Marriage and Law

[RickWhite]

A lot of people want to know, how someone could believe that Gays should not have the same rights as everyone else when it comes to marriage.

But what are our rights with regard to marriage? For that matter, in what way is marriage a legal issue?

My answer is that marriage is not a right. Nowhere in the Constitution or elsewhere is this right guaranteed. After all, in order to be considered married, we must apply for and be granted a license and then only a duly empowered person can declare it valid.

So, my question is, why do we need any act of law to declare ourselves married? Suppose one wishes to declare their self married to their dog. Who is going to interfere? In actuality anyone can declare themselves to be married to any other person, thing, group off people, etc. There is no prohibition of any kind on this act.

Now, to be considered legally married is another subject. To be considered legally married one must make a request of other people - in this case the Government. And what is the Government in America besides the representative body of the American people. That is why legal proceedings often begin with "the people vs John Doe."

So, any time anyone requests a legal marriage, they are making a request for acknowledgment from the people - they are asking the rest of us to do something on their behalf. They are asking the people to bestow upon their union the public seal of approval.

That is really all marriage is and it is not something anyone has a right to.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

I got married in Vagas enough said,,,Marrage is only a legal issue, with legal consequences. Who are you to judge who becomes married? are you a Legal judge?

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Marriage is more of a right than you having the right to impose your bullshit outdated morals on others.

 

[ViRedd]

Marriage is more of a right than you having the right to impose your bullshit outdated morals on others.

Outdated morals? What a laugh. Go down the Ten Commandments then tell us which ones are "outdated."

 

[dukeofbaja]

Don't like gay marriage? Then STFU and don't get one..

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Outdated morals? What a laugh. Go down the Ten Commandments then tell us which ones are "outdated."

Who's commadments? I think for myself, I know what is right and wrong, You need to belive in what someone has to teach you,Me too, but there is no room for bigotry in my thoughts. I quite religion in 5 Th grade to self heal myself and others Think for your self for once

 

[ViRedd]

Who's commadments? I think for myself, I know what is right and wrong, You need to belive in what someone has to teach you,Me too, but there is no room for bigotry in my thoughts. I quite religion in 5 Th grade to self heal myself and others Think for your self for once

Nope, I'm not buying into your BS. You've stated that morals are outdated. The Ten Commandments are a moral outline for successful living, regardless of religion or no religion. Now come on ... go down the list of the Commandments and tell us which ones are outdated. How about Thou Shalt Not Kill ... it that one outdated?

 

[Hayduke]

Outdated morals? What a laugh. Go down the Ten Commandments then tell us which ones are "outdated."

Covet thy neighbors wife...most paint, pluck and push up in order to be coveted!

Honor thy mother and father...parents dessert and do terrible things to children...

Rape and molestation were left off this load of crap

 

[dukeofbaja]

1. You shall not worship any other god - get rid of this one
2. You shall not make a graven image - get rid of this one
3. You shall not take the name of god in vain - get rid of this one
4. You shall not break the Sabbath - get rid of this one (even though I do Shabbat every Friday)

The rest are good enough to keep
5. You shall not dishonor your parents.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not commit perjury. 10. You shall not covet.

 

[Hayduke]

1. You shall not worship any other god - get rid of this one
2. You shall not make a graven image - get rid of this one
3. You shall not take the name of god in vain - get rid of this one
4. You shall not break the Sabbath - get rid of this one (even though I do Shabbat every Friday)

I forgot about these gems...

 

[Wordz]

#1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8,#9,and#10 are pure bullshit

 

[Hayduke]

#1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8,#9,and#10 are pure bullshit

Killing is generally frowned upon...and I really hate liars and thieves

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

I agree with morals,,,Not the way "organizations" Brainwashing you to belive, I hate theives, Liers. There the most trouble IMO. Nothing good comes from being bad,,,That's a straight up fact,,,I agree.

 

[Wordz]

killing, let's see war,death penalty, eating meat, driving down the highway and hitting a bus full of retards.
Stealing, downloading mp3's, movies, getting more change back than you were supposed to and keeping it. all forms of stealing.

 

[ViRedd]

OK, so you don't like the Ten Commandments. How about this old adage: "Do unto others, that which you would have done unto you?"

You guys can demean morals all you want, but speaking as a business man, I can tell you first hand what the lack of morals has done to the business environment. This especially includes the consumer as well.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

OK, so you don't like the Ten Commandments. How about this old adage: "Do unto others, that which you would have done unto you?"

You guys can demean morals all you want, but speaking as a business man, I can tell you first hand what the lack of morals has done to the business environment. This especially includes the consumer as well.

I'm a buisness man myself,,I deliver what you want from wherever you get it and I get it to you,,,I'm very polite and nice. I have only seen things get better on my travels I guess the only people that should be pissed off are the "buissenes, that Fuck people over",,,IMO.

 

[RickWhite]

My OP has nothing to do with morals.

The point, for those that missed it, is that legal marriage is a request one makes of others to honor their union with their approval. It is much like asking a girl's parents to approve of your marriage - you do not have a right to it. And because you don't have a right to everyone's approval, people can not deny you of rights by not granting it.

Nobody in the US is trying to tell people with whom they may associate with intimately. If they were, they would be violating their rights. Some people are making the personal choice to refuse to endorse the intimacy of others - doing so denies nobody of any rights.

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

How about Thou Shalt Not Kill ... it that one outdated?

It obviously is for right wing christians. They are the ones pushed for war with Iraq, they are the ones that scream for the death penalty, and they are the ones that could give a fuck if 45,000 people a year die due to lack of health coverage.

 

[Hayduke]

killing, let's see war,death penalty, eating meat, driving down the highway and hitting a bus full of retards.
Stealing, downloading mp3's, movies, getting more change back than you were supposed to and keeping it. all forms of stealing.

Don't dig war...death penalty is fooked if even ONE person is wrongfully executed...I am working on my hatred of cows and love of steak...and knock on wood...no dead tards!

I only download music from bands that are not whiny little bitches and allow taping and trading...I have seen loosechange and food inc on-line (this would be ok if I was a christian...cuz I could not help the fact that I am a sinner...unfortunately I will have to take responsibility for my actions...have to live with myself...I actually considered buying food inc out of guilt) And I always give back extra change...

OK, so you don't like the Ten Commandments. How about this old adage: "Do unto others, that which you would have done unto you?"

yeah...that's a good one...the Golden rule!

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

My OP has nothing to do with morals.

The point, for those that missed it, is that legal marriage is a request one makes of others to honor their union with their approval. It is much like asking a girl's parents to approve of your marriage - you do not have a right to it. And because you don't have a right to everyone's approval, people can not deny you of rights by not granting it.

Nobody in the US is trying to tell people with whom they may associate with intimately. If they were, they would be violating their rights. Some people are making the personal choice to refuse to endorse the intimacy of others - doing so denies nobody of any rights.

When you turn 18 you are afforded full right's,,,I don't or did not ask permision,,from there parent's. We are a free society. You must be living on some Tribe somewhere in La La Land.
I guess if your jewish or Racked into money that's your way of thinking,But In reality 18 you are FREE to chose your own free will and destiny.