Is there such a thing as an honest conservative?

[six8]

in other words, shrink the government. sounds like a good plan. however it only makes sense to people who aren't trying to live off the average person. the biggest parasites are the politicians who hold their seat for decades flip-flopping to maintain popularity.

I would cut SS ( Sorry med no more checks for you), Medicare, Medicaid and lay off 50% of government workers. Dept of Homeland Defense...Gone. Dept of education....gone. Dept of Energy....gone. NPR/PBS funding....gone. All government workers including all Members of Congress will have to take a 20% pay reduction. All foreign Military bases...gone. Military reduced by 75%.

I bet I could save over 2 Trillion PER YEAR with my method, way better than any tax cut could ever hope to achieve.

You won't see ANY of these ideas floated by ANY politician except maybe Ron Paul. Why? because its the ONLY way we will ever reign in our out of control spending. Politicians always paint rosy pictures, they never deal with pain. But pain is the only thing they have left to give us. Conservatives and Liberals alike are responsible for this, not any one particular viewpoint could have gotten us to where we are today, it was a collective political scam perpetrated by THEM against US.

 

[NoDrama]

in other words, shrink the government. sounds like a good plan. however it only makes sense to people who aren't trying to live off the average person. the biggest parasites are the politicians who hold their seat for decades flip-flopping to maintain popularity.

I would rather deal with an angry 535 people rather than the 30 million angry citizens, many of whom are armed to the teeth and have extensive military training in all sorts of fun subjects like explosives, tactics, Hand to Hand combat, Military tech and procedures.

I do know there are far more than 30 million in this country, but the other 270 million are bleating sheep who cannot think critically and frankly don't give a shit.

 

[fdd2blk]

unemployment takes money from productive people who DO stimulate the economy by buying big ticket items such as washers, dryers, cars, houses etc. and gives it to unproductive people who buy toothpaste, toilet paper, food and bare necessities like lottory tickets. 99 percent which goes to cheap crap produced in china by slave labor.

whatever college you took economics from, demand a refund. they sure fucked up your education of how economies work.

you can't get unemployment unless you have recently been employed. and if you were recently employed then you paid into unemployment insurance. that money rightful belongs to the unemployed. they aren't "taking" it from anyone.

 

[BudMcLovin]

you can't get unemployment unless you have recently been employed. and if you were recently employed then you paid into unemployment insurance. that money rightful belongs to the unemployed. they aren't "taking" it from anyone.

Employers pay the unemployment insurance. It doesn’t come out of the employee’s pay. Well if the employer wasn’t required to pay unemployment insurance maybe the employee would receive that money or maybe it would result in lower prices.

 

[fdd2blk]

Employers pay the unemployment insurance. It doesn’t come out of the employee’s pay. Well if the employer wasn’t required to pay unemployment insurance maybe the employee would receive that money or maybe it would result in lower prices.

so that's why there is a deduction on my pay stubs?

 

[NLXSK1]

so that's why there is a deduction on my pay stubs?

What percentage of your pay stub goes to unemployment insurance? 2%? 5%? If it is 5% you would have to work for 20 weeks to get 1 week paid for or about 2 1/2 weeks per year.

We are talking about going from 99 weeks to somewhere in the 150's. I dont think anyone has paid into unemployment for enough time to get 150 weeks that they already paid for not on the taxpayers dime.

 

[NoDrama]

so that's why there is a deduction on my pay stubs?

30 years of pay stubs here, never had Unemployment insurance taken out of MY checks. Are you listed as a S Corporation?

 

[420God]

My wife was paid more during the time she was on unemployment than she made during the time she worked.

She collected for almost 2 years and was only employed for 11 months prior.

I love our government!

 

[fdd2blk]

30 years of pay stubs here, never had Unemployment insurance taken out of MY checks. Are you listed as a S Corporation?

well then, that surely squashes the "i'm tired of supporting others" argument.

 

[fdd2blk]

unemployment takes money from productive people who DO stimulate the economy by buying big ticket items such as washers, dryers, cars, houses etc. and gives it to unproductive people who buy toothpaste, toilet paper, food and bare necessities like lottory tickets. 99 percent which goes to cheap crap produced in china by slave labor.

whatever college you took economics from, demand a refund. they sure fucked up your education of how economies work.

now that i know, you must be speaking of employers, not employees.

 

[fdd2blk]

My wife was paid more during the time she was on unemployment than she made during the time she worked.

She collected for almost 2 years and was only employed for 11 months prior.

I love our government!

my buddy has had his car hit 3 times while parked out in front of his house. every time someone hits it their insurance company totals it and pays him off. he buys it back at pennies on the dollar and fixes it at his buddies shop. 6 months later someone hits it again. he is actually making money on it at this point. it's just one of those things you have to laugh at.

insurance.

 

[NoDrama]

well then, that surely squashes the "i'm tired of supporting others" argument.

