Shutn up about kush

Brick Top

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if being a fad doesnt make something better then why you tryna grip nutts so hard to the strains from the 70's? lol

It is in part because most people here are unable to distinguish between actual quality and a something being a fad.

In my area of the U.S. in the late 60's and most of the 70's there were no fad strains. People did have individual preferences but I never knew of groups of people all hyped up on one strain. They were all anywhere from very good to incredibly fantastic. One reason why fad weed did not exist then, at least not in my area, was virtually everything in that era was a sativa, and I mean a real sativa, not some cross that is predominantly sativa. That might sound boring to some but there can be a big difference in pure sativas so there was variety. Some were very fast and would cause paranoia. Some was very invigorating and made you want to do things, anything, just as long as you were doing something .... and whatever it was you were doing, you loved every second of it. Some was very relaxing, very calming. Some made everything so funny that you would laugh and laugh and laugh like a scene out of "Reefer Madness," minus of course the murder and insanity bits in the flick. But all still gave you a clear soaring head high along with whatever various subtleties they each had.

There were not several thousand strains all being hyped by slick advertising copy and relying on totally dubious claims of potency. They were not marketed like today and tokers were not being sold the belief that one or another is something truly special, something above and beyond all the rest. There were not known breeders who in the minds of tokers were seen as being superior so therefore any crap they foisted on the public has instant credibility and no matter how worthless it was there would be someone who would claim it to be one of the best, or maybe even the best, just because of who created it.

The first fad strain or strains I ever knew of were Jamaican. Those hit the area and people went nuts and that is all they wanted, to them it was the best ever. It wasn't actually better. It was just different in different ways than what most people were used to. Hawaiian was next. Again, it was not better, it was just different in a different way. Over time there were others but starting with the Hawaiian we were seeing crosses and the more crosses we saw the more there would be small groups of people who would swear to God that the cross that particular little group loved was the best there had ever been.

For a while if something wasn't Chronic it was not worth smoking. For a while the only strains worth smoking were Skunk strains. If it wasn't skunk it was not worth purchasing or growing. The word skunk itself became synonymous with uber-potent strains. Strains that were not actually skunk strains but were potent were called skunk in some areas of the world. Skunk became a classification, a seal of approval. That's all many people wanted. Before long people saw Skunk strains as being run of the mill, old hat, just good herb and that is all, but certainly nothing so special that people were getting all cuckoo for Coca Puffs over Skunk anymore.

It was not like suddenly Skunk strains were not as potent as they once were. It was not that suddenly there were new strains that just came out that were so much more potent. It was a fad, like Kush, and it died out, just like the Kush fad will too.

Since then fad after fad has come and gone. Most, if not all, fad strains of the past for the most part died out. They had become unpopular and few if any breeders offered them any longer. They went from hero to zero and the Kush craze will do the same thing. It may take a year and it might take two years, but something else will become the next fad and in time breeders will not be able to give away Kush strains.

The other part is the totally inaccurate misconception that today's puppies have about strains they never experienced in their entire lives. Strains that were created through thousands and thousands of years of evolution or by Mother Nature of God or whoever or whatever you want to credit for them, and they were truly incredible.

I have fully explained how the testing procedure for determining THC levels was altered resulting in false high THC level ratings. I have fully explained how the Government claims of THC levels of the 60's and 70's were highly questionable, not only because of the different testing procedure, used trhen being different but also because of how most tests were performed on the largest busts that were almost always the lowest grade commercial strains found in major busts of massive shipments. I fully explained how the confiscated herb would sit in Government warehouses exposed to light and air and heat and humidity, sometimes for as much as a year or more, before testing would be done and everyone here should know that storing herb under those conditions will result in loss of THC. All of those facts are being totally ignored by those who get a baby-bone over Kush strains.

On a little side note, I find it amazing that a group of people who for the most part would not believe anything the Government says, even if it was raining, they were standing out in the rain, and some Government official said, it's raining ... many here would question the honesty of the statement just because of the source. But those same people 100% rely on old Government information for their alleged proof of THC levels of the past.

I also find it very amusing that people who never experienced the pot of the past actually believe that they know more about it and can better rate or rank it than those who smoked it and have smoked ever since and have personally experienced herb of the 60's and the 70's and of the 80's and of the 90's and right up until today.

To me that would be like some kid who is new to baseball hearing about Nolan Ryan and saying Nolan Ryan couldn't throw a fastball to save his life, that he was a junkball pitcher at best, or that Goose Gossage couldn't bring the heat .. even though in the All-Star game in 1978 both Ryan and Gossage registered a 103 MPH pitch in the same game. The kid new to baseball would be like many here today, he would refuse to accept those things he did not see, did not witness, did not personally experience. They would say only modern day pitchers can bring the heat. They would not believe it when told how an US Army Ballistic Ordnance Chronograph Instruments used to test the speed of Army ordnance timed Bob Feller at at 106 and 108 mph. The kid would say, because that was in the past it didn't really happen, things weren't really the way the old timers think they were, they are just clinging to their glory years and trying to make them seem so much better than they ever were, just like the Kush lovers of today claim about the high quality strains of the 60's and 70's. They utterly fail to realize that they are doing precisely what they claim an old timer like me does, that being attempting to fool, or succeeding in fooling themselves into believing they are smoking the very best ever.

