Aliens

guy incognito

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So what makes you an authority on the barriers of nature? With enough time, comes more intelligence. With more intelligence, comes the ability to possibly overcome the barriers of nature as we know it in our present time. Do you know everything is to know about space and time? Our top scientists haven't even begun to scratch the surface about the universe around us. So who's to say anybody is an authority on natures barriers. With the given knowledge that our best scientists have, it's just their best guess.
NO, no, no, no, no. We have not overcome a single barrier of nature, otherwise it wouldn't have been a barrier. What we have done is understand nature better and work within her limitations. There is a huge difference between not understanding how to achieve something that is theoretically possible, and achieving something that violates the laws of nature. The latter will not be broken with time and intelligence.
 

Dropastone

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NO, no, no, no, no. We have not overcome a single barrier of nature, otherwise it wouldn't have been a barrier. What we have done is understand nature better and work within her limitations. There is a huge difference between not understanding how to achieve something that is theoretically possible, and achieving something that violates the laws of nature. The latter will not be broken with time and intelligence.
Nobody fully knows or understands the laws of nature. With time and a better understanding of our universe, I firmly believe that we can overcome are so called laws of nature and travel between the stars. So far you have not presented me with a shred of evidence that says otherwise. The only thing that you keep bringing to the table is what we know now.

With our technology we have today I fully agree with you that interstellar travel is most likely impossible for us, I will give you that. But hey, who knows what another 100 or even a thousand years will bring us in terms of intelligence and a better understanding of our universe and it's laws of nature.

If you don't think there are more highly advanced civilizations out there that could possibly be a billion years ahead of us with a better understanding of our universe than we currently do and the laws that govern it and also have the know how to reach the stars, well then I have to disagree.

For now I guess we will have to agree to disagree with one another because I feel like we are both beating a dead horse here on this subject.

So good day to you sir.:peace:
 

guy incognito

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Nobody fully knows or understands the laws of nature. With time and a better understanding of our universe, I firmly believe that we can overcome are so called laws of nature and travel between the stars. So far you have not presented me with a shred of evidence that says otherwise. The only thing that you keep bringing to the table is what we know now.

With our technology we have today I fully agree with you that interstellar travel is most likely impossible for us, I will give you that. But hey, who knows what another 100 or even a thousand years will bring us in terms of intelligence and a better understanding of our universe and it's laws of nature.

If you don't think there are more highly advanced civilizations out there that could possibly be a billion years ahead of us with a better understanding of our universe than we currently do and the laws that govern it and also have the know how to reach the stars, well then I have to disagree.

For now I guess we will have to agree to disagree with one another because I feel like we are both beating a dead horse here on this subject.

So good day to you sir.:peace:
Nobody FULLY understands ALL the laws of nature, but we have a pretty damn good idea of a lot of them. And I will again bring up the speed of light. The speed we came up with is not because we are ignorant of how light travels or how fast, quite the opposite. We have a decent understanding of it, and have verified again and again that it is the cosmic speed limit. This is a bit like being on a dark road, and someone saying we will never be able to travel 10 miles up the road when we can't see 10 feet in front of us. We don't know what lies ahead, and given enough time and provisions we may very well travel 10 miles, or we may not. You have no real evidence one way or the other. But at some point you reach the end of the road, and at that point you won't be saying "maybe we can travel another 10 miles". When someone points out it is the literal end of the road, you can't possibly go on any further and you just say "yeah but you said that 10 miles ago and look how far we've come!"

We aren't at the end of the road, but we can see it and know where it is. Everything I have read about it indicates we will not be able to travel any faster. It fundamentally disagrees with the theories we've tested thousands of times. In fact all evidence points to the fact that we will NOT be able to exceed that speed - ever, not in practice, and not even in theory.

I have been provided with enough evidence to make me believe that. I highly doubt any new discoveries about how the universe works will negate the massive amount of data we have corroborating this. If we have any hope at all it NOT be ftl travel I am very confident of this. It will be some other manipulation of space. Given our current knowledge this also seems extremely unlikely to me. Not because we aren't smart enough, or haven't had enough time, or don't understand enough about the universe, but because it fundamentally does not work and may not even be possible, especially on the scale we are considering.
 

