a lot with the few growers I know who have grown a lot of plants for 10+ years, which is hard because most people like that don't give a shit to talk about nutes if they'll talk about grow at all. They have all used the FF line and said it's great, and simple for beginners. Thier reasons for using other stuff now was because they say FF gives a bad taste unless you flush thoughly for 2 weeks (they want to push nutes longer). One said he just uses cheaper versions of the same things in FF basically, like MOAB instead of all the FF powders..tried to get me to do that instead of FF powders and I should've but we all like a nice pretty package deal with the colors that match so we know they "fit together" and so we can assume that's all we need, but do your reading. And don't throw out your FF, it's not broken.

..thanks oasis

Kreigs Tiger Bloom doesn't have too much N cause they want you to use it with Gro Big. I saw Super Silver that was 18 inches get almost 4 feet on FF. And why do you all want stretchy plants. I hear people looking for ways to stop that early stretch all the time. Artificial light only does a good job down to about 1 foot below the canopy unless you have lots of room around each plant.

lol all you people hating on those poor minerals and such. you should be ashamed lol. You're the ones who fucked up your plants, not FF. They're just tryin to make a profit and so is every other company. They're not gonna hold your dick AND shake it for you cuz that's a lot of dicks. and by the same logic they're not gonna fuck you over cuz then you go buy elsewhere. Economics.

This guy is 100% right on. I have been around horticulture for about 30 years, and do indeed have a green thumb if you catch my drift. People of these days dont generally know anything about botany, and they just want to buy a "kit" to follow instructions and have good bud.

Now this attitude created "The market" for people needing a how to and a guide/regime specific to "THEIR" needs.

Real growers learn about botany, and horticulture. Understanding Propagation is key, and learning to adjust on the fly is how you get best results.

Not by some label claiming to be the best.


Do you think we had FF in the 70's? Or a step by step guide for feeding regime's?

No way man, we learned through paying attention.


I would suggest some of you guys do the same

 

[robert 14617]

i need my money so i buy jacks clasics

 

[Kriegs]

I'm not gonna get into a big argument and I'm not even on here that often so don't spend a bunch of time on a personal attack I won't see.. but I wanna throw my two cents into this so it doesn't get left with half the info.

All the specialized nutirent lines out there can give you great results if you know what each of them doesn't include. Switching lines just gives you something new to figure out. You can almost never follow a company's guide exactly. Cmon it's just common sense that you don't start with the same strength you need to finish. Cal Mag is a definite, always. If you're using a super high phosphorus fert like the FF powders, then your Magnesium levels will drop to nothing if you're not careful..then nute lockout, ph flip, nute burn, etc. Go get a Ph adjusting soil like bioterra plus (thier's others). Never Ph adjust your nutrient solution again. It's nice. Comes out perfect every time I swear.

Fox Farm works great for me and for a lot of other beginners I know personally, like walk into thier gardens and sample thier meds know them, not see pictures and hear thier biased, anonymous, uninformed opinions on a blog site know them. I've made a point of discussing nutrients a lot with the few growers I know who have grown a lot of plants for 10+ years, which is hard because most people like that don't give a shit to talk about nutes if they'll talk about grow at all. They have all used the FF line and said it's great, and simple for beginners. Thier reasons for using other stuff now was because they say FF gives a bad taste unless you flush thoughly for 2 weeks (they want to push nutes longer). One said he just uses cheaper versions of the same things in FF basically, like MOAB instead of all the FF powders..tried to get me to do that instead of FF powders and I should've but we all like a nice pretty package deal with the colors that match so we know they "fit together" and so we can assume that's all we need, but do your reading. And don't throw out your FF, it's not broken.

..thanks oasis

Kreigs Tiger Bloom doesn't have too much N cause they want you to use it with Gro Big. I saw Super Silver that was 18 inches get almost 4 feet on FF. And why do you all want stretchy plants. I hear people looking for ways to stop that early stretch all the time. Artificial light only does a good job down to about 1 foot below the canopy unless you have lots of room around each plant.

lol all you people hating on those poor minerals and such. you should be ashamed lol. You're the ones who fucked up your plants, not FF. They're just tryin to make a profit and so is every other company. They're not gonna hold your dick AND shake it for you cuz that's a lot of dicks. and by the same logic they're not gonna fuck you over cuz then you go buy elsewhere. Economics.