They want to believe that and they need to believe that so they desperately cling to any and all dubious to totally false claim they can about the weed of both eras so they can feel good, so they can feel better, so they can say I smoke the best there has ever been. WHOOPIE!

Some people, many people, in fact far too many people wrongly assume that new or newer is always better. About many different things in life they would be totally wrong to believe that.

I have said it before, and I posted a long list to prove it, but most Cup winning strains have their roots in the very strains that many people here love to claim were crap, various sativa strains smoked in the 60's and 70's. It is not like those genetics have nearly or virtually been bred out of the new strains and later work made up for the error or mistake of relying on low quality genetics. It is the opposite. They are the core of the modern loved strains, the main building blocks that make them what they are and what make them loved, but due to misinformation and ignorance all the credit for the strains successes have been given to the small amount of indica, especially Kush strains, that were eventually used in some crosses.

I would bet anything that if some real true honest to goodness 100% pure Dalat seeds could be found and the Kush lovers smoked some they could not handle it. They would not be overcome with paranoia, because it was not a strain known for causing paranoia, but the high was incredible and it hit you hard and it hit you fast. It was like a Star Trek warp factor 10 ride. It would take you places that no strain today can take you and it would take you there almost instantly. I have seen true hardened party commandos overcome by Dalat. I have seen and heard them blurt out HOLY SHIT as they first began to exhale their first toke because they were already strapped to a rocket-sled and starting the ride of their life. I have seen and heard them say they were too high and had to go to bed, after only one, two or in a few cases three tokes ... and again, these were no lightweights. These were hardened veteran party commandos who had smoked and smoked and smoked some of the best strains there have ever been.

I would LOVE to be able to sit around with a pack of today's puppies and pass a pipe of real true pure Dalat with them and then sit back and enjoy their reactions. It would be hilarious.

Now due to Kush lovers being in love with the Beavis & Butthead numbed mind and body, asses glued to a couch, eating gas station burritos and big gulps eyes glued to a TV set they would not like the high, it would not be their preference. But that is the key to it all. They believe preference equates to most potent and the very best when in fact all it actually equates to is personal preference.

The strains I talk about are not at all about personal preference though. I, and others like me, what few there are of us there are that remain, have a totally different perspective in that we have lived and experienced the things others here, most here in fact, never lived, never experienced and fail to have equal knowledge of. They will never understand and they will never accept because they lack a common frame of reference.

In place of a common frame of reference they rely on inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
 

JayRolla

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The older cats just think its better back then because they where younger and lower tolerenced back then.

I can smoke pure trichomes all day from bomb shit and never stop. The only thing that would stop me is my throat would be so raw I cant smoke anymore.

My dad was from the 60's and 70's. They said the first fad strain was the Columbian Red compared to regular Columbian.
 

ValleGrown

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Bricktop my experienced used and riu'er.



I'm gonna go ahead and accept your answer there with that being very valid and a true point. But I will say acting like all bud (every strain ) from the sixties and seventies was better and more pure. You keep posting these fucking monologues man... Like you have extensive knowledge. . . You probably do. But understand that most of us as "puppies" have smoked chronic our whole lives cuz thats the only thing I can reference. I would love to experience pure dalat. I smoked the world renouned white widow my very first time. I couldn't keep it together in he Chinese buffet we went to. I couldnt talk. Only laugh lol. It was awesome. What I want you to understand that pot today isn't necessarily all about the star trek ride into or out of your mind . Lol which ever way you choose to dive. But more or less medicinal purposes that I stated previously. Different qualities of bud produce great varieties of application.'bud back in the70- 80's was not medicinally applicated. How bout we squash this argument of old timers vs new timers bs. don't accept that you think all we know is fad. Dude I just smoke weed.
It's not about fad or what's cool. My dealers have never paid attention to "names" that's just childish. Saying "oh hey guys I just toked this purp and I can taste the grape!!!!" That's bullshit might get a slight hint of the grapes but not fully fledged grape soda like you hear some kids claim today. I just smoke weed dude. Kush is just a "rap" fad with "lilweezy" rapping about how he smokes that kush. It's an advertising scheme for people to catch on to the media getting their fingers into every thing. I bet you could smoke some weed back in the day bricktop don't get me wrong but today's weed is not watered down or a fad. People who strap a name like that on it are just looking for extra cash money. Fuck em. I bet some people don't even read these long ass posts man. Lol they just skim.
 

