Club 600

[jigfresh]

well put it this way if i only get a gram per watt now ill be dissapointed.
i dont grow anywhere near where i live. i keep telling the person watching it to lower that bulb ... they seem to think it doesnt need to go lower(they dont agree with vert growing)
ill get the bulb lowered soon.

im looking for more like1.5 per watt

I don't think I can give any advise to someone pulling that kind of weight. I've never gotten over 0.6 g/w, so you wouldn't want my advise.

 

[alex420cali]

That is one hell of a goal 15oz off 4 plants... A Realistic goal would be 2-3 oz per plant. But anyway i would just put them in flowering if you really need to be out

2-3 oz per plant? what? thats nothing bro. its more like 5-10 oz per plant. for me at least.

 

[alex420cali]

just seeking a little advise on my next vertical grow...

at the moment i have 12 around a bare bulb 600..
next i want 2 bare bulb 600s and 6 or 9 plants....

6-9 ak47 topped around the 5th node... vegged for about 8 weeks.. and trained to grow vert... pulling all the shoots to the side with the bulb...

set up like this X=plant 0=bulb
X X X
X 0 X 0 X
X X X

or if it was just 6 i would do this
X X X
0 0
X X X

but it seems like a waste of light... although im working off 1g per what(probably more like 1.5), 6 plants would be 1200 so about 7 oz per plant i just dont know if that is better than 9 plants which would be more like 5oz per plant.

i dont know how well the vert grow works (im only week 3 flower but its looking awesome) but do you think i could yield more with 6 or 9?
going to be working with a space about 8foot long by 6 foot wide by 8 foot tall

any ideas would be great. ive been racking my brain for ages trying to think of a better way... atm my 12 plants around 1 600 veg for 4 weeks in a 6foot hexagonal tent.. plants on 2 levels.. is too much .. its a fucking jungle.. i cant even get in.. so i need to rethink y next grow.

heres how the current grow looks at 2 weeks flower
(i think i allready showed right? sorry if i did) sorry about the quality it was a phone camera.






and every few days.... i have to do this ...

omygosh what a shame cutting all those leaves. to each his own.

 

[DST]

DST. I have a treat for you. My partner in stupid, he's so organized it just wants to make me puke. He pulls out the paperwork from a light he bought back in 1988 from Oregon. It's still in the original envelope along with all the other paperwork. I've taken some pictures of the 'other' paperwork. Does the Bulldog coffeehouse still exist? You'll get a kick out of this. My batteries are charging, so I'll post them later which means tomorrow for you.

I am looking forward to my treat, lol. The Bulldog is still there. It was one of the first in NL. Apparently the Bulldog announced last year that this year it would enter the High Times Cannabis cup for the first tim ein it's history. It said it would wipe the floor with everyone else (and they have the money to do it) Personally, it too touristy in the Bulldog for me.

To me it looks like the light is only getting the tops of the plants... sorta defeats the vert action. In a space that 'small' I would try to cool the light, so you can actually have it hit all of the plants. To me it seems like most of the good light is going to waste. So my advice is either go horizontal, or cool that light to get it 'in' the plants.

And do you mean that you are getting 1 g/w now? If I was gettng nearly a pound and a half per each grow, I would be happy. You trying to supply the whole county?

I agree, I found the heat it gave of was mega so having it bare and vertical was counter productive. Cool tubing would benefit you greatly.

well put it this way if i only get a gram per watt now ill be dissapointed.
i dont grow anywhere near where i live. i keep telling the person watching it to lower that bulb ... they seem to think it doesnt need to go lower(they dont agree with vert growing)
ill get the bulb lowered soon.

im looking for more like1.5 per watt

Based on veg time mentioned above I wish you all the luck in getting 1.5 g per watt (that's nearly 2lbs or/ 1 kilo) The footprint and light intensity for vertical and horizontal stays the same so I would also say that with your size of room I would aslo add another light to get better coverage, and another level to make usage of that 8 foot height. If there is such a thing as professional growers, then I think they would be more than happy with 1g/watt, and exstatic with 1.5g /w, so good luck reaching your goals.

2-3 oz per plant? what? thats nothing bro. its more like 5-10 oz per plant. for me at least.

That is an achievement I would like to see Alex. Jig grew a 10 oz plant and that was an awefull lot of veg time in there.......

Have a good week 600'ers,

Peace, DST

 

[Heads Up]

Here you go DST. Remember now this stuff came in a light he ordered back in 1988.

