Babs34
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Although hundreds of long-time residents of Hamtramck, MI protested the city allowing the five-times-per-day Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast over Hamtramck's loudspeakers, the city council voted unanimously in April 2004 to allow it. Prior to the city council making its decision, public input from any citizens (except Muslims) had not been allowed. This continues today. Hamtramck resident Bob Golen was outraged by the city council's actions and said: "So they had made up their mind before any public meeting and it's been five-nothing ever since. This is only the beginning. They're going to use Hamtramck as a precedent. This is coming to your town, to the town down the road, and to the [next] town down the road." Golen added that, after the city council voted to allow the calls to prayer, one of the city councilmen said that he was "proud to set a precedent in this country."
Michigan: the Islamic capital of the US
Michigan: the Islamic capital of the US
Padawanbater2
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Well, I guess I understand a little better why you hold such extremist views...
Christianity is losing its footing by the day here, what the hell makes you think Islam will take its place?? Lmfao! That's like saying people are going to choose a shit-steak sandwich over deep fried cow balls when there's a perfectly good pizza sitting right on the table. Pizza being represented in reality by reason. Atheism is on the rise, religion on the fall. Eventually, it'll be atheists/agnostics as the majority. I seriously doubt some other form of bullshit wearing a different disguise is going to come along and trick the educated among us, as we're already to vast in numbers.
Internet/information/education FTW.
blazin256
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what do atheists think of the placebo effect? do atheists have a spirit? even believe in a spirit? when you dream do you have dreams of tangible things or unnatural things?
what made you turn atheist? was it seeing the inconsistency of the bible or other religious texts? (serious questions)
i realize at the core its a dis belief of deities. stuff you cant see. but you dont see gravity yet we are pulled to the earth, you dont see air but we breathe, cant see radio waves yet we hear? just curious, any info appreciated.
and just so we're clear im not a blind pursuer of any faith. i have a mind i use it and i see the bible for what it is, mechanism for control and deceit.
what made you turn atheist? was it seeing the inconsistency of the bible or other religious texts? (serious questions)
i realize at the core its a dis belief of deities. stuff you cant see. but you dont see gravity yet we are pulled to the earth, you dont see air but we breathe, cant see radio waves yet we hear? just curious, any info appreciated.
and just so we're clear im not a blind pursuer of any faith. i have a mind i use it and i see the bible for what it is, mechanism for control and deceit.
OregonMeds
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Sir gravity, air, and radio waves are the work of the gods, just like the wind and the rain, and it hurts my soul to hear you say they're just some explainable natural phenomenon.
blazin256
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well if i implied they were the work of gods i apologize. what i was trying to get at is just because we cant see something doesnt mean we dismiss the reality that somethin exists. i dont see god but i dont dismiss he/she may exist the same way i dont see electrons but dont dismiss that something is making this computer work. we dont really see the dreams we dream, yet we know something happened.
i didnt witness the beginning but something had to happen right? did something collide with something else that magically created everything we see? where did the somethings that collided come from? did god get bored and the mere thought he have explode in what we call reality? am i going crazy thinking about all this? for sure
i didnt witness the beginning but something had to happen right? did something collide with something else that magically created everything we see? where did the somethings that collided come from? did god get bored and the mere thought he have explode in what we call reality? am i going crazy thinking about all this? for sure
Mr.KushMan
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Mathematically nothingness is unstable and eventually something will pop in to fill its place. Look at zero point energy, a phenomena that can't be seen yet happens everywhere at all times. The calculations state that inside an atom, between the proton nucleus and the first electron ring, there is more energy popping in and out of existence then there can be created from all the matter known to man! Thats about 5% of the stuff in the universe is actual matter, ~70% is dark energy, ~25% is dark matter and the remaining is tangible, dividable and quantifiable.
I vote for more of a toaist understanding of the universe, being an entity of one consciousness. Infinitely dimensional, and infinitely spaced apart. Maybe dark energy is just a different frequency of thought not allowing us to see its existence but our model of understanding wouldn't work without it. The workings of the universe are just as much of a hurdle as the workings of consciousness. Do you think its an accident that we use 5% of our brain power and 5% of the universe is observable?
Peace
I vote for more of a toaist understanding of the universe, being an entity of one consciousness. Infinitely dimensional, and infinitely spaced apart. Maybe dark energy is just a different frequency of thought not allowing us to see its existence but our model of understanding wouldn't work without it. The workings of the universe are just as much of a hurdle as the workings of consciousness. Do you think its an accident that we use 5% of our brain power and 5% of the universe is observable?
Peace
Babs34
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LOL @my extremist views lil P, hahahaha, ROFLLLLLLMAOOOOOOOOO.Well, I guess I understand a little better why you hold such extremist views...