ValleGrown

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In place of a common frame of reference they rely on inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

And quit acting like you eyes are more open than ours dude. We woke up to the government climbing in our window. They straight up robbed the baby boomers whilst they plan and premeditate your retardedment (read:retirement)
 

Brick Top

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The older cats just think its better back then because they where younger and lower tolerenced back then.

I can smoke pure trichomes all day from bomb shit and never stop. The only thing that would stop me is my throat would be so raw I cant smoke anymore.

My dad was from the 60's and 70's. They said the first fad strain was the Columbian Red compared to regular Columbian.
That is the most typical response made about older tokers, a change in tolerance levels. I have already clearly stated that if I smoke a good quality 100% sativa I get just as high just as quick as I did in the 60's and the 70's. Maybe I am in a 5% group of people like that, or maybe I would fit into a 1% group, but at least in my case it is not that I have a built up tolerance or that my brain is no longer capable of processing the cannabinoids as quickly or as efficiently.

I may have failed to mention it the second time I mentioned the first fad strains but I did make it clear the first time I stated it, that I was talking about by area, not the nation, not the world. I'm sure somewhere else other than where I lived there were different fad strains at different times.

How do you explain the sudden increase in potency that occurred when the THC level testing procedure was altered in a way that would make every single strain, old and new, show a higher level of potency? Can you explain that away by saying old duded have a higher tolerance level than the puppies?

The timing of the intentional altering of the testing procedure came in very handy for 'The Dutch Master's who were starting to get a name for themselves right at that time. Changing the testing procedure sure made them look damn good.
 

Brick Top

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Originally Posted by Brick Top In place of a common frame of reference they rely on inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.



And quit acting like you eyes are more open than ours dude. We woke up to the government climbing in our window. They straight up robbed the baby boomers whilst they plan and premeditate your retardedment (read:retirement)
Talk about a response that is in no way relevant!

What in the wide, wide world of sports did what you said have to do with; the puppies of today totally lacking a; "common frame of reference they rely on," meaning of course that unlike those like me, the puppies never smoked, never experienced the strains that I have mentioned, but on the other hand I have not only experienced those but also almost every so-called top quality strain ever since?


What part of what you said actually responded to; "inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker." That was all about how THC level testing procedure was altered resulting in much higher THC levels than under the previous testing procedure that resulted in; "inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public." So what was your actual response to that?


They straight up robbed the baby boomers whilst they plan and premeditate your retardedment (read:retirement)

That is why when you are young you invest in growth investments and when you near or reach retirement age you switch them over to income producing investments. Then you do not have to worry what the government does and if Social Security goes bankrupt or anything else other than a total economic collapse, and to be ready for that while investing you purchase gold and other precious metals when the price is good. If everything collapses their values skyrocket so you still end up sitting pretty.

You have to look out for yourself in this world because no one else will do it, least of all the government.

And quit acting like you eyes are more open than ours dude.
Why? In many ways they are much more open. Unlike most others here I am speaking from personal experience and not from; "inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public" that the puppies of today; "swallowed hook, line and sinker."

The puppies have blinders on limiting their field of vision, but my eyes are, and always were, wide open and I had and still have a full field of vision.

Why should I not make full use of that? Just because my knowledge runs contrary to what the puppies of today like and want and need to believe and when I tell the truth it risks shattering their fantasies?

I guess maybe I should smoke crap like they do and lie and call it the very best ever so they can feel better about themselves and their lives.
 

HowzerMD

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I always read when Brick Top needs to prove himself. He's one of the few on RIU that know how to lay out points and understand what he has to say before he says it. Few times will I see an ongoing argument here between folks that rationalize, so thanks Brick for not babbling steaming shite. :-D
 

skunky33

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Kush 100% Indica. 500 an Oz. Some Laboratory Shyt. Here in southern cali some Dispensaries have grow ops worth over 50k. With Equipment that was not around in the 70s. :) I understand every1 has their own opinion on bud but I personally think Diff Buds in Diff Locations and Im just happy im here in cali where its not only taken seriously, legal, abundant. But you also have that State of the Art bud ^_^ ..
Dude, all bubba, OG, Purple, #18, Master kush is indica/sativa mix, they're just indica dominant. The highest price for Kush in dispensaries is 340 lowest is 270. Most of the people who run the grow-ops at dispensaries in Southern Cali are from No Cali. I know for a fact that So cali grow-ops got many clones from No Cali because they'll straight up tell you. The amount of money one spends on equipment is for increased yields not quality. A single bubble bucket under a 400 watter using Advanced, will give the same quality as a 200 site 50,000 watt drip with advanced. I've been to almost every state including no cal and so cal, plus almost every country in western Europe, including Amdam, I've been to BC and can tell you there's good bud all over. You're just into drama of representing So Cali, not on the basis of knowledge, but on the basis of drama and argument.
 

ValleGrown

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Brick top in no way am I telling you that you are wrong.

