electrical issue

fourrings

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So here I am 4 weeks or so in flowering and my 60 amp breaker that is only running 1 1k light, 2 ocilating fans and 2 exhaust fans keeps tripping. The 60amp breaker goes 2 the flower room and via a 20 amp breaker. Its been fine for 3 months and now all the sudden it trips after being on for 9hrs or so. I am lost any input?
 

Sleepy79

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is the 60amp the main for the house?
check for loose connections, (terminals), could be a flaky braker
 

fourrings

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No. The grow room is the only things on the 60 amp. I have 2 20 amp running from the 60 amp. 20 amps to each room which consist of 1k mh and 1k hps.
 

mmd604

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check all your connections are they magnetic or digital. If magnetic ballast open up look at all the splices. Sounds like some kind of short. Some times the breakers up stream go before the one actual protecting the circuit.
 
I recently learned a breaker can trip from heat ,had a breaker box on the outside of the house and when the afternoon sun would beat on it for an hour or so the breaker would trip and shut my lights down

also ,breakers are known to fail ,not beable to handle the load
 

fourrings

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Thanks for the link. I looked for this but was time pressed to go do some mite control for a friend of mine. I did notice the breaker makes a buzzing noise when I turn it back on. I figure its toast. I turned the other 2 breakers off and it still trips after a couple hours now. I have a few extra 1k ballast so I hooked a different one up and the results are the same. Im gonna pick up a bigger(100amp) breaker tomorrow because my 10x14 space is gonna house all 50 of my mothers(all different strains from attitude and clones I received from my disp.) and im adding more lights. But not until I harvest this crop. I have 200amp service to my grow room. All my electrical was installed by a professional but in 1984! Im just worried of stressing my girls as they are flowering:(
 
You say your running 2 1k lights per 20 amp?If thats true your oveloaded.
2000 watts divided by 120 volts = 16.6 amps, which right there is more than the standard 80% of the circuit(20 amps)
So you are probably very close to trippin the 20s as well.Now Im a lil confused, first u say u have a 60 amp circuit supplying 2 20amp breakers, then you say u have a 200amp (more thsn likely your main service) panal supplying your grow room?
This is how it should go.200amp main service feeding a 60amp sub panal.The 20amp breakers should be inside this sub panal feeding each room.Then you need to id what is running off of each circuit, find out what each devices wattage or amp draw is.
The sixty amp 2 pole breaker should not supply 2 20 amp breakers directly.
feel free to hit me up if that confuses you.
 

strictly seedleSs

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Im gonna pick up a bigger(100amp) breaker tomorrow because my 10x14 space is gonna house all 50 of my mothers
If you are going to switch your sub panels supply breaker to a 100A, you need to make sure your wire is atleast #4 copper or #2 aluminum. You should read up on electrical wiring before you start hooking up high energy equiptment and changing breakers. Just a suggestion from an electrician and a grower.
 

quillo

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Im gonna pick up a bigger(100amp) breaker tomorrow because my 10x14 space is gonna house all 50 of my mothers(all different strains from attitude and clones I received from my disp.) and im adding more lights. But not until I harvest this crop. I have 200amp service to my grow room. All my electrical was installed by a professional but in 1984! Im just worried of stressing my girls as they are flowering:(
Wooah Nellie! The purpose of a breaker is to protect the wire from overheat. If your breaker is a 60 amp, then for sure it's connected to wire designed to carry a maximum of 60 amps. If you simply exchange your 60 amp breaker with a bigger one without changing the wire too, then you risk overheating your circuit wire and starting a fire. It might be a better idea to spend some time figuring out why a sixty amp breaker that only feeds two twenty amp breakers is tripping. Instead of swapping the breaker for a bigger one, (dangerous), why not change it for another 60? The problem may simply be that your 60 amp breaker is faulty, (electrical humor, ha ha), and you can solve the problem safely by simply replacing it with another 60.
 

mmd604

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being that i am an electrician quillo hit it on the nose. Do not change for a 100. Get another 60A breaker. also never use alumium wire.
 