Oh I see, so you are listed as a S corp. That explains why you pay unemployment insurance out of your own check as opposed to most who don't. Either way all employers pay A FUTA tax, and the states then pay the fed govt out of their own programs. Your particular state may have some specific rules which require the employee to foot some of the bill, but it is not the norm. The unemployment insurance is like any other insurance business...complicated.

 

[doc111]

What percentage of your pay stub goes to unemployment insurance? 2%? 5%? If it is 5% you would have to work for 20 weeks to get 1 week paid for or about 2 1/2 weeks per year.

We are talking about going from 99 weeks to somewhere in the 150's. I dont think anyone has paid into unemployment for enough time to get 150 weeks that they already paid for not on the taxpayers dime.

99er's aren't eligible for the latest extension.

 

[NoDrama]

99er's aren't eligible for the latest extension.

You know I was actually going to call you out on this, but i did some researching and you are right. All this is going to do is add on to the 26 weeks of Unemployment states give right now. An extra 3 months. Those 2 million 99ers are going to be kicked out onto the street for Christmas no matter what.

Now lets hear the bleeding hearts tell us how terrible this is.

 

[fdd2blk]

Oh I see, so you are listed as a S corp. That explains why you pay unemployment insurance out of your own check as opposed to most who don't. Either way all employers pay A FUTA tax, and the states then pay the fed govt out of their own programs. Your particular state may have some specific rules which require the employee to foot some of the bill, but it is not the norm. The unemployment insurance is like any other insurance business...complicated.

dude, i was mistaken and addressed it. it went right over your head.

 

[NLXSK1]

You know I was actually going to call you out on this, but i did some researching and you are right. All this is going to do is add on to the 26 weeks of Unemployment states give right now. An extra 3 months. Those 2 million 99ers are going to be kicked out onto the street for Christmas no matter what.

Now lets hear the bleeding hearts tell us how terrible this is.

The legislation is like hitting a moving target I guess... What happened to the 13 month unemployment extension that was in the legislation? You know the part that was gonna cost us 56 billion dollars?

 

[Airwave]

From each according to his means to each according to their needs.

Unless you are in the ruling Communist Party, in which case you get a million pound home, a limousine to drive from A to B, lobster or steak every night and a condo in Aspen.
Everybody else lives in a crumbling little flat, uses a bicycle to get from A to B and eats cabbage soup every night.

Brain dead retard.

 

[laughingduck]

Unless you are in the ruling Communist Party, in which case you get a million pound home, a limousine to drive from A to B, lobster or steak every night and a condo in Aspen.
Everybody else lives in a crumbling little flat, uses a bicycle to get from A to B and eats cabbage soup every night.

Brain dead retard.

exactly, communisum is for the people, not the communist!

 

[NoDrama]

dude, i was mistaken and addressed it. it went right over your head.

yeah it must have gone right over my head cuz I don't see where you addressed it at all.

 

[fdd2blk]

i'll try to go slow then let you reread it all.

jeff said "unemployment takes money from productive people".

i took that to mean "deductions from my check".

then i was corrected and told i don't actually pay unemployment insurance. which i checked my old stubs and verified.

at that point i stated, ..... "well then, that surely squashes the "i'm tired of supporting others" argument." which was directed at jeffs original comment. in which i thought he was sayign it was a deduction, which i was corrected on it not being. and fully accept.

and to clarify more i stated, ...... "now that i know, you must be speaking of employers, not employees."



let me know if you need more help understanding.

unemployment takes money from productive people who DO stimulate the economy by buying big ticket items such as washers, dryers, cars, houses etc. and gives it to unproductive people who buy toothpaste, toilet paper, food and bare necessities like lottory tickets. 99 percent which goes to cheap crap produced in china by slave labor.

whatever college you took economics from, demand a refund. they sure fucked up your education of how economies work.

you can't get unemployment unless you have recently been employed. and if you were recently employed then you paid into unemployment insurance. that money rightful belongs to the unemployed. they aren't "taking" it from anyone.

Employers pay the unemployment insurance. It doesn’t come out of the employee’s pay. Well if the employer wasn’t required to pay unemployment insurance maybe the employee would receive that money or maybe it would result in lower prices.

so that's why there is a deduction on my pay stubs?

What percentage of your pay stub goes to unemployment insurance? 2%? 5%? If it is 5% you would have to work for 20 weeks to get 1 week paid for or about 2 1/2 weeks per year.

We are talking about going from 99 weeks to somewhere in the 150's. I dont think anyone has paid into unemployment for enough time to get 150 weeks that they already paid for not on the taxpayers dime.

30 years of pay stubs here, never had Unemployment insurance taken out of MY checks. Are you listed as a S Corporation?

well then, that surely squashes the "i'm tired of supporting others" argument.

now that i know, you must be speaking of employers, not employees.

yeah it must have gone right over my head cuz I don't see where you addressed it at all.