Someguy15
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I would recommend http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=475&navid=14 for flower support, love them!
My Growitup Greenhouse Grow 2010
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Just a funny. No disrespect implied or intended. But I'm imagining a giant chaotic spiderweb with the number plants involved. "Honey! Get the shears, will ya!? I tripped and fell into those damn yo-yo's and I'm REALLY stuck!"
Cages tend to work better with trees but I have to admit you do have a ceiling to tie off from so that is more of what appeals to you. Support is needed though.
If you are going to top out some plants you may want to get on that. You are going to get stretch of course during flowering to some degree and no sense battling with it at the last minute or having to clip during flowering. Especially if you have a temp drop to work from to help reduce shock right now. We're just beyond solstice and all that too. Lots of lore on when is best with the outdoor but right after matches many of the indoor flip schedules really. I've only had to top a few outdoor sativas just to make them easier to work with and never really thought about it. Just whacked em when they got too tall. So much easier to think about it and not use your gut over the Internet.
I would also consider leaving one non sativa dominant alone and untrained for the most part just to gauge the difference. Each micro climate is different outdoors, and quasi outdoor especially. It's a good tool for seeing what's what in my experience. That is of course, space and whimsy allowing. And totally just a suggestion. No implied "you should do this or you're an idiot" stuff here.
Still enjoying this virtual greenhouse immensely. Thanks, once again, for sharing.
I dig the ramble, you can ramble on all ya want in my journal.
The res gets refilled twice a day from cold tap water thats gone through the filter so it dont have time to heat up much. But you are right, I do check the temp and its been cool enough. If it isn't I can just drain it out and fill it with cold water, only takes 3 min to fill up again. I do have a chiller I can use if I need it.
So you think I will be fine topping at this point, cool. I think Ill go ahead and clip about a foot off the tall one and try and fim the blueberry.
What do you think of the Kush strains, I dont think I need to do anything with them its just the two big ones, blue cheese and blue berry.
For flower supports I got all those exposed 2x4's man. Im gonna tie to those. I was thinking about running poultry fence all along the inside walls. Tacking it to the 2x4's and giving me several more tie points but also keeping the buds off the walls where they can heat up. Give me a couple go's at this and I will have the whole dam thing screened. LOL.
Thanks for the link guy, They got some good stuff but Im gonna pass on the yo yo's
Thanks Psari, thats some good info.
I dont know if you checked out my previous grows but I'm an indoor hydro grower. This three month veg thing is a lot of time for me. I knew we just went through our solstice and was wondering if I was too late. Sounds like I'm right on the money.
As far as plant support you are correct in assuming I will tie to the frame. It just may be a spiderweb but no yo yo's... safer that way, "honey I've fallen and I cant get up" Shit, I would never hear the end of it.
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BooMeR242
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jw wat ur water temp was cuz i never checked when i started outdoors. but that temp should be good enough, no real reason to spend more money running the chiller i guess. outdoor always seems alot more resillant than indoors. i liked growin indoors and outdoors and would love to grow outdoors again but cuz security... cant. but incorportaing wat u learned indoors and outdoors togheter is a good hybrid of skills IMO.
just like PSARI said this info is all in my opinion and wat happened with those methods in my scenarios.
but the kush strains and other pure indicas i would just leave.
i had forgotten soltice passed already so i would have to pass the cropping topic onto sumone that knows more about outdoors and the flower stretch. i dont want to suggest a topping method if ure already in flower. the plants wont heal or recover in time to produce the main tops u desire. u know this as well from indoors. so id rec researching how much longer u have of veg growth if any.
to be on the complete safe side u can always LST (low stress train) the tops and side shoots to whervere u want them to go and still allow auxin horomones to shift to diff parts of the plant and still get sum smaller but strong tops.
if u search for Hodgegrown's journal hes got a huge outdoor grow but his support system is simple and effective. 2x4s like u mentioned but he builds like a box around the plants in raised beds for flower support. u could small scale his design or modify to ur needs.
theres lots of diff materials ive seen for support;
-2x4s can b arranged to provide side support and make and overhead to hang support rope from but u already have a roof
-PVC piping could b modified for support and doesnt take up as much room and isnt heavy like the wood. u could easily run PVC over head from side to side or sum shit and tie up to that without gettin to spiderwebbed.
-Rope can be string parralell to the plants and provide inner suuport and be out of ur way for the most part. in my outdoor grow if u look close ull see 10' tall 3" diameter PVC pipe that i stood vertical in the ground and drilled holes thru it for a quick ghetto support system. i just weaved the rope thru with no slack and it helped the plants kind of lean on each others distributed weight.
-or go grab sum chicken wire or fencing material and use it however u want
knowing u im sure u can fix up sum crazy legit shit to resolve the support issue. im sure theres other peeps on here that can pitch in sum other ideas that will fit ur situation
True, actual "clipping" may not be the best this late. But with so many strains, you have to wait and see for pheno drift etc to even come close to predicting which would have needed it. I was thinking along the lines of (training or shaping) pre-flower training/LST/trimming. Should have been a wee bit more specific it seems. Least stress is always bending of course. The reduced stretch from doing that would probably work out in there. Only thing I cant dial in from armchair guessing would be any potential changes from flowering nute switch you might make. After mulling it some and going back over the last clip, you really only have like one or two plants with a potential height headache. Worse case, that top cola gets a little weird from bending over slightly or slightly smaller, but it beats losing it to rot/burn from touching that roof.
I think I was stuck on the idea you had less head space overall somehow. That and I'm used to the concept of people being butchers to outdoor plants. Amazingly resilient and all that.