fourrings

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NO each room is on its own 20 amp breaker. The current 60 amp is tripping because it is old and wore out that is what I was told by an electrician yesterday when I explained the problem. I want to add more breakers is the reason for the 100 amp. Ill check what wire was used to the box, but all new wire will be used along with new breakers. The amp draw on each 20amp breaker is roughly 15amps. All the wire used is good for up to what ever I throw at it as far as the 20 amp to outlets. My dad made sure I didnt skimp on that aspect when he was helping me get supplies. What I did to get wire to my outlets in my room is basicaly unwired to old outlets on separate circuits and rerouted them to my outlets. I put in 2 outlets in each room wired together on there own circuit. Then I run my fans from a power strip while the lights are directly ran from the outlet on there timers.

Another thing I noticed. The breaker did not trip once last night. It is the first day we havnt had rain in a while. I looked for any moisture anywhere and didnt see any. Yes I know that is could be there still but around in my breaker box looked dry. Lots of cobwebs when I pulled the front panel off.
 

strictly seedleSs

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being that i am an electrician quillo hit it on the nose. Do not change for a 100. Get another 60A breaker. also never use alumium wire.
And just what is your reasoning for NEVER using aluminum wire...seeing as how he stated the electrical was ran by a professional in 1984, you dont think that aluminum wire was still in wide use around 1984??? Not trying to pick a fight here...just saying that aluminum wire is fine, maybe not widely used in anything under serious amperage, but its used all the time.

fourrings-if you will be using new wire with your new breakers you will be saving yourself a big "what if". Wire itself will not go bad, but some wierd stuff happens in the walls of a house. If it was raining around your place for awhile, the ambient humidity might cause an issue with your breaker (its possible) if its on its way out. Replacing the breaker is a must, but do the math and make sure you need to up the sub to 100A.
 

fourrings

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I want to add 2 more 20 amp breakers for 2 more 1k mh's and fans etc. That being said I will need a 100 amp for the 5 20amp breakers. Sound good?
 

mmd604

Member
Several factors make aluminum wiring dangerous. The three most noteworthy factors are Heat, Expansion/Contraction, and Oxidation. These factors can create problems on their own however; they may all contribute to the problem. The main problem is heat and in every case, heat compounds the problem.

EXPANSION AND CONTRACTION
Aluminum wire expands and contracts at different rates than other metals used in electrical systems. Electrical current causes a change in the temperature of the wire. The heaver the load and or smaller the wire, the more the temperature changes. These changes in temperatures can cause joints to loosen and compromise the connection.

A compromised connection creates additional heat. The additional heat contributes to the problem and the problem starts to snowball. The heat created is sometimes sufficient to start a fire! Even if this does not directly start a fire, the heat can melt and or burn away insulation, which can create a short that may arc. Electrical arcs often reach temperatures in excess of 10,0000 Fahrenheit.

OXIDATION
Aluminum oxidizes. Oxidized aluminum wire or wire covered with aluminum oxide is a very poor conductor. Once again, we are dealing with a compromised connection and as above compromised connections can create heat. Heat compounds the problem and things get worse each time a load is re-applied


There is a reason why it no longer used its called fires. I cant say this enough never use aluminum wire !!!!!
 

strictly seedleSs

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aluminum wire is still in use for seriously high voltage applications. Its not a residential wire now, but its used to be. Im aware of the issues with the wire, but the wire was and is till used. I put the aluminum wire gauge up there in case this grow op was built using aluminum wire way back in 1984. good info you put up there though.
 
Hey, did you get this figured out yet? If you still are having problems let me know I'm a journeyman electrician and I'm sure if u know the specifics I can help. But what was said above is very true, you have to replace the existing wires to a bigger conducter or you are going to get alot if unwanted heat and could cause your house to burn down if left with the wire it has for the 60amp sub-panel. I would go and buy a new 60amp breaker first, try it and if it dosn't help take it back. Let me know if you still need help and I will help you. Good luck, and happy growin!
 

fourrings

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ya things are going fine now. I replaced the 60amp and all is well so far. Thanks for the help all who replied. I will have more questions in our near future as I am expanding to a 18x24' space. It has to be completely rewired. I need to find an electrician I can trust to come in and do this for me.
 
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