Hey... not a problem. I've kind of softened a bit on the FF just over the last week or so now that I see some of my own mistakes more clearly. I imagine it does work fine if you know what you're doing and that applies to all nutes, I guess. And yeah, at the end of the day, I fucked up my plants by not seeing that they were happy just they way they were and not really in need.

I don't understand why their shit mixes up so acid when everything else lands right in the sweet spot (maybe I got the one funky bottle - it happens), but that's really just an awareness and correction thing. I suppose they're just trying to keep their micros off the bottom and yeah, a proper soil should neutralize that anyway. And I def didn't throw out my GB and FF.. I paid $40 for it; I gotta find a use for it!

BTW, I've never said I wanted stretchy plants; my goal in veg is squat plants with many internodes...not sure where that came from in ref. to me... but hey, peace bro. I'm def still learning, but sometimes I hit points where I think I know something and maybe get too fiesty. People who know me for real see it as part of my charm. On a forum, I guess it plays less well... I'll try to cool it. Love ya all... out.

 

[Reiss]

Just chopped my 1 white widow down after 10.8 weeks flowering under a 400w HPS.
Trimmed wet weight - 424g (just under 15oz).
Enjoy the budporn, full journal and more harvest pics in my sig.

 

[Kriegs]

Nice job, Reiss... I have to get some WW going for sure. Did you go from seed? Feminized? Clones? (EDIT to myself: Clones, you dumbass -- it's right in the sig!)

 

[Reiss]

Thanks. She was a clone taken during mid flowering.

 

[ltz40055]

top cola from my blue mystic

 

[rlourens]

This guy is 100% right on. I have been around horticulture for about 30 years, and do indeed have a green thumb if you catch my drift. People of these days dont generally know anything about botany, and they just want to buy a "kit" to follow instructions and have good bud.

Now this attitude created "The market" for people needing a how to and a guide/regime specific to "THEIR" needs.

Real growers learn about botany, and horticulture. Understanding Propagation is key, and learning to adjust on the fly is how you get best results.

Not by some label claiming to be the best.


Do you think we had FF in the 70's? Or a step by step guide for feeding regime's?

No way man, we learned through paying attention.


I would suggest some of you guys do the same

Thanks a bunch. I take a lot from this advice!!

 

[PANGcake]

Bubblegum at 57days 12/12

//CaL

 

[Ready2Inhale]

nice b-gum, is that a serious seeds strain

 

[PANGcake]

nice b-gum, is that a serious seeds strain

Thx! Iono where Nirvana get their beans from, but thats where I got them from, Nirvana! I also tried Bubblegum few years back from BDS and the genetics from BDS was a lot better at least vigor, potency we'll see. 10 regular beans, 8 were ladies and all of them woulda been keepers. I'm not saying theese genetics are bad (Nirvana), the 2 flowering are keepers and thats why I cloned offa them, check my sig for threads Outta 5 femmed seeds from Nirvana, 4 germed, and outta those 4 only the 2 u see flowering were keepers. If u check my journal bout the flowering ladies, u will find 1 clone taken from a plant that was not desireable for cloning, its in my last post in the thread...The lady on the left is only 66cm tall yet I can promise u she will yield at least 4,5-5 ounces maybe more. When she started her stretch in 12/12, it was more so the outer branches that took off making the plant very uniform w an even canopy, BG tend to grow like that from seed. The right lady has grown a bit taller, shes 76cm tall w a different bud structure to it. She has like 5 main branches. Her outer branches really really shot for the top when streching but the plant still stayed short. She has lesser branches but each "main" branch acts like the main kola. I'll be popping by w some updates of the grow...58 days 12/12 today They are gonna go longer 12/12 then I had expected. I can only guess first is done 10-14 days from now...been changing that predicted harvest date further and further on since they have grown in "waves" making me puzzled as to when to harvest...also I learned during this grow that the amber in the trichs go in waves...and now they are milky to clear again, 2 weeks ago 50% where amber I go for the overall appearence when I harvest though...my scope broke so I'm not even gonna bother look at the trichs...ladies are ready when they're ready. Now I'm gonna go down to the store where I bought the damn scope...It was cheap but ima see if I can get a new 1 for free, it has 100x magnifying effect...it still is fun looking at those lil trichs standing up like troopers...