And with that response being relevant to virtually Everything all baby boomers were led to believe. EXCEPT THE ONES THAT DIDN'T GET SUCKED INTO THE BULLSHIT. like gov war bonds. Help us invest in the war. Help us invest in building an economic world empire that relies on other nations financial collapses so that we can go claim to help support with humanitarianism. And pull off this facade of we are a world police and need to dictate other nations stability by saying you pay taxes and we will give you jobs to support your families. Be just like the west. Lead by example.

Honestly bricktop there are so many people who are not awake. And I'm very thankful you are able to keep it a civil conversation. But I do know that the bud these days is of medicinal quality. Not head soaring highs and endless giggles. I am thankful that you are passionate enough abou your experiences and beliefs that you will take the time to type out your responses. Alls I'm saying bricktop is that people aren't gonna sit here and watch the gov tell people that pot is on the constant rise In potency. People understand the gov is full of lies and deceit. Then you get the way right handed republican that says that their kids are fighting the war on "DRUGS" everyday when they go to school. Well let's classify the word drug at this point . A substance or chemical that alters ones state of mind. Pot is definatley a plant. But the pharmiceuticals that mom or dad take every morning to "get going" in the morning with a pill called PROVIGIL aren't? And they ban marijuana cuz it's a gateway drug? Well I'll tell you what heroin and meth are gateway drugs due to their addictive nature. People will do anything for more. And when people will sell their body or kill people for it. It happens everyday. But is the gov actively taking out meth and coke from certain pharmaceuticals they give to our children. Or "try" to give to our children. And they call it something like ridilain I think. Or adderral. Or phentramine. The list goes on folks.... I'll tell you what marijuana has so many more medicinal properties then they tell us. It can and has been proven to slow the growth of cancer and in some case flat out stop it dead in it's tracks.

Understand bricktop that me being as old as I am has absolutely nothing to do with my knowledge base. I have experienced alot o things in my few years of being awake that I feel I make a valid point when i say... The different qualities of bud hav grown over the years and we can collectively say bud has increased in it's overall potency. Not just THC. You know your shit. Bricktop. I give you that mate.
But accept the fact that it's not about the head soaring highs from back in the sixties and seventies during the grateful dead concerts. It's about people who are sick and dying and can be medicated by a plant that grows naturally and can be changed characteristically by curing the bud different. And mixing certain plants of certain qualties to get a combined effect. Making different products out of it. I.e. hash. Hash oil. The different recipes in different foods that you can concoct.... It's endless the ergonomic nature of this plant.

why single it down to just a head soaring high.
It's called innovation and structural design for a greater good. That's what I'm all about. But the greater good being our population as a whole not just one nation here. One nation there. We are all a race and need to Start taking credit for what we do. And can do.
The human potential is endless. Especially when people (Jorge cevantes)will take a few solid years of study and testing to developed different qualities produced from mixing certain strains to get a collective effect of the two or even three strains .
 

ValleGrown

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That's all I'm saying in this thread. Cuz it just seems back and forth. I think that there is a valid consensus within that text.. The simple fact that people let alone civilization let alone the different method and ways of thinking that have been developed will constantly advance with in nature and our day to day life. If we didn't or hadn't adapted we would still be playing with steam engines. Row boats. Maybe steam boats depending on how excited you were about boats ;) but alls I'm saying is that I think this is ridiculous this difference you seem to think we have on pot being and having increased In THC POTENCY. if you go back you'll notice I never stated thc had gone up. Just the over all quality. I'm not arguing that th gov made a think tank to figure out a way to claim that pot is more potent so they could label it high power or extremely potent. That's all government mumbo jumbo man. I know.
But they convinced people so easily because the people thy told it too were baby boomers who believes every word the gov says. I'd tell you to reference my grandpa if you knew him cuz he believes the gov isn't out to collect. I.e. Reap the benefits of a hard working American. And trick them to paying a car payment and worrying another house or mortgage payment.

......In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
 

Brick Top

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Alls I'm saying bricktop is that people aren't gonna sit here and watch the gov tell people that pot is on the constant rise In potency. People understand the gov is full of lies and deceit.
The people believed it when the testing procedure for levels of THC was altered resulting in inflated levels of THC. That's why most people believe that herb today is way more potent than ever before.

The law has learned how to get the highest THC level percentage for confiscated pot and they do what they can to attempt to make it appear to be wunder-pot. Sealing the pot and protecting it from light and heat and humidity and testing is as soon as possible has resulted in pot buts where it was claimed that the pot was 700% more potent than pot in the 70'. They also know to do like breeders who have their strains tested do and have multiple tests performed on different samples and keep searching until they find the highest percentage possible ... and then claim that is what it all is ... just like most breeders do. Some breeders will not give a THC level and some will say up to 'X%' but many will take the one single high test result and advertise it as if that it what it will always be. The cops caught onto that sort of thing and then they put it in the newspapers and on the news and people actually do believe that pot keeps getting more and more potent.

Anyone who follows strains closely knows that there has not been an appreciable increase in THC levels in over a decade but anyone else will normally believe that super-strains now exist.




