1st DWC problem N def? but why

[oldschooltofu]

thanks. i have some black tubing, will switch it out.
will also cover the pots with some panda plastic i have laying around.
will also try the vinigar....since these stones worked before, sounds like they are clogged with something. so maybe that will clean them out. the hydro store said to bring them back.

thanks

 

[Weedler]

why? if they like 900 then shit less money on nutes lol

just cause you use more nutes doesnt mean more yield ;D

I hear yah on that my girls actually are loving 350-400 PPM right now during veg, I used to run them up at 650 PPM (different strain though)

 

[Sr. Greensea]

mine are 13days into flower and are at 900ppm and are burning alittle. i think its from the nutes but could be the light maybe im not sure

 

[jsgamber]

I hear yah on that my girls actually are loving 350-400 PPM right now during veg, I used to run them up at 650 PPM (different strain though)

I think different brands of nutes result in different PPMs. TechnaFlora BC Grow/Boost veg nutes dosage start at 600PPM and go up to 1200PPM full dose! After adding in Cal/Mag I'm sitting at 1500PPM (1760 if you add back my 260 tap water). No nute burn yet.

 

[oldschooltofu]

ugh....i am so fustrated with hydro. and dwc is not much eaiser lugging water around...ugh!!!

i did another water change today. because...get this...slimy roots. i didnt have enough pureblend pro grow for all the buckets so i used some GH organic grow i had + pbp bloom and the roots slimed up. so got h2o2 in the water now.

i am seriously thinking of switching to hempy buckets. i am not seeing any benifits to hydro, would rather go back to soil and deal with bugs, i am that fustrated.

sorry for ranting.

i did change the hoses to black and soaked the stones in vinegar, now only one is doing badly. covered the hydroton with plastic.

 

[jsgamber]

ugh....i am so fustrated with hydro. and dwc is not much eaiser lugging water around...ugh!!!

i did another water change today. because...get this...slimy roots. i didnt have enough pureblend pro grow for all the buckets so i used some GH organic grow i had + pbp bloom and the roots slimed up. so got h2o2 in the water now.

i am seriously thinking of switching to hempy buckets. i am not seeing any benifits to hydro, would rather go back to soil and deal with bugs, i am that fustrated.

sorry for ranting.

i did change the hoses to black and soaked the stones in vinegar, now only one is doing badly. covered the hydroton with plastic.

Man I know how you feel. Read through my thread and I'm sure I've convinced hundreds of people to run away from DWC.

Getting "slimed" sucks but it's algae and the best prevention is light proofing. Solve that and algae goes away. I only get algae now when I find a place where light leaks in. Remember soil is nice and dark so we just need to do the same in water.

I'm glad the vinegar helped and only one stone is bad.

By the way, I recently had to switch from this fill tube setup. Talk about fiber optics blasting light right onto my air stones full of wonderful oxygen; it was a nasty bloom.

Now I use spigots and even then I cover them with a towel to keep them dark.

And the rigid foam tops are covered in Panda film and a netpot lid and a really tight hole for the netpot and the air tube.

I'm currently having issues with root aphids so that's what's causing the yellow leaves.

 

[oldschooltofu]

bugs suck. i took clones and removed everything to get rid of root aphids. thats what drove me to hydro....to be able to keep an eye on the roots. so i dont waste 2 months to harvest larf....which is ironic because i would have been almost done and probably not spent 200$ on equipment if i did soil.

so after 12 hours in h2o2 and a little sm90....i put in 400ppm pure blend pro bloom....its now up to 600ppm after 12 hours of dark and pH is 7.5

should i just give up and put them in some coco. there is no way i am going to be adjusting the pH 2x a day every day....thought dwc was going to be set pH and ppm and watch it grow for a week, then water changes once a week.

 

[jsgamber]

Well before you give up completely, grab your favorite smoke and a couple of hours and read this:

420 Magazine - Deep Water Culture Tutorial, SH Kit & DIY

This blog saved my grow and all future grows I will attempt in DWC and it's even got me thinking about RDWC now!! Maybe you'll read this and find that DWC just isn't your cup of tea and that's okay too.

Al B. Fuct had a great quote that said "If you find a grow thread that works perfectly from beginning to end, then duplicate it step for step and you will be successful." This is my thread. Hope it helps you.