 

[days to daze]

omygosh what a shame cutting all those leaves. to each his own.

yeah its too small in there for 12 plants... 6 would have been fine.. so if i dont trim leaves every few days then they hide all the bud sites... they have more than enough to keep them healthy though.

Based on veg time mentioned above I wish you all the luck in getting 1.5 g per watt (that's nearly 2lbs or/ 1 kilo) The footprint and light intensity for vertical and horizontal stays the same so I would also say that with your size of room I would aslo add another light to get better coverage, and another level to make usage of that 8 foot height. If there is such a thing as professional growers, then I think they would be more than happy with 1g/watt, and exstatic with 1.5g /w, so good luck reaching your goals.

i realise i look like a bit of a twat saying what i say but .. tbh i KNOW in my head that im going to pull something like 12-16ounce...
its just i dont want to belive it .. i put so much effort and about 600quid into the grow that i really wanted to pull about 20oz... a man can dream right.

but it was my first ever grow ... i knew nothing about growing before this so next time there will be some huge improvements.

[QUOTEI don't think I can give any advise to someone pulling that kind of weight. I've never gotten over 0.6 g/w, so you wouldn't want my advise. ][/QUOTE]
like i said above... i dont want to come accross in a bad way.. i would love any advice and anything im told is noted and taken into action .. advice is advice no matter the weight right ..




i have money on this grow pulling 14oz.. next grow will be half the plants and twice the lights and veg time..
i think i am going to start working it out at gs per watt per week ... so i can see which is better ..

so if i grew 140z from this grow thats 30g per week... ..0.65gper watt for the whole grow or 0.05g per watt per week.
which really isnt bad.. but considering its my first grow and i am 50/50 with another grower because of the high set up costs.... so if im still 50/50 next grow i need to double that at least.

hope you understand where im comeing from and its not just that i want to be greedy.

 

[DST]

Well I got 22oz from a 1.2m squared vertical grow so I don't think you are far off, but I think you need to get that light in amongst those plants to penetrate that jungly foliage!! Leaves hiding buds is not the end of the world, your leaves are your factories for the buds, as long as they are getting light you should be good....although trimming back will expose more, but you can avoid this if growing vertically and using the vertical space. Try granstanding your plants around the edges of the room so that the plants get more exposure at the backs of the room (as an idea)

Good luck,

D

 

[days to daze]

grandstanding my plants?
heres the grow tent at week 3 veg from seed. . how would i change the layout in there?? the space in the centre is pointless.. its a shaded area from the base of the bulb..
next time i might .. grow 6 plants.. one per wall .. and possably have a mesh screen on each wall for the plants to be tied and stretch out to. like a 6 plant vertical scrog..
but i mean there is obv a limit to g per watt no matter what u do i would just like to find the best for a single 600... (well one mh and one hps) used one at a time.

and its 6 foot wide btw... thats 6foot from corner to corner not from wall to wall...

 

[jigfresh]

That pic looks about right... all it needs is a light right in the middle. Like DST or My grows. Not saying we are the best or anything, but that's how you get the 'vert' action. You are placing the light amongst the plants, not above them. So the best light from the bulb (ie, the light coming out the 'sides' of the bulb) is hitting plants... not wall. With your space I think the only way to do this is to cool the light in some way.

YOu could place an uncooled light in the middle... but the plants would have to be noticably further away as the heat would burn them up. Heath used a bare bulb, but I think his plants were at least 2 feet away from the bulb all the way around, so his space was quite big.

And don't worry mate, you don't sound like a twat. Like you said we can all have goals. I'm shooting for big things my next grow... it just takes a little time to dial it in. Running the same setup multiple grows and dialing in the details will lead to great success (ala Integra... or Raiderfan420 - not on this thread). A heavy yeilding strain helps too. For example, I ran 1 plant each of 2 different strains. Same conditions, same everything. One plant got 10 oz... the other 4 oz. Strains help a lot.