Then you get the way right handed republican that says that their kids are fighting the war on "DRUGS" everyday when they go to school. Well let's classify the word drug at this point . A substance or chemical that alters ones state of mind. Pot is definatley a plant.

That played a big part in how the DEA made use of the altering of THC level testing. Marijuana was considered to be a 'soft drug' and they felt it might be on it's way to becoming legal and that meant fewer DEA people needed and cut budgets. So when the testing changes were made resulting in false high levels of THC they figured they could use it to try to make pot appear to have become super-potent and if not an actual 'hard drug' close enough to being a 'hard drug' that if anything the DEA would need to be expanded in size rather than shrunk ... and they used kids as being the alleged targets of evil 'drug dealers' who would then get them 'hooked' and then get them to buy and use harder drugs.

It was, and is, a massive propaganda campaign. In spite of things like certain types of cancer responding well to medicinal cannabis, some being forms of lung cancer, if you write a member of Congress and say it should be made legal, at least for medicinal use, you will receive a form letter saying it causes cancer, lung cancer being one of them. The form letter will say that smoking pot will also cause emphysema but the tar of sativa not only breaks down in the lungs it will also break down tobacco tar, so it helps clear/clean lungs. It is also a natural expectorant. But the government has spent so much taxpayer dollars and said how bad pot it for so many decades they have virtually painted themselves into a corner. If they reversed their position now someone would definitely mention that massive waste of taxpayer dollars, including court costs and housing prisoners etc.


But the pharmiceuticals that mom or dad take every morning to "get going" in the morning with a pill called PROVIGIL aren't?
That's how the Rolling Stones song; "Mother's Little Helper" came to be, from how Valium was prescribed like they were giving away M&M's.


And they ban marijuana cuz it's a gateway drug? Well I'll tell you what heroin and meth are gateway drugs due to their addictive nature. People will do anything for more. And when people will sell their body or kill people for it. It happens everyday. But is the gov actively taking out meth and coke from certain pharmaceuticals they give to our children. Or "try" to give to our children.

Think about how more effective the DEA would be at dealing with dangerous hard drugs if all the agents that work cannabis details were shifted to meth etc, and if the funding that goes to busting people over cannabis would go to the other departments that deal with dangerous hard drugs. Without increasing DEA funding it would be like a large increase in manpower and funding to fight drugs that are a problem. But that would mean the government would have to admit that it had lied for decades and decades and wasted untold amounts of taxpayer money to try to keep a plant from being grown and smoked.


And they call it something like ridilain I think. Or adderral. Or phentramine. The list goes on folks.... I'll tell you what marijuana has so many more medicinal properties then they tell us. It can and has been proven to slow the growth of cancer and in some case flat out stop it dead in it's tracks.
The same thing goes with some, or maybe even all, antidepressants. Paxil caused some people to murder their entire family and then kill themselves. Others suffered various problems, some major and some minor, but ones that would last the rest of their lives .... but there are cannabis strains that will do a better job for a depressed person than pharmaceuticals. Not all strains of course, but some, and some are enough.


Understand bricktop that me being as old as I am has absolutely nothing to do with my knowledge base. I have experienced alot o things in my few years of being awake that I feel I make a valid point when i say... The different qualities of bud hav grown over the years and we can collectively say bud has increased in it's overall potency. Not just THC. You know your shit. Bricktop. I give you that mate.

THC levels never increased anywhere near what claims have been made. As I said that was mainly the result in altering the testing procedure that if the same procedure had been used for testing pot in the 60's and the 70's, and it had been kept fresh and protected and potent and tested quickly like it is today the difference in THC levels would be minor.

One problem that has come with the modern breeding of cannabis, when it comes to medicinal strains, is CBD is possibly the most important cannabinoid for medicinal needs and in the quest to create 'The Holy Grail' CBD has almost been bred out of modern crosses.



But accept the fact that it's not about the head soaring highs from back in the sixties and seventies during the grateful dead concerts. It's about people who are sick and dying and can be medicated by a plant that grows naturally and can be changed characteristically by curing the bud different. And mixing certain plants of certain qualties to get a combined effect. Making different products out of it. I.e. hash. Hash oil. The different recipes in different foods that you can concoct.... It's endless the ergonomic nature of this plant.
There are many medicinal uses for pure sativas and highly predominantly sativa strains so it is not all or mostly about pain relief and helping someone consume enough food/calories in a day to maintain their weight and strength. Many of the strains for stress, anxiety and social anxieties are sativas or highly predominantly sativas. It all depends on what someone's individual needs are. People with problems like that need a strain for daytime use. They cannot smoke something that is like a downer and then go to work or do everything they need to do in life, but then a strain with that sort of affects comes in handy in the evening. AK47 is fairly sativa dominant and it is a very good daytime strain for people with anxiety. There are others that are higher in sativa and even all sativa. It all comes down to need and no indica or indica cross will cover the needs of people like that.


why single it down to just a head soaring high. It's called innovation and structural design for a greater good. That's what I'm all about. But the greater good being our population as a whole not just one nation here. One nation there. We are all a race and need to Start taking credit for what we do. And can do.
The human potential is endless. Especially when people (Jorge cevantes)will take a few solid years of study and testing to developed different qualities produced from mixing certain strains to get a collective effect of the two or even three strains.

