MI Bluntsmoker
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I was talking to one of my buddies and he said that you can have as much frozen bud as you want. And that it doesn't count against your 2.5 oz per patient or against your plants per patient either. Is this true?
Frozen Bud Legal?
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deprave
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hmm well it makes since, the law states "useable marijuana' frozen I dont know if it is 'useable' can you put it right into a pipe and smoke it? Cured buds you certainly can.
I never froze marijuana in the freezer but I have with tobacco and with tobacco you can just take it out and smoke it instantly so I would think the same is true for marijuana.
I know we have a lot of ridiculous rules but the way I am dealing with quanity now is all my friends have cards or caretaker cards and every patient has a caretaker plants or not...well that adds up to a lot of 2.5 ounces I have floatin around that isnt in my possession, I think more then necessary lol it adds up quick. I am going to need to start stashing it in food and buried places soon thou.
I never froze marijuana in the freezer but I have with tobacco and with tobacco you can just take it out and smoke it instantly so I would think the same is true for marijuana.
I know we have a lot of ridiculous rules but the way I am dealing with quanity now is all my friends have cards or caretaker cards and every patient has a caretaker plants or not...well that adds up to a lot of 2.5 ounces I have floatin around that isnt in my possession, I think more then necessary lol it adds up quick. I am going to need to start stashing it in food and buried places soon thou.
cephalopod
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This is copied from the law as it is written. Section J defines usable "marihuana", with the operative term, dried. I'm sure that it will be interpreted differently by LEO to Judges. I would say that dried would mean devoid of moisture. So while curing, it's still unusable
as it still contains moisture. For now I would say better safe than sorry, unless you want to be a test case. Which might not be all that bad considering the recent Supreme Court decision regarding THC metabolites.
333.26423 Definitions.
3. Definitions. Sec. 3. As used in this act:
(a) "Debilitating medical condition" means 1 or more of the following:
(1) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn's disease, agitation of Alzheimer's disease, nail patella, or the treatment of these conditions.
(2) A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces 1 or more of the following: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe and chronic pain; severe nausea; seizures, including but not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy; or severe and persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple sclerosis.
(3) Any other medical condition or its treatment approved by the department, as provided for in section 5(a).
(b) "Department" means the state department of community health.
(c) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.
(d) "Marihuana" means that term as defined in section 7106 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7106.
(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.
(f) "Physician" means an individual licensed as a physician under Part 170 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17001 to 333.17084, or an osteopathic physician under Part 175 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17501 to 333.17556.
(g) "Primary caregiver" means a person who is at least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patient's medical use of marihuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs.
(h) "Qualifying patient" means a person who has been diagnosed by a physician as having a debilitating medical condition.
(i) "Registry identification card" means a document issued by the department that identifies a person as a registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver.
(j) "Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, and any mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant.
(k) "Visiting qualifying patient" means a patient who is not a resident of this state or who has been a resident of this state for less than 30 days.
(l) "Written certification" means a document signed by a physician, stating the patient's debilitating medical condition and stating that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.
as it still contains moisture. For now I would say better safe than sorry, unless you want to be a test case. Which might not be all that bad considering the recent Supreme Court decision regarding THC metabolites.
333.26423 Definitions.
3. Definitions. Sec. 3. As used in this act:
(a) "Debilitating medical condition" means 1 or more of the following:
(1) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn's disease, agitation of Alzheimer's disease, nail patella, or the treatment of these conditions.
(2) A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces 1 or more of the following: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe and chronic pain; severe nausea; seizures, including but not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy; or severe and persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple sclerosis.
(3) Any other medical condition or its treatment approved by the department, as provided for in section 5(a).
(b) "Department" means the state department of community health.
(c) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.
(d) "Marihuana" means that term as defined in section 7106 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7106.
(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.
(f) "Physician" means an individual licensed as a physician under Part 170 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17001 to 333.17084, or an osteopathic physician under Part 175 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17501 to 333.17556.
(g) "Primary caregiver" means a person who is at least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patient's medical use of marihuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs.
(h) "Qualifying patient" means a person who has been diagnosed by a physician as having a debilitating medical condition.
(i) "Registry identification card" means a document issued by the department that identifies a person as a registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver.
(j) "Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, and any mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant.
(k) "Visiting qualifying patient" means a patient who is not a resident of this state or who has been a resident of this state for less than 30 days.
