The Grow II (Shining Silver Haze) W/LED Illuminator- Soil to Dwc Grow
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Pure
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So I've been working on the space and it's finished except for the electricity. Here are the pics. Today I'll do the electricity and then tomorrow hopefully I'll move the plants in to their new space.
As i look at the old germination shelf, I'm kinda impressed. it's been stealth and i didn't even realize it. People have come buy, had drinks gone to the bathroom just in the next room. And noone noticed! Hehehehe Not bad.
Ciao,
Pure...
As i look at the old germination shelf, I'm kinda impressed. it's been stealth and i didn't even realize it. People have come buy, had drinks gone to the bathroom just in the next room. And noone noticed! Hehehehe Not bad.
Ciao,
Pure...
Flo Grow
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Okay, I see what you're working with.
Looks like you plan on doing a SCROG.
How much head room you have up there ?
For you and the plants ?
Watch that Summer heat though !
One of those 120qt (30gal) coolers that I saw yesterday at Wal Fart for $54, would be real nice for a clone only run up there.
Looks like you plan on doing a SCROG.
How much head room you have up there ?
For you and the plants ?
Watch that Summer heat though !
One of those 120qt (30gal) coolers that I saw yesterday at Wal Fart for $54, would be real nice for a clone only run up there.
Pure
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Yep, SCROG it is. Since I'm limited on space I figured the best option was scrogging. Head room is not constant Hi in the middle an tapered on the sides (obviously following the nape of the roof)The top left panel is removable for canopy access. I didn't think about the heat factor 
, or the cold for that matter. I might wind up growing in the winter using the 400W HiD just to counter the cold!! HA! At least i wont have to worry about cooling then!!
I also decided not to move into the 25 Liter buckets, I've instead bought 2 more 14 liter bins, and I'll use 1 plant per bin with one extra bin for solution swaps! The girls are really hanging on but I'm like 100% sure there is only water in the tank and zero nutes! It's been about 2-3 Weeks running the same solution 2 plants 14 liters. But before they hadn't really a root system but now they're sucking up drinks like two drunk sailors!!
Gonna give a nute change today. The tomorrow move them into separate tanks. I need to get a template for cutting the hole out for my net pots. My last circle really shouldn't be called circles. And everyone else's are so.... Round! So I'll wait till the grow shop opens tomorrow, go cop some of those disks and use it as a template for the circle!
, or the cold for that matter. I might wind up growing in the winter using the 400W HiD just to counter the cold!! HA! At least i wont have to worry about cooling then!! I also decided not to move into the 25 Liter buckets, I've instead bought 2 more 14 liter bins, and I'll use 1 plant per bin with one extra bin for solution swaps! The girls are really hanging on but I'm like 100% sure there is only water in the tank and zero nutes! It's been about 2-3 Weeks running the same solution 2 plants 14 liters. But before they hadn't really a root system but now they're sucking up drinks like two drunk sailors!!
Gonna give a nute change today. The tomorrow move them into separate tanks. I need to get a template for cutting the hole out for my net pots. My last circle really shouldn't be called circles. And everyone else's are so.... Round! So I'll wait till the grow shop opens tomorrow, go cop some of those disks and use it as a template for the circle!
Pure
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I was wondering why mùy girls are only about 7 or 8 inches high. I used the nutrient calculator on the advanced nutrients web site and noticed that i'm supposed to have given a dose of nutes each week. I only filled it once 3 weeks ago. BAD DAD!! Well live and learn. They actually did well sitting in a dead res with 1/3 of the appropriate water level. Fortunately i have a big air pump and it was bubbling enough to keep all of the roots moist. I also changed out my airstone for a longer one. I figure if that little blue guy you see in the tank was doing ok. Then a longer one would be better. 
You can also see a line in this pic
of where the res started asq opposed to how low the res is now. And look at my root system!
fuckin awesome considering where these girls came (soil, bad nutes, week lights, transfer to DWC, directly put under intense LED's.) Now they are just growing and if i could stay off of HALO I could probably finish my electricity!!
Ciao,
Pure...
Pure
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Hey FG,
Someone in another thread kinda hinted that there is no reason doing a attic grow with just a 90W LED. From speaking with my light manufacturer, they state that my light is great for a 1 Sq Mtr space like I have. Whatcha think dude? You know any doubt totally throws me into a tailspin since I seriously want this grow to go properly. Dude I need to do myown grow wo bad, because here they spay chemicals on the grass. I have no idea what but I sure as hell don't want to smoke it. And everyone else is into Soap Bar hash!! I can't take it it's crap hash even after I try to clean it. I'm thinking of adding another illuminator but I'm kinda thinking I'm good.....