Just was musing it over and figured I should mention my internal retraction and modified ideas. Hopefully without raising ire. But, as always, it is your call and trust your gut some with it. All the pics and video in the world cant tell me what those stems feel like when you move them, and all the other little things that make up knowing your garden. Like doing ties to the frame. I wouldn't want to do it that way, but after standing and moving around in that space for months I would probably have a different outlook on it.
I think I was stuck on the idea you had less head space overall somehow. That and I'm used to the concept of people being butchers to outdoor plants. Amazingly resilient and all that.
Just was musing it over and figured I should mention my internal retraction and modified ideas. Hopefully without raising ire. But, as always, it is your call and trust your gut some with it. All the pics and video in the world cant tell me what those stems feel like when you move them, and all the other little things that make up knowing your garden. Like doing ties to the frame. I wouldn't want to do it that way, but after standing and moving around in that space for months I would probably have a different outlook on it.
BooMeR242
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glad to see u in hodges thread cruz. he and a the other guys that follow his grows know a shitload of outdoors. thats where i started and learned from themfor outdoors. theyll def lead u the rite way. like hodge and Nel mentioned, just bend and train the tops if ure worried about having to top sum.
Even if mine is bigger then yours?
Thanks man,
I had a different picture in mind when I started this grow and then I asked FDD how he prunes his plants and he said he dosent do it at all there is no need to. Well, I figured what the hell, and let them go. Now the lower branches are about 1/3 of the size of the stalk. Looking back now I think I should have removed them. I dont know, I'm in the sun right? I mean no need for an even canopy cause the sun will reach the lower stuff right?
I will know a lot more once this is done.
Thats true however I do value your armchair opinion, these girls are extremely healthy. There stocks look like they will have no trouble supplying the nutrients later in flower. I may have to pinch them to bend them. The leaf maintains a nice rich green color, the only time I saw any light green was before I started feeding and that was mostly the new growth.. I have removed 2 yellow leaves from the bottom of two different plants, thats it.
Oh I have buchered them indoors too, top, fim, supper cropped, LST, SCROG the works. However indoors I have control of the lighting. I would veg to about a foot, top, veg for another couple weeks tieing them down to a screen and then flip to 12/12. tieing them for another couple weeks while they stretched then let them go. Im just not sure when I will get the stretch, I assume it will be the first couple weeks of August. Thats when I get 14 hours of daylight or less but about 7 or 8 hours of direct sunlight.
Welcome fisherman,Nice grow Cruz! I have subbed
Kick back, toss in your line and spark up!
Yea, I'm leaning that way.
Maybe I will make a custom screen with like 4 inch holes I can reach up through and tie them back to it.
Run it from from to back right down the middle.
I went and move them today and learned something.
The way I got the watering going is through a 1/4 in tube shoved about 2 inches in the soil. Its been feeding them alright but it hasn't packed the soil like top watering does. So people who have trouble with aeration this is the answer. In my case the soil is plenty aerated and I feel I need more compacting so the roots have a firmer grip. I am going to top water each of them a couple times to pack the soil some.
Now the three on the right are about three feet apart and the left side are 16 inches apart and staggered between the right side better for LST.
I'm seeing a trace of spider mites on the blue dream, some lower leaf is speckled so I'm gonna top water and release more lady bugs. Then I figure I will put sand on top of the soil to help keep out other pests.
The way I got the watering going is through a 1/4 in tube shoved about 2 inches in the soil. Its been feeding them alright but it hasn't packed the soil like top watering does. So people who have trouble with aeration this is the answer. In my case the soil is plenty aerated and I feel I need more compacting so the roots have a firmer grip. I am going to top water each of them a couple times to pack the soil some.
Now the three on the right are about three feet apart and the left side are 16 inches apart and staggered between the right side better for LST.
I'm seeing a trace of spider mites on the blue dream, some lower leaf is speckled so I'm gonna top water and release more lady bugs. Then I figure I will put sand on top of the soil to help keep out other pests.
Looks like thats the ticket bro. LST. When I moved the blueberry I saw some small roots in the sand under the smart pot that went through into the dirt. They snapped off and she isn't to happy about it so I'm gonna give her a couple days to recover before I do the big bend. I top watered her with a couple gallons of 600 ppm ph 6,8 water and opened up the center of her a bit though.
BooMeR242
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im down for watever plan u come up with cruz. im sure itll work either way but this is more of a trial round. i mean every first round is. runnin diff strains is always hard to judge. i think ull be fine either way and will turn great product. ill be makin a weekend run up to nor cal to tour a medical warehouse for inspiration, mite have to swing by and check out ur cute dollhouse 
northeastern lights
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Everything looking good bro, full steam ahead. Might have to put an addition on the greenhouse for next year.
Yea like you say first round is trial and error. All diferent strains and all. I can tell you this, Blue Dream is a keeper alright. In both regular pot and smart pot that plant has filled out real nice.im down for watever plan u come up with cruz. im sure itll work either way but this is more of a trial round. i mean every first round is. runnin diff strains is always hard to judge. i think ull be fine either way and will turn great product. ill be makin a weekend run up to nor cal to tour a medical warehouse for inspiration, mite have to swing by and check out ur cute dollhouse
Weekend run to no cali? That would be cool man.
Anytime after next week, cause I'm gonna be at the lake. Shoot me a PM with a date.
Hey, I wouldnt mind taking a ride and checking out a medical warehouse myself.
Thanks man, Like they say "ya never slow down ya never get old"
(can't get that song outta my head) Addition huh? I like your thinking.
DUBS Doobious
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Girls are lookin' mighty fine my friend.
northeastern lights
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Dubs nice avatar bro + rep. Where the hell did you get that?