Few breeders put a large effort into true medicinal strains. Most want to create 'The Holy Grail' and if by chance it has some medicinal use they of course play that up too, but like I mentioned that sort of breeding has resulted in CBD almost being bred out of modern crosses and for pain and wasting illnesses etc. high levels of CBD is highly important.
 

Brick Top

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if you go back you'll notice I never stated thc had gone up. Just the over all quality.
You are in the minority in this thread because most fully believe that THC levels are much higher than in the past.

When it comes to quality I would say that the average potency level has definitely increased but the top strains have not really improved. The early poor crosses have died out and more higher quality crosses replaced them, but again, the very best have not really improved, at least not to an appreciable degree.



I'm not arguing that th gov made a think tank to figure out a way to claim that pot is more potent so they could label it high power or extremely potent. That's all government mumbo jumbo man. I know.

It was more by accident. Research learned that the way pot was tested was inaccurate so they changed the procedure and the DEA figured out that they could make use of it and the government as a whole figured out they could make use of the higher ratings that were only higher due to testing procedural changes. Basically they lucked into it and then used it the best they could.



But they convinced people so easily because the people thy told it too were baby boomers who believes every word the gov says. I'd tell you to reference my grandpa if you knew him cuz he believes the gov isn't out to collect. I.e. Reap the benefits of a hard working American. And trick them to paying a car payment and worrying another house or mortgage payment.

I'm a baby boomer and I did not trust most of what the government has said for decades and decades. Anyone who blindly believed what the government said after the Gulf of Tonkin fake attack was used by LBJ to ramp up the war in Vietnam, and it leaked out that it was faked, had/has a serious problem. For those who were even older and in the know knew that JFK lied about the Russians building a massive nuclear arsenal so we had to too. That caused the massive nuclear buildup and the Cuban Missile Crisis and still affects us today, like with the HORRIBLE treaty President Obama wants rushed through Congress before anyone has a chance to learn it would be a MAJOR mistake to pass it and ratify it, just like ObamaCare was and his stimulus packages were etc.

......In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
Sounds a bit like "Twelve Monkeys."

In the world I see the only women are beautiful women, all in their 20's, they do not know the word no and they have three boobs ... one in the middle of their back ... for when you are slow dancing.
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
It is in part because most people here are unable to distinguish between actual quality and a something being a fad.

In my area of the U.S. in the late 60's and most of the 70's there were no fad strains. People did have individual preferences but I never knew of groups of people all hyped up on one strain. They were all anywhere from very good to incredibly fantastic. One reason why fad weed did not exist then, at least not in my area, was virtually everything in that era was a sativa, and I mean a real sativa, not some cross that is predominantly sativa. That might sound boring to some but there can be a big difference in pure sativas so there was variety. Some were very fast and would cause paranoia. Some was very invigorating and made you want to do things, anything, just as long as you were doing something .... and whatever it was you were doing, you loved every second of it. Some was very relaxing, very calming. Some made everything so funny that you would laugh and laugh and laugh like a scene out of "Reefer Madness," minus of course the murder and insanity bits in the flick. But all still gave you a clear soaring head high along with whatever various subtleties they each had.

There were not several thousand strains all being hyped by slick advertising copy and relying on totally dubious claims of potency. They were not marketed like today and tokers were not being sold the belief that one or another is something truly special, something above and beyond all the rest. There were not known breeders who in the minds of tokers were seen as being superior so therefore any crap they foisted on the public has instant credibility and no matter how worthless it was there would be someone who would claim it to be one of the best, or maybe even the best, just because of who created it.

The first fad strain or strains I ever knew of were Jamaican. Those hit the area and people went nuts and that is all they wanted, to them it was the best ever. It wasn't actually better. It was just different in different ways than what most people were used to. Hawaiian was next. Again, it was not better, it was just different in a different way. Over time there were others but starting with the Hawaiian we were seeing crosses and the more crosses we saw the more there would be small groups of people who would swear to God that the cross that particular little group loved was the best there had ever been.

For a while if something wasn't Chronic it was not worth smoking. For a while the only strains worth smoking were Skunk strains. If it wasn't skunk it was not worth purchasing or growing. The word skunk itself became synonymous with uber-potent strains. Strains that were not actually skunk strains but were potent were called skunk in some areas of the world. Skunk became a classification, a seal of approval. That's all many people wanted. Before long people saw Skunk strains as being run of the mill, old hat, just good herb and that is all, but certainly nothing so special that people were getting all cuckoo for Coca Puffs over Skunk anymore.