Ciao,
Pure...
Pure
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Ok so over the weekend I ran the electricity, added a new reservoir so now each plant has it's on 9 liters to drink from. i placed the girls in the scrog this morning then figured out that i really don't know what to do. So i bent them and I'll read up on exactly what i need to do, when i get home from work. My space is small but serves my purpose and also lends itself to a small clone area, using my same shelf as before so i should have a pretty pseudo perpetual garden! 
Now I'm ready to invest in another strain but there are so fucking many!!!! Jesus how the hell do you chose!! I'm sure many of you have mates to share buds and talk about different strains, but I don't, since I'm not in my home country, I'm kinda a loner here..
Ciao,
Pure...
Now I'm ready to invest in another strain but there are so fucking many!!!! Jesus how the hell do you chose!! I'm sure many of you have mates to share buds and talk about different strains, but I don't, since I'm not in my home country, I'm kinda a loner here..
Ciao,
Pure...
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Flo Grow
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So far so good, Pure.
Like the layout !
Check the photo below too.
I bought and use a roll of twist tie (like on bread) from the garden section.
There's different things to choose from to tie it GENTLY to the screen.
You want the plant to be held down and guided but stilled allowed to stretch and grow, until it's time to be tucked under the screen again.
SCROG takes longer to veg BUT the reward is the large harvest that can be gained if done correctly with a medium-heavy to heavy yielding strain.
It's not uncommon to yield AT LEAST 1lb with a strain that is dialed in, using ONE PLANT !
Like the layout !
Check the photo below too.
I bought and use a roll of twist tie (like on bread) from the garden section.
There's different things to choose from to tie it GENTLY to the screen.
You want the plant to be held down and guided but stilled allowed to stretch and grow, until it's time to be tucked under the screen again.
SCROG takes longer to veg BUT the reward is the large harvest that can be gained if done correctly with a medium-heavy to heavy yielding strain.
It's not uncommon to yield AT LEAST 1lb with a strain that is dialed in, using ONE PLANT !
Pure
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Sup dude,
My grow is more like a Private chat between you and I! LOL I guess my grow is too small or doing good enough that no one has advice (except you dude). I put the screen down pretty tight on the plants I figure either this Haze is a really really short plant or MY LED was way too close. I'm hoping for door #2. If it is a normal growing plant then it'll be easier to guess when to stop vegging and flip tho flowering. But if it's really short by nature, it'll be hard to guess the stretch might easily under fill or overfill my small space. Well I see you have a girl on day 38 I'm at about day 30 ish so maybe if I can get about a good weeks worth of new push, I'll go right into flowering. I'm still up in the air on my Flowering nutes. I opened a thread but not many want to talk about Adv Nutrients.. Only the owner! So far they have been doing ok i guess.
I did buy my EC and PPM meter or more like a mS and ppt meter. I'm not so sure i'm reading it right since I followed the Adv nutes nutrient calendar so i should have proper readings but ... My meter read 2.45 ppt with 3.5x mS in one res. i figured from the equation that would be 2450 ppm, so my plants should have just shriveled up a died already.
Anyone familiar with the ADWA 32 ppt & mS reader?
Ciao,
Pure...
My grow is more like a Private chat between you and I! LOL I guess my grow is too small or doing good enough that no one has advice (except you dude). I put the screen down pretty tight on the plants I figure either this Haze is a really really short plant or MY LED was way too close. I'm hoping for door #2. If it is a normal growing plant then it'll be easier to guess when to stop vegging and flip tho flowering. But if it's really short by nature, it'll be hard to guess the stretch might easily under fill or overfill my small space. Well I see you have a girl on day 38 I'm at about day 30 ish so maybe if I can get about a good weeks worth of new push, I'll go right into flowering. I'm still up in the air on my Flowering nutes. I opened a thread but not many want to talk about Adv Nutrients.. Only the owner! So far they have been doing ok i guess.
I did buy my EC and PPM meter or more like a mS and ppt meter. I'm not so sure i'm reading it right since I followed the Adv nutes nutrient calendar so i should have proper readings but ... My meter read 2.45 ppt with 3.5x mS in one res. i figured from the equation that would be 2450 ppm, so my plants should have just shriveled up a died already.
Anyone familiar with the ADWA 32 ppt & mS reader?
Ciao,
Pure...
Flo Grow
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Don't trip about the fan fare on the thread.
It happens but constant posting is the key.
Most ppl look. Few wish to make contact.
When the show (bloom) is up and running, it picks up usually.
If it's you and I chillin and growin, so be it.