mindphuk

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Dogon and Sirius

The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had contact with some ugly, amphibious* extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. The aliens came here for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting Sirius some 8.6 light years from earth. The alleged visitors from outer space seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless astronomical information.
One of Temple's main pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star Sirius. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes fifty years. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Dogon to explain their beliefs. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original sources for Temple's story. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story.
Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. According to Griaule and Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational characteristics. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with ancient Egypt.*
Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that seem curious. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. They seem to have knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other things. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from extraterrestrial visitors? They don’t have telescopes or other scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Temple’s answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer space.
Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. "Lecture 1st Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). There is, of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge from black Egyptians who had telescopes.
a terrestrial source?
Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological civilization. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Perhaps the source was Temple himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an interpreter.
According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from technological societies located on planet earth. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Furthermore, there had been a good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts of earth and transmitted in conversation.
Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of the Dogon. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem African thought. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit.
Knowledge of the stars is not important either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. The position of the sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. No Dogon outside of the circle of Griaule's informants had ever heard of sigu tolo or po tolo... Most important, no one, even within the circle of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*
According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new myths by confabulation." Griaule either informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible companion" (Bullard).
The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin.
 

SOGfarmer

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The fact that there is so many religions is due to the Devil being very clever. He continuously tries to find ways to lead us astray. He reveals half truths and gives just enough insight into certain subject to make people follow them.
Well I can't argue with that lol.
 

SOGfarmer

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Why would the emergence of a new species mean the previous one no longer exists? I mean by this logic you should only have "Life: the final version". Sounds like you are the one missing a few brain cells.

And the limitation of visiting across the universe isn't a matter of technology. It's more fundamental than that, we are restricted by the laws of nature.

Also the energy required for interstellar travel makes it totally illogical that anyone would ever use it as a resource gathering mission. The time and energy required are staggering. It will never ever happen. We will most likely never visit another star, and im 100% certain we will never visit another star that has intelligent life. Nor will they visit us.
You have NO IDEA where we will be at in 100000 years. Think about a hundred years ago and we an already prove that time travel is possible with advanced mathematics. It is more than probable that a society out there, or many, have the ability to travel through space and time. And we will in the distant future. If you believe that aliens have ever been to our planet than you are contradicting yourself beause they would need to manipulate space and time to get here due to the infinate size and distance between us. And Laws of Nature?!? WTF kind of physical scientific evidence is that. Show something real.
 

beardo

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What you think are aliens are actually hyper dimensional beings. They are all around. They are outside of our visual spectrum. Some of the malevolent beings feed off of negative human emotion. Historically thet are what could be considered demons.
Those are reptillians some of them are people you can see some you can not see and some are in between but then theirs aliens and aliens are real reptilians might be related to aliens
 

beardo

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I've smoked plenty of bong rips and pondered a lot of things. The argument that some technology we have today would have seemed "magic" to someone back in the day doesn't really mean that anything we consider "magic" now is equally as likely to happen given time. Yes a lighter would have seemed "magic" to them, but that's because they had NO CLUE about what was fundamentally going on. The science behind a hand held lighter is easy to explain, and fits well within the laws of nature. Nothing magic about it. Traversing galaxies at greater than speed...that's and entirely different story. With the lighter they just had ignorance, just the absence of how that worked or would attribute it to something supernatural. .
all your stuff your cell phone and t.v. are alien technolegy we have had for years they reverse engineered it to seem beleviable they made a phone then a cordless then a cell so it would make sence but those were developed from bad ass alien stuff we have that hasn't even come out yet
 

guy incognito

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all your stuff your cell phone and t.v. are alien technolegy we have had for years they reverse engineered it to seem beleviable they made a phone then a cordless then a cell so it would make sence but those were developed from bad ass alien stuff we have that hasn't even come out yet
far out man.

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im fucking baked man.
 

beardo

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Anyone remember when the air force fought the aliens over washington D.C.? it was in the 50"s over 1000 people watched it in the middle of the day
 

Dropastone

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The audio is about 3 to 5 sec out of sync but it's watchable

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About the first 3 min of part 4 is the last 3 min part of part 3


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SOGfarmer

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Beardo. No way are you right. In one post you just took all the credit away from any human being who has ever invented or created any advanced device. No. We have had contact w aliens for a long time and still do, we did not get our shitty technology from them.
 

beardo

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Beardo. No way are you right. In one post you just took all the credit away from any human being who has ever invented or created any advanced device. No. We have had contact w aliens for a long time and still do, we did not get our shitty technology from them.
Are you trying to tell me airplanes and cellphones didn't come from aliens? I understand people made them but It had to be done with alien technolegy
 
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