//CaL

Edit: Sometimes I laugh bout what I've said myself in previous posts. First of all, I fergot the scope when I went to the store...hehe...when I came back home to get it I said to myself: "It must be working, it worked 2 days ago and I havent manhandled it or dropped it or anything". So i decided to try it again...and ofc it worked just fine. I must have been too baked "testing" it earlier today, LOL! SO...2 days ago it seemd as if almost all trichs were clear...now that my scope is "working again" I can see 80% cloudy, 15% clear and 5% amber...an estimate ofc, I didnt count all the trichs LMAO I read Subcools thread in the "Organics" forum (I think it was there) and concluded that its time to harvest...I will flush them tomorrow and 1more time before harvesting them on saturday-monday, day 61-63 12/12. Carrying theese heavy @ssed ladies to the tub again gonna be a beetch, but what don't u do for ur loved ones?! I don't want to harvest too late and lose that bubblegum smell and taste and harvesting today is too early. Buds are swollen, stone hard, "hairs" have started their way back into their "pods" wich are very very swollen, bout 50-60% hairs ar "red", and trichs as I said earlier are bout 80% cloudy. It's time!

 

[Ready2Inhale]

thanks amigo...they look awesome

 

[Kriegs]

Thx! Iono where Nirvana get their beans from, but thats where I got them from, Nirvana! I also tried Bubblegum few years back from BDS and the genetics from BDS was a lot better at least vigor, potency we'll see. 10 regular beans, 8 were ladies and all of them woulda been keepers. I'm not saying theese genetics are bad (Nirvana), the 2 flowering are keepers and thats why I cloned offa them, check my sig for threads Outta 5 femmed seeds from Nirvana, 4 germed, and outta those 4 only the 2 u see flowering were keepers. If u check my journal bout the flowering ladies, u will find 1 clone taken from a plant that was not desireable for cloning, its in my last post in the thread...The lady on the left is only 66cm tall yet I can promise u she will yield at least 4,5-5 ounces maybe more. When she started her stretch in 12/12, it was more so the outer branches that took off making the plant very uniform w an even canopy, BG tend to grow like that from seed. The right lady has grown a bit taller, shes 76cm tall w a different bud structure to it. She has like 5 main branches. Her outer branches really really shot for the top when streching but the plant still stayed short. She has lesser branches but each "main" branch acts like the main kola. I'll be popping by w some updates of the grow...58 days 12/12 today They are gonna go longer 12/12 then I had expected. I can only guess first is done 10-14 days from now...been changing that predicted harvest date further and further on since they have grown in "waves" making me puzzled as to when to harvest...also I learned during this grow that the amber in the trichs go in waves...and now they are milky to clear again, 2 weeks ago 50% where amber I go for the overall appearence when I harvest though...my scope broke so I'm not even gonna bother look at the trichs...ladies are ready when they're ready. Now I'm gonna go down to the store where I bought the damn scope...It was cheap but ima see if I can get a new 1 for free, it has 100x magnifying effect...it still is fun looking at those lil trichs standing up like troopers...

//CaL

Nice rundown on the strain - I'm growing the bubblelicious from BDS (which, aren't they just re-selling Nirvana beans? Looks like they hijacked the strain descriptions verbatim.. some even have "Nirvana" in the description. I also see now that BDS lists it as Bubblelicious [bubble gum] like they're the same strain). But yeah, everything you said, about habit, canopy, amber trichs show early...etc. - it all fits. It's an awesome, heavy yielding, hardy plant - I'm surprised more people aren't growing it.

There is a semantic question here -- I was under the impression that "bubblegum" is a sativa-dominant strain from Serious; "bubblelicious" is an indica-dominant from Nirvana with some unknown lineage. The "even canopy" formation and rapid ascension of the side branches fits the indica-dom mold better than sativa.

Sorry if that was really confusing... but hey, I'm just happy to find another bubble..(licious...gum?) grower out there with probably the same beans I have. Especially one with bomb-ass buds to show -- yummy!

 

[Dbud]

Just babies at week 2. The lower right is Sharks Breath and the other three are Pineapple Express. Happy so far!