STILL GONNA HAVE SOME DANK TO SMOKE WHEN IT'S OVER AND DONE !!!! LMAO
Run those tabs/CO2 and get that yield up. Gotta have a hotter ambient air temp too !!
Now, how far above the plants is the LED ?
What is it's MAX penetration or do they even tell you ?
I never heard of that meter.
Why did you buy that one ?
Haze is a Sativa, so it's gonna stretch or should, a good 2.5 - 3 times when you go 12/12.
That's why I said veg until they are at least 8 - 10 inches.
Veg 12 - 15 inches if you want 3ft plants.
My plants are like this because they are hybrids that are mostly Sativa, so they had a good stretch when they decided to start blooming.
They were in veg the first 4 weeks, DESPITE being on 12/12 since Day 1.
You can't force her to bloom until she is ready.
It happens but constant posting is the key.
Most ppl look. Few wish to make contact.
When the show (bloom) is up and running, it picks up usually.
If it's you and I chillin and growin, so be it.
STILL GONNA HAVE SOME DANK TO SMOKE WHEN IT'S OVER AND DONE !!!! LMAO
Run those tabs/CO2 and get that yield up. Gotta have a hotter ambient air temp too !!
Now, how far above the plants is the LED ?
What is it's MAX penetration or do they even tell you ?
I never heard of that meter.
Why did you buy that one ?
Haze is a Sativa, so it's gonna stretch or should, a good 2.5 - 3 times when you go 12/12.
That's why I said veg until they are at least 8 - 10 inches.
Veg 12 - 15 inches if you want 3ft plants.
My plants are like this because they are hybrids that are mostly Sativa, so they had a good stretch when they decided to start blooming.
They were in veg the first 4 weeks, DESPITE being on 12/12 since Day 1.
You can't force her to bloom until she is ready.
Pure
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Ahhh,
I've been reading and I think Co2 tabs are not a bad idea. Since it's in the attic not much circulation of co2 so some tabs every so often should put some green in em
.
i just bought G13 Blueberry Gum Barney vanilla Kush and LSD. And i got 4 free feminized seed along with them. I know I've a bit of a way to go before I even scratch the surface of your seed bank!
I adjusted the light to about 14 inches above the plant. I spoke to prosource they confirmed 12 - 18 as nominal.
The meter is reputable ADWA (Hungarian).
I checked them out on the web. The unit is the same shape as your meter with the attached probe. It works well it just speaks in Chinese "mS and ppt" not ec and ppm. but I'm starting to speak it's language. I'll have it figured by morning. ( i feel another sleepless night coming).
I bought it because it was 48 and the others were cheap disposables..
The Shining Silver Haze is a hybrid the plant shouldn't even get over 80 CM tall. Which explains why it's growing so compact. But i haven't read anything about which trait it took regarding the stretch, so I'm not sure if I should vegg longer or let her fill out during the stretch. Oh well I still have 3 seeds, and I'm logging all of this so I wont make the same mistake IF i make one now.
Thanks for hangin out FG, i noticed that we wers in a few threads and I refrained from saying anything so it didn't look weird LOL..... peace dude
Ciao,
Pure...
I've been reading and I think Co2 tabs are not a bad idea. Since it's in the attic not much circulation of co2 so some tabs every so often should put some green in em
.i just bought G13 Blueberry Gum Barney vanilla Kush and LSD. And i got 4 free feminized seed along with them. I know I've a bit of a way to go before I even scratch the surface of your seed bank!
I adjusted the light to about 14 inches above the plant. I spoke to prosource they confirmed 12 - 18 as nominal.
The meter is reputable ADWA (Hungarian).
I checked them out on the web. The unit is the same shape as your meter with the attached probe. It works well it just speaks in Chinese "mS and ppt" not ec and ppm. but I'm starting to speak it's language. I'll have it figured by morning. ( i feel another sleepless night coming). I bought it because it was 48 and the others were cheap disposables..
The Shining Silver Haze is a hybrid the plant shouldn't even get over 80 CM tall. Which explains why it's growing so compact. But i haven't read anything about which trait it took regarding the stretch, so I'm not sure if I should vegg longer or let her fill out during the stretch. Oh well I still have 3 seeds, and I'm logging all of this so I wont make the same mistake IF i make one now.
Thanks for hangin out FG, i noticed that we wers in a few threads and I refrained from saying anything so it didn't look weird LOL..... peace dude
Ciao,
Pure...
gom
Active Member
Wow love your grow space. That is the bomb. But if your like me you will have a second LED in there soon and then you will start adding T5's and shit. I have a tendency to go a little overboard. I'm big on LED growing I use only LED's and T5's. In a small space.