 

[DST]

grandstanding my plants?
heres the grow tent at week 3 veg from seed. . how would i change the layout in there?? the space in the centre is pointless.. its a shaded area from the base of the bulb..
next time i might .. grow 6 plants.. one per wall .. and possably have a mesh screen on each wall for the plants to be tied and stretch out to. like a 6 plant vertical scrog..
but i mean there is obv a limit to g per watt no matter what u do i would just like to find the best for a single 600... (well one mh and one hps) used one at a time.

and its 6 foot wide btw... thats 6foot from corner to corner not from wall to wall...

ok, i gotcha, so roughly the same size as mine then...sorry, short term memory (its all flooding back)

I think the best is as said, the middle area you can put in a cool tube (I get mine about 30 euros, so I am sure you could get a reasonably priced one in the uk. A bit of ducting and a decent fan, max 150 I would say. Then your plants are going to appreciate that. I hope as those girls grow up that the light doesn't need to be raised too high! You certainly don't want yer nugs getting too close. AK47 is a great yielder so you should be in for a nice harvest. I hope you reach your target all the same, sharing 50% kinda sucks. Good luck lad!

DST

 

[jigfresh]

One more things.... I pull a crazy amound of leaves from my grows as a small space and giant plants = wayyyyyyyy tooo many leaves. Next run I'm growing more smaller plants to try to avoid pulling so much plant matter out. It's like I veg longer than everyone, just to trim off half the damn plant.

Heads up> Wow. I'm impressed with the vintage cannabis collection. Being a sports memorabilia guy, I appreciate old books and fliers like that, really get's me going. Thanks for sharing that with us. Just beyond cool to me.

Also, I'm equally impressed with the Scooby Do sheets. I'm correct with that, yeah? Old school all around.

Lastly, weight per plant really means nothing my friend. Some people run SOG and only get 1/2 oz per plant. And the outdoor guys get 1 pound or more from 1 plant. It's really your growing style.

 

[days to daze]

Wierd i had just finished saving some of your phots from the casey jones vert scrog to send them to my grow partner fas ideas for the next grow ..
anyway..
in the above phot the light is actually level with the top row of plants but i have to move it to get in there..
yeah i think were going for 6 plants .. and the same as your grow.. with 6 screens.. but i mean if i do that .. i can have th bare bulb as the tent is 6 foot. with the screen they wont be able to get too close..

the strains im running at the moment are Chronic and AK47 from serious seeds.. both nice yielders i believe... but the proof is in the pudding right .. ill either get some clones from the best yielder at harvest (but it will be weeks for them to revert back)
or ill grow out 6 fem seeds... havnt decided yet.

one question jig... how long did you veg you plant in the vert scrog?
this one ... View attachment 1077057
and what was the yield? im sorry i should re read the thread but i havnt got the time right now

 

[jigfresh]

no worries. That particular plant is the Casey Jones that got 10 oz. Vegged her 8 weeks... but really it should have been 6 weeks to get to that point. I treated them horribly during veg and stunted the growth. Plus I seriosly had to cut off probably MORE than half the plant to grow in this style. I will say it looked cooler than anything... but definitely not the most efficient style of growing. Having 2 plants half the height above eachother is the way to go. Less than half the veg time, way less trimming, and the same ammount (if not more) actual herb to smoke. It sure did look cool though.

EDIT: What the hell you mean, you don't have the time. Ain't like this thread has 5,500 posts or anything, lol.

 

[days to daze]

oh and i though i would throw this one up ..

ok, i gotcha, so roughly the same size as mine then...sorry, short term memory (its all flooding back)

I think the best is as said, the middle area you can put in a cool tube (I get mine about 30 euros, so I am sure you could get a reasonably priced one in the uk. A bit of ducting and a decent fan, max 150 I would say. Then your plants are going to appreciate that. I hope as those girls grow up that the light doesn't need to be raised too high! You certainly don't want yer nugs getting too close. AK47 is a great yielder so you should be in for a nice harvest. I hope you reach your target all the same, sharing 50% kinda sucks. Good luck lad!

DST

i have a huge inline fan and here is the air intake from the widow(passive)
and the carbon filter... (i dont have a photo of the fan but its big.. maybe too big.. and its loud so i have it outside the tent in a huge box full of towels to muffel the sound even though its on min speed)

just showing this because the heat thing really isnt a problem .. it rarely gets above 75.. only on hot days. if anything a cooltube and scrog would be too cold..






YES thats foil ... YES it was a ballache... and a mistake .. i wont be doing it again .. lesson learnt.

 

[days to daze]

no worries. That particular plant is the Casey Jones that got 10 oz. Vegged her 8 weeks... but really it should have been 6 weeks to get to that point. I treated them horribly during veg and stunted the growth. Plus I seriosly had to cut off probably MORE than half the plant to grow in this style. I will say it looked cooler than anything... but definitely not the most efficient style of growing. Having 2 plants half the height above eachother is the way to go. Less than half the veg time, way less trimming, and the same ammount (if not more) actual herb to smoke. It sure did look cool though.

well i would get away with 2 rows of plants in there.. but it would have to be with 2 bulbs .. for one bulb i could try one row of plants still but i could try with 5weeks veg from seed which was pretty big tbh... would you reccomend topping the plant or just bending it into the screen in a way that will let the side shooots catch up?

