NO! On Prop 19

mr2shim

mr2shim

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puffntuff said:
its not making it legal to everyone its putting stipulations on it for everyone. like one other poter said we worked hard to break threw the laws no reason to add anymore.
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It's through not threw.

and how is it not making it legal? It clearly states it in the prop. Anyone with a reading comprehension level greater than a 6 year old can understand that. I think you had better read it for yourself and stop relying on 3rd parties to tell you the "facts".
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of_Proposition_19,_the_%22Regulate,_Control_and_Tax_Cannabis_Act_of_2010%22_%28California%29#B._Purposes


but you know something, during prohibition of alcohol. I'm sure there were tons of idiots like you and others who opposed it for no good reason. Then again, unlike alcohol marijuana doesn't kill you.
 
puffntuff

puffntuff

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i read the law i think you need to. threw through thru who the fuck cares its a forum not english class bud.
 
drherbalist

drherbalist

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growermike666 said:
Yeah!!! keep up the good work!!! The most recent reuters/ispos poll show prop 19 down by 10 points!!!
Let's hit this thing hard!! Derail and debunk this horrible legislation!! Leave it by the wayside derailed, abandoned, shipwrecked, forgotten, and defeated!!!

Prop 19 will set us all back decades. Prop 19 enforces all existing marijuana laws and even adds more some of which are serious felonies. It's a Trojan Horse, a fake.

Keep marijuana legal. Vote no on prop 19. Prohibition never worked and prop 19 is prohibition that provides funding allocated to enforce these "new" laws as well as the old laws and prohibitions.

Let's hit em hard and tell the truth about prop 19. Get the word out. Hopefully it will keep going down in the polls and we will win and marijuana will stay legal:clap:.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101006/hl_nm/us_usa_elections_california_marijuana_3
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Boy do you get your news late. Try this....the latest:
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As we get closer to the elections, the tides are turning in FAVOR of PROP 19.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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mr2shim said:
How a person talks/types shows a lot about their intelligence.
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Not at all in my opinion. It just shows how good at English they are. I'm terrible with spelling and grammar. I'm fantastic with math/science. I finished my college math requirements in 7th grade. It took me 3 tries to pass English 1a in college. You can't measure someone's intelligence by their spelling/grammar.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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If this passes, I wonder how many years it will take for it to get to the bible belt republican south. Any guesses? My guess is 15-20 years
 
drherbalist

drherbalist

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TokinPodPilot said:
Sorry, I could never personally rationalize paying a tax to fund further enforcement, especially since young adults will have been suddenly criminalized for simple possession. The only ones this keeps employed are the ones arresting cannabis users. Thanks, but no thanks.
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How else do you envision enforcement of the grow ops? Dispensaries? Etc. to ensure they are following the rules and regulations? Inspections come with a cost as every single other aspect of local government. So where do you suggest that money come from?

Young adults are currently cited for simple possession. That is the way the law currently stands. So it would continue to be a crime under Prop 19.

It keeps a lot more employed than what you mentioned TokinPodPilot and actually creates more jobs. From growers, trimmers, budtenders, drivers, electricians, real estate agents, insurance brokers, instructors, web designers, photographers .... and more. It could inject commerce and jobs in a state that so desperately needs it. This isn't about me me me....this is about me and you...its about US.
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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drherbalist said:
How else do you envision enforcement of the grow ops? Dispensaries? Etc. to ensure they are following the rules and regulations? Inspections come with a cost as every single other aspect of local government. So where do you suggest that money come from?

Young adults are currently cited for simple possession. That is the way the law currently stands. So it would continue to be a crime under Prop 19.

It keeps a lot more employed than what you mentioned TokinPodPilot and actually creates more jobs. From growers, trimmers, budtenders, drivers, electricians, real estate agents, insurance brokers, instructors, web designers, photographers .... and more. It could inject commerce and jobs in a state that so desperately needs it. This isn't about me me me....this is about me and you...its about US.
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Lawyers, judges, Monsanto, cops, prison guards, drug treatment centers(For the criminally under age), and a bunch of other "regulators" this will require.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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If prop 19 passes a bunch of people will profit or be employed by that. If it fails, a different group of people will continue to profit and be employed by that. Illegal growers, prisons, and drug agents, etc will all continue to be employed or make huge profits off the current system. If prop 19 passes, yes, douchbags like Richard Lee will make money. Some small business will start up, others will shut down.

If prop 19 passes, some assholes and some good people will financially benefit or suffer. If prop 19 fails then some assholes and some good people will financially benefit of suffer. This happens either way.

The question we have to all ask ourselves is does this bring us a step closer to ending prohibition.

In my opinion that is a definite yes! It's a yes for two reasons. It will likely lead to other states passing legalization laws. Also it allows counties/cities to end prohibition locally. If you want to fight big national or state lobby/interest groups your best chance to do so is at a local level. If prohibition ends it may very well have to be done county by county, city by city in the beginning. Prop 19 allows us to have that fight.
 
klmmicro

klmmicro

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I just wonder why the opposition chooses not to see this...the argument that someone will get rich under prop 19 is just not a valid reason to vote no.

Like you said, with the prop passed, then we have the legal means to fight. Without it, more of the same we can expect.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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klmmicro said:
I just wonder why the opposition chooses not to see this...the argument that someone will get rich under prop 19 is just not a valid reason to vote no.
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It makes me wonder what their real motivations are for opposing prop 19. They obviously see this and choose to ignore it. Hard to have an honest discussion with people who refuse to take into account obvious truths.

Like you said, with the prop passed, then we have the legal means to fight. Without it, more of the same we can expect.
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Yep. It'll be prohibition as usual. I'm not saying prop 19 ends prohibition, but it does give us a great way to fight prohibition. Hard to fight multimillion dollar lobbies on the national level. But on the county level every voter has access to their board of supervisors. You don't need to be a CEO. They have open office hours where anyone can talk to them. Big lobbies usually don't play on that level.

A single person can go out and gather a couple hundred signatures of registered voters on a petition. A county supervisor will take that very seriously. You don't need a million dollars to effect local progress. Prop 19 allows cities and counties to end prohibition entirely in a way that an average person can have a serious effect. There is no disputing that this is a good thing.
 
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