(l) "Written certification" means a document signed by a physician, stating the patient's debilitating medical condition and stating that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.
whiteflour
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Drying and Curing are two totally different processes. While there is some moisture left in uncured buds the ammount is neglible. I wouldn't run the risk, cops are going to say anything bagged or jarred is Usable. Practicing penmanship doesn't mean much to them.
kronic1989
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I dont know how to get it done. But ive seen it before. You get your mj put into tuna cans. They obviously have to be ready enough to stay airtight. You can label them as Tuna, Salmon, Catfood even. They also can be sold like that to, depending on the customers(cause they cant see the product until its open) unless you have samples or open them.
on topic of frozen buds being legal, I highly doubt that would fly.
on topic of frozen buds being legal, I highly doubt that would fly.
whiteflour
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Then when they figure out it's MJ inside they can prove you had knowledge of it being illegal. Better off keeping the stuff in plain sight with the "cure date" and playing the innocent card. Not that either is going to amount to much of a defense.
cephalopod
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I wouldn't consider something that has just been cut down usable. I know the law can be a funny thing and the way it's written here in MI, there is a lot left open to interpretation. I'm sure that there are plenty of LEO that aren't going to like aspects of it, or for that matter, any of it. Although, when court decisions are made precedent should take effect. I imagine that given the opportunity, many LEO would like to write people up for driving under the influence. Regardless of whether or not that person ingested MJ 2 hours, 2 days, or 2 weeks, they would treat it all the same. Now with the new supreme court ruling, thats going to be a thing of the past. I spoke with an attorney friend recently, and his thoughts on that decision, where that would apply to all MI citizens. So I guess what I'm getting at is that a lot of these issues will have to be settled in court. Just one LEO's interpretation isn't going to be the end all. Also, if people don't push for their rights of course we'll be taken advantage of. As for myself, I prefer meds that have been properly dried and cured.
I totally understand where you're coming from WF, Balzac not so much.The law clearly states that it's not considered usable until it's dried. We should a choice on how are meds are prepared. Choice, that's how these laws came about in the first place. Peoples will, we wanted it, we voted for it, therefore it is. I believe if people fight in the "gray areas" the same can happen through the court precedent. WF, hasn't California Supreme court ruled that it's unconstitutional to limit patients meds?
I totally understand where you're coming from WF, Balzac not so much.The law clearly states that it's not considered usable until it's dried. We should a choice on how are meds are prepared. Choice, that's how these laws came about in the first place. Peoples will, we wanted it, we voted for it, therefore it is. I believe if people fight in the "gray areas" the same can happen through the court precedent. WF, hasn't California Supreme court ruled that it's unconstitutional to limit patients meds?
whiteflour
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As far as I know local government just cant pass limits lower than the state limit of 6 mature or 12 immature. The ruling actually made it easier though for people to be arrested for being beyond the limit. You might let off in court though for sure.
In the end I guess it really just comes down to where you are. Here, in my count, things are pretty leniant and the plant counts I've heard of out of line just had plants confiscated. But then my city still doesn't have a dispensary even though it's one of most populated in the county. Every time one gets set up the city finds some way to bring it down, but the cops themselves could care less about possession and dealers get a slap on the wrist.
I just feel like if you really want to be legal you shouldn't be pushing it. If you don't mind being a groundbreaker then sure, but it's going to cost you a lot more time and money than it would have to just follow the rules.
In the end I guess it really just comes down to where you are. Here, in my count, things are pretty leniant and the plant counts I've heard of out of line just had plants confiscated. But then my city still doesn't have a dispensary even though it's one of most populated in the county. Every time one gets set up the city finds some way to bring it down, but the cops themselves could care less about possession and dealers get a slap on the wrist.
I just feel like if you really want to be legal you shouldn't be pushing it. If you don't mind being a groundbreaker then sure, but it's going to cost you a lot more time and money than it would have to just follow the rules.
cephalopod
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'm not going to try to push it. I like being legal, but if pushed, what choice do you really have?
MI Bluntsmoker
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I was thinking freeze it while its still wet even, but would that work, could you dry it after it was froze?
cephalopod
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I don't know that I'd try that. Instinct tells me that when the water expands that it would damage things. I may be wrong though.
whiteflour
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Nah you can't freeze it wet. I've ruined smoke putting it in the freezer too early. It ends up getting freeze dried and nasty. If you didn't end up burning it you'd probably have some nasty tasting smoke after the thaw.
stowandgrow
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Temperature does not matter, but the moisture level within the meds certainly do. I've consulted an attorney on this, and this is the one area where you do have some wiggle room. As long as things are properly labelled, you can make a very good case that the curing marijuana was not "usable". A cop may not care, and haul you off any way, but you will be fine when it goes before a judge.
Plant counts/clones ........... you have no wiggle room there.