Christianity is losing its footing by the day here, what the hell makes you think Islam will take its place?? Lmfao! That's like saying people are going to choose a shit-steak sandwich over deep fried cow balls when there's a perfectly good pizza sitting right on the table. Pizza being represented in reality by reason. Atheism is on the rise, religion on the fall. Eventually, it'll be atheists/agnostics as the majority. I seriously doubt some other form of bullshit wearing a different disguise is going to come along and trick the educated among us, as we're already to vast in numbers.
Internet/information/education FTW.
You might want to check the statistics on how many are here already....and relearn a little history perhaps? Or is that just too mind wrenching for you? You do know the majority vote rules? (at least it's supposed to
)This isn't about "choice" and this has nothing at all to do with my concern about Christianity as a religion being the majority "to rule."
Your numbers are not anywhere near as vast as theirs......educate yourself lil P. Your hatred of Christians consumes you......btw, what possessed you to use that avatar?
Again, "my" extremist views? I'm not a muslim. Are you?
mindphuk
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Replace 'stuff we can't see' with 'stuff with no empirical evidence to support its existence.'
This includes, not just your gods, but astrology, talking to the dead, tarot cards, the law of attraction, alien abduction, fairies, etc. I'm sure there are some things you personally discount as not having enough evidence to support believing in yet supporters can make the same (simplistic) argument you just did.
Do you think science is so rudimentary that we are only concerned about that which reaches our visual cortex? By reducing it to things that cannot be seen visually is a cartoonish characterization of the rational thought processes of atheism and science. This is what is typically called a straw man argument. Look it up.
afrawfraw
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And if you had been born a thousand years ago, you could replace ISLAM with CHRISTIANS...
TrippyReefer
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There are things that we cannot perceive in the flesh, we must believe. God works in mysterious ways, and if he wants his existence to remain a mystery, then he will. Little newsflash to those who have given up... EARTH IS NOT HEAVEN! Satan is at the center of our world ("symbolically" the core of the planet) and has much influence in our lives since the time of Adam. God created earth and its creatures, perfect in its design and humanity as its caretakers. Because of mankind's attraction to evil, we have become its destroyers. If the world has gone to shit, you think its because of God? No my friends, we are to blame. I would not at all be surprised if you strike out against my comment but just think about it. If you wish to have a relationship with Jesus, it does not require you to open your eyes nor even your mind... but your spirit.
Leothwyn
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I guess I never even thought of the placebo effect in religious terms. Do religious people actually think it's god doing something? I just assumed it's the body being tricked via the mind. I guess I don't see the fact that our bodies/minds are incredible, complex, and powerful as being incongruous with not believing in magic spirits.
I do agree that there is a certain amount of faith that goes with belief in scientific principles and theories. There's a lot that I can't see, as you said. And often the scientific explanations are so complex, that I don't completely understand them. To some extent I'm putting faith in the intelligence of others; taking their word for it. (Though, generally, I can understand the basic logic of it). Still, they're based on logic; on studying something. I'm sure a couple of thousand years ago, if you didn't understand something, just calling it magic seemed like a reasonable conclusion. Not anymore IMO.
I do agree that there is a certain amount of faith that goes with belief in scientific principles and theories. There's a lot that I can't see, as you said. And often the scientific explanations are so complex, that I don't completely understand them. To some extent I'm putting faith in the intelligence of others; taking their word for it. (Though, generally, I can understand the basic logic of it). Still, they're based on logic; on studying something. I'm sure a couple of thousand years ago, if you didn't understand something, just calling it magic seemed like a reasonable conclusion. Not anymore IMO.
afrawfraw
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I agree completely. Further more, there is already a belief system which has swept every continent, is accepted as the truth, and is ALREADY a global phenomena. It dictates how we live, where we live, what we eat, and what we do...
legalizeitcanada
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Love what your saying, but you need to recheck the 5% brain power thing, thats a wives tale......we use our whole brain to full capacity with the parts that are developed......some people may have some parts of their brain that develop more than the average persons and hence we have evolution! But like it all just the same!!
afrawfraw
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Anything which does NOT require thought is for entertainment purposes only.
legalizeitcanada
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LOL....nobdy actually has a relationship with Jesus........they just belive they do and IMHO that shows a week mind.......great stories to guide you though life and help with situations somtimes.......but all in all YOUR DOING IT YOURSELF......there is no divine intervention...lol....and most of the poeple following and preaching at churches and synagogues do not carry it home with them....or else this world would be a much better place and the RCC would not be the richest organization in the world but the most humble......and not molest little children......additionally with other religions, we just had a case here in canada where a father and son conspired and killed the sister because she didn't want to wear a headress and wanted to live a normal life.......they killed her because she disrespected their religion and family......why would god give somebody that mindset, in that type of family, so she can be killed for here beliefs.......its fuckin rediculous
afrawfraw
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And scientists have confirmed that electro-magnetic energy CAN induce a "Detectable Presence" sensation...
TrippyReefer
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You know what is entertainment for Satan? Messing with your mind, and it seems he has achieved that goal with the vast majority of the earths inhabitants. Your just another speck of conscious dust in the wind, as we all are. Btw, no matter what is said on this forum... Jesus loves you