But enough about me. +rep for the grow man and just wanted you to know. I'm pullin up a chair and seeing were this goes so get to it man. lol.
P.S. +rep for Flo for givin ya good advice and hangin in there with ya
But enough about me. +rep for the grow man and just wanted you to know. I'm pullin up a chair and seeing were this goes so get to it man. lol.
P.S. +rep for Flo for givin ya good advice and hangin in there with ya
onthedl0008
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Im peeping the grow. Interested in seeing what an led does. But would really like to see u finish them with the 400 u will be glad u did. Aint here to tell u how to grow tho. I grew with CFL's and whatever i could find when i first started but it wasnt till i added the HPS in flower that it really made it all worth my time. In that case it comes down to quantity verses the time and effort u put into ur grow. I see u putting in work bro. Use the HPS to flower man u will be glad u did and will maximize ur grows fullest potential. Im sticking around tho. Good stuff
Pure
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So Dudes,
Cool feedback. I guess this should have been a grow journal, but i didn't read before jumping into posting..
I've been running through this grow in my head. Especially after the advice to finish on my HiD. I think this grow will be 100% LED. The Illuminator is supposedly one of the better LED's out there. And according to them I should have all I need in order to produce in a 1m x 1m space. My push should be equivalent to at least a grow with a 150w HPS. They say equal to the usable light emitted by a 400w, but i guess our plants are lying because they must be using some of the "unusable" light, since I've not yet seen a 90W LED outperform a 400w anything!!
This grow will stay on the Illuminator. And i'll probably use base nutes of only Adv Nutrients. i'll use different additives as I learn them but i'll use a base of adv Nut. It'll be a good control measure..
next grow during the winter I will do an all HiD push still adv nut.
The finally I'll do a push vegging with illuminator, and flower on HiD and still adv nut
Then the final target would ideally be to get another Illuminator and see if it make a noticeable difference using 2 Illluminators for the entire grow.
Then hopefully I'll change nutes since these are expensive and I see that NOW, BUT they are one of the few complete lines available in shop at the local grow shops,
I guess we can't lose sight though that an LED grow is still sooo much lighter on the wallet in terms of electricity so there is definitely a trade off to be considered.
@ Flo grow - Dude I'm only running the 90W Illuminator now. reason being: Its supposed to be perfectly spec'd for my size grow area, without a scrog, so with it should be totally dialed in.
should be......
@ gom - you know dude, this UFO is supposed to be like the total "all u need" for a space my size, check it:
I'm not knocking whichever LED's your runnin' bro, (how could I? I haven't even perused your push yet
) but I kinda looked around and finally read a little before parachuting into this $300 investment. Especially when i'm sitting looking at this 400W Hid, sitting here lookin at me. In fact I think I MAY HAVE made the right choice because the more I find out about the light the more I'm impressed with it. For instance: it's one of the only LED designers (because they are all manufactured in China), that uses UV LED's so this should make for a totally resinous flower session. Oh dude fucking thanks for the Rep. good lookin out dude. totally appreciated!!
@onthedl - as u read earlier I'll take your advice but I'll probably do it in the form of a journal. Since I have some strains with similar grow traits coming I'll be able to run some controlled grows, including plant eating comparisons as well as growth pattens and reactions to only LED or LED HiD mix.
Guess i'll go buy those pH tabs and a proper pH tester today. it's a pain in the ass using the drops!! Total inefficient use of time!!!
fuck that getting a pH tester today! I'm just getting a bit tired of shelling out dough every 2 days!
Ciao,
Pure...
Cool feedback. I guess this should have been a grow journal, but i didn't read before jumping into posting..
I've been running through this grow in my head. Especially after the advice to finish on my HiD. I think this grow will be 100% LED. The Illuminator is supposedly one of the better LED's out there. And according to them I should have all I need in order to produce in a 1m x 1m space. My push should be equivalent to at least a grow with a 150w HPS. They say equal to the usable light emitted by a 400w, but i guess our plants are lying because they must be using some of the "unusable" light, since I've not yet seen a 90W LED outperform a 400w anything!!
This grow will stay on the Illuminator. And i'll probably use base nutes of only Adv Nutrients. i'll use different additives as I learn them but i'll use a base of adv Nut. It'll be a good control measure..
next grow during the winter I will do an all HiD push still adv nut.
The finally I'll do a push vegging with illuminator, and flower on HiD and still adv nut
Then the final target would ideally be to get another Illuminator and see if it make a noticeable difference using 2 Illluminators for the entire grow.