It was not like suddenly Skunk strains were not as potent as they once were. It was not that suddenly there were new strains that just came out that were so much more potent. It was a fad, like Kush, and it died out, just like the Kush fad will too.

Since then fad after fad has come and gone. Most, if not all, fad strains of the past for the most part died out. They had become unpopular and few if any breeders offered them any longer. They went from hero to zero and the Kush craze will do the same thing. It may take a year and it might take two years, but something else will become the next fad and in time breeders will not be able to give away Kush strains.

The other part is the totally inaccurate misconception that today's puppies have about strains they never experienced in their entire lives. Strains that were created through thousands and thousands of years of evolution or by Mother Nature of God or whoever or whatever you want to credit for them, and they were truly incredible.

I have fully explained how the testing procedure for determining THC levels was altered resulting in false high THC level ratings. I have fully explained how the Government claims of THC levels of the 60's and 70's were highly questionable, not only because of the different testing procedure, used trhen being different but also because of how most tests were performed on the largest busts that were almost always the lowest grade commercial strains found in major busts of massive shipments. I fully explained how the confiscated herb would sit in Government warehouses exposed to light and air and heat and humidity, sometimes for as much as a year or more, before testing would be done and everyone here should know that storing herb under those conditions will result in loss of THC. All of those facts are being totally ignored by those who get a baby-bone over Kush strains.

On a little side note, I find it amazing that a group of people who for the most part would not believe anything the Government says, even if it was raining, they were standing out in the rain, and some Government official said, it's raining ... many here would question the honesty of the statement just because of the source. But those same people 100% rely on old Government information for their alleged proof of THC levels of the past.

I also find it very amusing that people who never experienced the pot of the past actually believe that they know more about it and can better rate or rank it than those who smoked it and have smoked ever since and have personally experienced herb of the 60's and the 70's and of the 80's and of the 90's and right up until today.

To me that would be like some kid who is new to baseball hearing about Nolan Ryan and saying Nolan Ryan couldn't throw a fastball to save his life, that he was a junkball pitcher at best, or that Goose Gossage couldn't bring the heat .. even though in the All-Star game in 1978 both Ryan and Gossage registered a 103 MPH pitch in the same game. The kid new to baseball would be like many here today, he would refuse to accept those things he did not see, did not witness, did not personally experience. They would say only modern day pitchers can bring the heat. They would not believe it when told how an US Army Ballistic Ordnance Chronograph Instruments used to test the speed of Army ordnance timed Bob Feller at at 106 and 108 mph. The kid would say, because that was in the past it didn't really happen, things weren't really the way the old timers think they were, they are just clinging to their glory years and trying to make them seem so much better than they ever were, just like the Kush lovers of today claim about the high quality strains of the 60's and 70's. They utterly fail to realize that they are doing precisely what they claim an old timer like me does, that being attempting to fool, or succeeding in fooling themselves into believing they are smoking the very best ever.

They want to believe that and they need to believe that so they desperately cling to any and all dubious to totally false claim they can about the weed of both eras so they can feel good, so they can feel better, so they can say I smoke the best there has ever been. WHOOPIE!

Some people, many people, in fact far too many people wrongly assume that new or newer is always better. About many different things in life they would be totally wrong to believe that.

I have said it before, and I posted a long list to prove it, but most Cup winning strains have their roots in the very strains that many people here love to claim were crap, various sativa strains smoked in the 60's and 70's. It is not like those genetics have nearly or virtually been bred out of the new strains and later work made up for the error or mistake of relying on low quality genetics. It is the opposite. They are the core of the modern loved strains, the main building blocks that make them what they are and what make them loved, but due to misinformation and ignorance all the credit for the strains successes have been given to the small amount of indica, especially Kush strains, that were eventually used in some crosses.

I would bet anything that if some real true honest to goodness 100% pure Dalat seeds could be found and the Kush lovers smoked some they could not handle it. They would not be overcome with paranoia, because it was not a strain known for causing paranoia, but the high was incredible and it hit you hard and it hit you fast. It was like a Star Trek warp factor 10 ride. It would take you places that no strain today can take you and it would take you there almost instantly. I have seen true hardened party commandos overcome by Dalat. I have seen and heard them blurt out HOLY SHIT as they first began to exhale their first toke because they were already strapped to a rocket-sled and starting the ride of their life. I have seen and heard them say they were too high and had to go to bed, after only one, two or in a few cases three tokes ... and again, these were no lightweights. These were hardened veteran party commandos who had smoked and smoked and smoked some of the best strains there have ever been.

I would LOVE to be able to sit around with a pack of today's puppies and pass a pipe of real true pure Dalat with them and then sit back and enjoy their reactions. It would be hilarious.

Now due to Kush lovers being in love with the Beavis & Butthead numbed mind and body, asses glued to a couch, eating gas station burritos and big gulps eyes glued to a TV set they would not like the high, it would not be their preference. But that is the key to it all. They believe preference equates to most potent and the very best when in fact all it actually equates to is personal preference.

