Laws About Outdoor Growing?
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migenetics
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The way I understand " a locked,secured environment". You would need a lock on your greenhouse to be legal. I don't see any other way to be legal outdoors, no matter what kind of fence you have it needs to be secure"locked" and paperwork on site. Good luck
skiweeds
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right, it has to be in a locked area. you could do a greenhouse but would need a lock. also im sure a courtyard would work if you could be sure it's secured and locked. im not sure about a fenced in area. could ask you local law enforcement although personally i'd rather have them now know at all. even though it's legal a lot of people frown upon it. I've actually heard rumors of cops burning places down suspected of growing. anyways a fenced in area might work as long as it's a very secure fence and locked on all entries. the thing is though they may not allow it cause someone could pull up in a truck with a ladder in the back and take off with your crop.
klassifyme
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where im at it has to have "four walls and a ceiling", people get away with chain link ceiling
klassifyme
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my bad i just saw where you're at, im in cali so i dont now what its like in mich.
ron goldberg
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Construct an enclosure using 2x4s and chicken wire. Put a door on it with 2 locks. People build these enclosures in deer infested areas. Keeps all the critters out and you comply with the law.
skiweeds
Active Member
here is what it is in mi according to law. taken directly from the site. this is how the law defines a enclosed locked facility in the state of michigan.
source- http://www.state.mi.us/orr/emi/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=33300101&Dpt=CH&RngHigh= scroll down to (7)
"Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.
this is one of many gray areas of the current law. it's probably really up to local law enforcement and prosecuting attorney. personally i wouldnt risk a fenced in area. we are privileged for the law to allow us to do this in the first place. i wouldnt ruint it.
source- http://www.state.mi.us/orr/emi/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=33300101&Dpt=CH&RngHigh= scroll down to (7)
"Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.
this is one of many gray areas of the current law. it's probably really up to local law enforcement and prosecuting attorney. personally i wouldnt risk a fenced in area. we are privileged for the law to allow us to do this in the first place. i wouldnt ruint it.
Look under Charlevoix Growing Marijuana and Northern Express (its a local paper). A guy was arrested last summer for having a chain link fence and a flimsy covering over the top. 4 walls and a roof with one door with one lock and one key is a sure way to keep yourself safe.
deprave
New Member
just want to mention that the MDCH stated in a forum regarding the intention of the law last year that outdoor is allowed assuming the area is fully enclosed and locked out of public view, in this forum they also clarified that having working locks at the entrances to your home is enough to qualify as an 'enclosed locked facility'
peilo
Well-Known Member
Looks like its surrounded by a chainlink green house. There's a difference btw en"closed" and surrounded by. But it is nice. Not sure legal?
deprave
New Member
that is sad, I dont know what his outdoor structure looked like but according to this article the judge ruled his indoor plants are not properly secured also, this clearly goes against the intention of the law and that is not just my view but the view of MDCH and also of the woman who wrote our law, officials from MDCH have made statements claiming that simply having functioning locks on the door of your home is considered as within the confines of the law and that growing outdoors is permitted if there is a 4 'walls', a ceiling, and a door with functioning locks.
This is correct. A dog fence with a locked door wont cut it. I'm pretty sure they want it out of sight too. I fully enclosed locked greenhouse might work, but it might have to have solid walls with a glass top. The outdoor limits of the law is one of the few gray areas, everything is pretty damn clearly defined within the definitions section.
Circle6CC
Member
"that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient."
I'm sorry, but most of the bedroom setups wouldn't come close to that standard(grow tent with a lock on the zipper - come on, a dog could get in there in 10 minutes of serious work..)
Household locks and doors only keep nosy people out - steel house doors are just sheet metal over wood, and the door strike is actually the weak point. You are basically running a pharmaceutics lab - think bricks, mortar, commercial door. Chain link fence box - come on, some teenagers with a bolt cutter will be snatching your crop the first time you go to town. I live in the sticks too - those work fine for deer and other animals that don't have opposable thumbs.
And what about the day LEO show up - do you want to let them walk right in. Do you have a camera set up that is going to record them as they step on your rights? Every mom & pop $1 store has security cameras, but I bet less than 1% of growers do.
What really worries me about the poor security many people employ - some kids will steal someone's crop who was really lax, the kids will get into some kind of major legal problem whilst dealing the stolen herb, and the conservative media will have a field day talking about what lazy, lax stoners are doing in Michigan, "endangering the children".
I'm sorry, but most of the bedroom setups wouldn't come close to that standard(grow tent with a lock on the zipper - come on, a dog could get in there in 10 minutes of serious work..)
Household locks and doors only keep nosy people out - steel house doors are just sheet metal over wood, and the door strike is actually the weak point. You are basically running a pharmaceutics lab - think bricks, mortar, commercial door. Chain link fence box - come on, some teenagers with a bolt cutter will be snatching your crop the first time you go to town. I live in the sticks too - those work fine for deer and other animals that don't have opposable thumbs.
And what about the day LEO show up - do you want to let them walk right in. Do you have a camera set up that is going to record them as they step on your rights? Every mom & pop $1 store has security cameras, but I bet less than 1% of growers do.
What really worries me about the poor security many people employ - some kids will steal someone's crop who was really lax, the kids will get into some kind of major legal problem whilst dealing the stolen herb, and the conservative media will have a field day talking about what lazy, lax stoners are doing in Michigan, "endangering the children".
Circle6CC
Member
Not trying to be a drag....I'm into the AARP age, I remember toting schwag seedlings into the boonies by moonlight. just to grow some more schwag. We've been given a great opportunity to do this right - the grey area is mainly a problem for people who want to have a setup on the cheap. If it is a personal grow, start with a steel security cabinet or an old gun safe. Bolt it to the floor, cut your holes for cords and vents - LEO will be impressed if they ever show up and even if the neighbor's teenager kicks in your door while you are gone, they probably won't be able to carry your crop away or get to it.
Bigger grows - drystack brick, fill with cement and rebar, buy the best door you can stand buying. One cat I know has a 20 yard dumpster upside down in his barn, bolted to the floor. Take that! HAHAHA!
Bigger grows - drystack brick, fill with cement and rebar, buy the best door you can stand buying. One cat I know has a 20 yard dumpster upside down in his barn, bolted to the floor. Take that! HAHAHA!