Then hopefully I'll change nutes since these are expensive and I see that NOW, BUT they are one of the few complete lines available in shop at the local grow shops,
I guess we can't lose sight though that an LED grow is still sooo much lighter on the wallet in terms of electricity so there is definitely a trade off to be considered.
@ Flo grow - Dude I'm only running the 90W Illuminator now. reason being: Its supposed to be perfectly spec'd for my size grow area, without a scrog, so with it should be totally dialed in.
should be......@ gom - you know dude, this UFO is supposed to be like the total "all u need" for a space my size, check it:
I'm not knocking whichever LED's your runnin' bro, (how could I? I haven't even perused your push yet
) but I kinda looked around and finally read a little before parachuting into this $300 investment. Especially when i'm sitting looking at this 400W Hid, sitting here lookin at me. In fact I think I MAY HAVE made the right choice because the more I find out about the light the more I'm impressed with it. For instance: it's one of the only LED designers (because they are all manufactured in China), that uses UV LED's so this should make for a totally resinous flower session. Oh dude fucking thanks for the Rep. good lookin out dude. totally appreciated!!@onthedl - as u read earlier I'll take your advice but I'll probably do it in the form of a journal. Since I have some strains with similar grow traits coming I'll be able to run some controlled grows, including plant eating comparisons as well as growth pattens and reactions to only LED or LED HiD mix.
Guess i'll go buy those pH tabs and a proper pH tester today. it's a pain in the ass using the drops!! Total inefficient use of time!!!
fuck that getting a pH tester today! I'm just getting a bit tired of shelling out dough every 2 days!Ciao,
Pure...
onthedl0008
Well-Known Member
Yea bro did read thru and realize exactly where ur at proper cooling and venting of the Hps is a must and this can get expensive so all things in moderation fosho. Temps are a key element. Especially being able to keep direct heat from the lamp off the tops of the plants. Im all dialed in now like i said definetly not knocking the grow whatsoever sounds like u have thought things thru fur shur. Just chilling and along for the ride at this point. Good stuff man.So Dudes,
Cool feedback. I guess this should have been a grow journal, but i didn't read before jumping into posting..
IO've been running through this grow in my head. Especially after the advice to finish on my HiD. I think this grow will be 100% LED. The Illuminator is supposedly one of the better LED's out there. And according to them I should have all I need in order to produce in a 1m x 1m space. My push should be equivalent to at least a grow with a 150w HPS. They say equal to the usable light emitted by a 400w, but i guess our plants are lying because they must be using some of the "unusable" light, since I've not yet seen a 90W LED outperform a 400w anything!!
This grow will stay on the Illuminator. And i'll probably use base nutes of only Adv Nutrients. i'll use different additives as I learn them but i'll use a base of adv Nut. It'll be a good control measure..
next grow during the winter I will do an all HiD push still adv nut.
The finally I'll do a push vegging with illuminator, and flower on HiD and still adv nut
Then the final target would ideally be to get another Illuminator and see if it make a noticeable difference using 2 Illluminators for the entire grow.
Then hopefully I'll change nutes since these are expensive and I see that NOW, BUT they are one of the few complete lines available in shop at the local grow shops,
I guess we can't lose sight though that an LED grow is still sooo much lighter on the wallet in terms of electricity so there is definitely a trade off to be considered.
@ Flo grow - Dude I'm only running the 90W Illuminator now. reason being: Its supposed to be perfectly spec'd for my size grow area, without a scrog, so with it should be totally dialed in.
@ gom - you know dude, this UFO is supposed to be like the total "all u need" for a space my size, check it:View attachment 1174520
I'm not knocking whichever LED's your runnin' bro, (how could I? I haven't even perused your push yet
@onthedl - as u read earlier I'll take your advice but I'll probably do it in the form of a journal. Since I have some strains with similar grow traits coming I'll be able to run some controlled grows, including plant eating comparisons as well as growth pattens and reactions to only LED or LED HiD mix.
Guess i'll go buy those pH tabs and a proper pH tester today. it's a pain in the ass using the drops!! Total inefficient use of time!!!
Ciao,
Pure...
Flo Grow
Well-Known Member
Good job stickin to your guns Pure.
There won't be any, " I wonder...." !
You'll learn A LOT from just growing these plants, let alone having the advantage over MOST to use LED's, HID's or a combo there of !!!!
You can have a serious thread going if you post all those grows with different lights, or run them with clones at the same time !!!
There won't be any, " I wonder...." !
You'll learn A LOT from just growing these plants, let alone having the advantage over MOST to use LED's, HID's or a combo there of !!!!
You can have a serious thread going if you post all those grows with different lights, or run them with clones at the same time !!!