The strains I talk about are not at all about personal preference though. I, and others like me, what few there are of us there are that remain, have a totally different perspective in that we have lived and experienced the things others here, most here in fact, never lived, never experienced and fail to have equal knowledge of. They will never understand and they will never accept because they lack a common frame of reference.

In place of a common frame of reference they rely on inaccurate information, myths, urban legends and what is pure propaganda, as in intentionally created and manipulated information to purposely mislead the public, and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.


im not even gonna read all that bullshit you just wrote bro... ima just pick apart the first thing you said ok...

"In my area of the U.S. in the late 60's and most of the 70's there were no fad strains."

ooooh no? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX9XBv0TT-M
 

Brick Top

New Member
im not even gonna read all that bullshit you just wrote bro... ima just pick apart the first thing you said ok...

"In my area of the U.S. in the late 60's and most of the 70's there were no fad strains."

ooooh no? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX9XBv0TT-M

The New Riders of the Purple Sage, I still have the original album and the CD that came out later, wrote the song "Panama Red," and in Humble Pie's song "30 Days in the Hole" Durban Poison is mentioned, "You take the urban noise with some Durban Poison, It's gonna lessen your load." In the Rolling Stones song "Mother's Little Helper" was about Valium being so widely prescribed by Doctors. Is that proof those things were fads or proof that any of them were fads in the area I lived in?

The answer to the above is no. They were just what might be called commentary of the time, about how pot was so much a part of life of the younger generation and they picked strains that fit the lyrics if they needed a particular strain name to use.. Would Panama Red have sounded right if it went:

Thai Stick, Thai Stick
He'll steal your woman, then he'll rob your head
Thai Stick, Thai Stick
On his white horse, Mescalito (notice the other drug reference there with the horse's name?)
He come breezin' through town
I'll bet your woman's up in bed with
ol' Thai Stick


The judge don't know when Thai Stick's in town
He keeps well hidden underground
But everybody's acting lazy
Falling out and hangin' 'round


My woman said, "Hey Pedro
you're actin' crazy like a clown"
Nobody feels like working
Thai Stick is back in town


Thais Stick, Thai Stick
He'll steal your woman, then he'll rob your head
Thai Stick, Thai Stick
On his white horse, Mescalito
He come breezin' through town
I'll bet your woman's up in bed with
ol' Thai Stick


Everybody's looking out for him
'Cause they know Thai Stick satisfies
Little girls love to listen to him
Sing and tell sweet lies


But when things get too confusing, honey
You're better off in bed
And I'll be searching all the joints in town for
Thai Stick


Thai Stick, Thai Stick
He'll steal your woman, then he'll rob your head
Thai Stick, Thai Stick
On his white horse, Mescalito
He come breezin' through town
I'll bet your woman's up in bed with
ol' Thai Stick


The strain name had to fit the song and even the style of music The New Riders of the Purple Sage played.


In the 60's and 70's there were all sorts of pot and drug related song written. Not because each mentioned were fads but instead if was such a large part of the youth culture. Some mentioned strains and or drugs and others were just in general. There was Bob Marley's "Kaya" in 1978m which was written in the late '60s with the help of Lee "Scratch" Perry, but wasn't released as an album until the late '70s.

There was Bob Dylan's "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" in 1966. (The song so many people think is titled Everybody Must Get Stoned.)

There was "Sweat Leaf" by Black Sabbath in 1971, along with "Snowblind" about cocaine.

Rick James sang a song called "Mary Jane" in 1978.

Going WAY back to 1932 Cab Calloway sang a song called "Reefer Man."

Brewer & Shipley released "One Toke Over the Line" in 1971.

Davie Peel released "I Like Marijuana" in 1968.

Going way back in time again, back in 1937 Leroy "Stuff" Smith sang "If You're A Viper," and it was about pot.

Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen released "Seeds & Stems in 1971. (They might best be known for their song "Hot Rod Lincoln")

In 1968 Steppenwolf released "Don't Step On the Grass, Sam." "Sam" was Uncle Sam.

Even Louis Armstrong had a pot song back i 1928 called "Muggles."

Neil Young released "Roll Another Number (For the Road)" in 1975.

Beatles' 'advised people "to smoke pot, smoke pot, everybody smoke pot" at the end of "I Am the Walrus" in 1969.

In 1966 Jimi Hendrix wrote "Purple Haze" and recorded it the following year, 1967, and it was of course about a type of acid.

They were all songs of the different periods in time, songs that were pertinent to the younger generations love for pot and other drugs and some used names of drugs or strains of pot and others were more general but if it was at all fad related it was in relation to the used of pot or other drugs, and not any particular drug or strain.

The song "Panama Red," by The New Riders of the Purple Sage is not in any way proof that it was some national fad or even a regional fad. It was a well known strain whose name fit well into the writing of a song and the style of music the band played, that's all.
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
Panama Red is a great song, but I like Henry better :)

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