 

[jigfresh]

I wouldn't top. But it depends on plant spacing. In your setup, I wouldn't top... just make them even more bushier. My next run I'm going to do what I consider the opposite, I'm going to sorta lollipop my plants. I'd rather have a few giant colas, as opposed to many many smaller buds. Less trimming, less clutter, plus big buds look cool, ha. Can you tell I like things that look cool?

Is no one else around? Must be what heads up said with the summer vacation. Usually about 10 of you have chimed in by this time of day. I hope me and daze aren't boring yall.

 

[days to daze]

10 of us? lol
English i guess.. yeah you would think so its peak time here..
yeah it didnt look as though you had topped yours.. and yeah i figured you liked things that looked cool lol

i want to have the minimum number of plants for the maximum yeild... in the shortest time .. but i guess if anyone knew what that was then everyone would be at it .. trial and error right..

i like your grows though keep em up .. i really like the casey jones vert grow.. i have to go stealth next grow so im after growing in a huge wardrobe.. and the vert scrog is probably the best way to go about it .. how close can you get that bulb in the culetube then ..
touching it going to do huge dammage to the plant? and in a closed area like that would temps get too low in there at night?

 

[jigfresh]

I had buds about 6 inches from the cool tube last grow. (and that was with a 1k... shhhhh don't tell anyone). The light bleaching was the limiting factor in closeness to the light. Not heat. At night it gets cold as alaska in my closet. I don't notice any ill effects. Just lots of colors appearing. I had leaves that were about 3-4 inches from the cool tube, and they had very slight curling due to the heat. That's with a 465 cfm fan pulling 24 hours a day.

A tip on quieting the fan is to suspend it with bungee cords. As long as it's mounted to somethng it's going to make lots of vibrations that run through whatever it's attached to... and if that is attached to a wall , or sitting on the floor it's going to translate into the walls or floor carrying some of the vibrations as well. Amplifies everything. Some peeps build boxes for the fan to be mounted to, then hang the box with some string or something that will dissapate the vibes. (i don't know if all my words in this paragraph are used correctly, but I think you get the point)

 

[days to daze]

yeah i thought about hanging it but i couldnt be bothered.. at the moment the circulating fan is louder than the inline fan in the box.. the main worry was that from the fan the air is expelled though a hole i put in the chimney.. (which happens to be ajoint wall with my neighbours bedroom.. i was more worried about them hearing the sound of the air at night.

im not sure how it works with the cooltube..
i wont need to bring cold air from outside will i .. i guess i can just have a passive intake from the warmer indoor air (which happens to have more co2 anyway right)
the only problem i seem to have is with humidity.. cant get it below 60 .. probably because of the soil... and the fact they need watering every 2-days..

more reasons to go hydro huh.

 

[Heads Up]

One more things.... I pull a crazy amound of leaves from my grows as a small space and giant plants = wayyyyyyyy tooo many leaves. Next run I'm growing more smaller plants to try to avoid pulling so much plant matter out. It's like I veg longer than everyone, just to trim off half the damn plant.

Heads up> Wow. I'm impressed with the vintage cannabis collection. Being a sports memorabilia guy, I appreciate old books and fliers like that, really get's me going. Thanks for sharing that with us. Just beyond cool to me.

Also, I'm equally impressed with the Scooby Do sheets. I'm correct with that, yeah? Old school all around.

Lastly, weight per plant really means nothing my friend. Some people run SOG and only get 1/2 oz per plant. And the outdoor guys get 1 pound or more from 1 plant. It's really your growing style.

I have pulled a leaf or two off here and there from previous grows, this grow I trimmed more leaves than ever and in a week it's barely noticable. I took off quite a few fan leaves from all the plants, didn't seem to bother them a bit and the side growth was worth the loss of leaves. You are welcome jig, I'm pleased you enjoyed it. What's even better, it's almost in pristine condition, no bent edges, no loss of color, as you can see with the same pic taken with and without flash. Yes, you are correct, that's scooby. He's been with me from here to california and back. I've had him at least twelve years. He is not in pristine condition. He's a comforter, not sheets. I'm old jig, I'm from the old school, would you expect anything else?