 

[oldschooltofu]

broke down and bought some coco.
going to do coco and perlite and hand water.

i think my garage is too cold, and the pumps too loud to do inside the house. and i want the less maintenence of soil. but i dont want to get peat becaue of bugs, so i ended up buying coco. happy medium i hope. i am sterilizing the containers as we speak coco is already expanded. its either this or hempy buckets, but once you put holes low in buckets they cant be used for anything else.

funny thing is the pH has seemed to stabilize, but the plants are still yellowing in new growth (2 of them) and one has really messed up new growth, its black and twisting and doesnt look good....the third one is drooping down leaves. my veg is still yellowing and pH flucuating, my moms are not growing.

i think hydro is not for me.

 

[oldschooltofu]

put the girls in coco/perlite and did a final pruning.

figured the hydro learning curve set me back 5-6 weeks.

 

[RawBudzski]

depressing to see this. *knock on wood* i got through my 1st successful harvest, In a 18gal. DWC. NO PH METER, NEVER CHECKED PH. I simply added a little PH down to my DISTILLED STORE bought water. and NUTES. so IMO your SIMPLY over feeding to much TLC are you using tap water... BUT NOW THAT I HAVE READ MORE ON YOUR POST... FK 24/0 whatever some may say. Screw that.. 18/6 will Yield MORE if not the same as 24/0.. What good are branches and nodes without the proper root system to feed it. HONESTLY IMO your first issue to fix is your Light schedule.

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

lights are always first to upgrade and improve.

 

[RawBudzski]

he is using 600w i believe? that is enough. I believe 24/0 light is hurting your plants more than the cold water. I am in the mountains and my RES gets COLD as hell.. No effect on plants. PPL OVERTHINK their issues. its normally the small problems.. like the fact you believe 24/0 light can be good for a plant.

lights are always first to upgrade and improve.

 

[oldschooltofu]

they are on 12/12 now, and have been for 1.5wks

 

[oldschooltofu]

now i am seeing nut deficiency and over fert at the same time....bugs? root aphids again?

i am seriously thinking of giving up growing.

 

[jsgamber]

now i am seeing nut deficiency and over fert at the same time....bugs? root aphids again?

i am seriously thinking of giving up growing.

Dude. I know, I know, I know how you feel!! Most people who I've pointed toward my thread I've been telling them to start reading from November forward because March through August was a growing disaster for me. But for you I ask you read them from the beginning. I literally pulled the plug to my cab in August and left my plants to die in the dark. Five weeks later I opened the cab to take out the carcasses and blow the mineral salts out of the bottoms of the dried out water tanks.

In the end of October, I was fired, after 22 years...and I was set free. After two weeks of reconnecting with friends and family and enjoying my new found freedom, I walked out to the garage, opened up the cab, fired up the light and a smile crossed my face!! I can do this!!

I rethought the whole plan and put it in motion. Then I learned patience (one of the hardest lessons for a grower to overcome) and how to take it slow and not panic.

Growing pot is a state of mind. It's a science and art all wrapped together. My friend, you may not be in the right state of mind right now. You can never just quit growing, it's just a matter of how long of a hiatus you will take before you return and you will return.

Here's what slowing down, tuning in, not panicking and trusting yourself that you can do anything you want to do when you put your heart in it and focus.

Let me show you a recent story through the eyes of my plant. It hasn't been perfect.

12/15/2010 - A day or so after coming home

12/21/2010 - Trouble in river city. Patience. Time to put on my thinking cap as well as ask for help from my pals here on RIU.

1/22/2010 - 5 weeks of vegging from the day she came home, 2 weeks approaching death and 3 weeks to get back to this

1/29/2010 - 6 weeks and she is one angry bitch trying to break free from the screen. She's forcing me, happily, into 12/12 starting tomorrow. She's the Queen of the Cab!

So my recommendation, slow down, turn these plants into your lab. Do your best, go slow, and just observe them, even if it means watching them die. You will learn something, and that is good.

Trust yourself...I do.

 

[Sr. Greensea]

keep it simple and use a basic hydro nute. imo for now no boosters or sugars. spray with superthrive. each crop will get better if u pay attention. give it time. dont be to stoned when you are making changes to the rez either. if hydro was easy everyone would do it. you were right switching to hydro from soil and when things start jivin youll never look back

 

[oldschooltofu]

so i think one of my problems is i have one strain liking N (TGA AO) and the other not (White magic mr magoo)
anyone know if TGA agent orange likes lots of N?

been checking for bugs, no sign under the potatos.

they are starting to flower nicely now in coco/perlite...cleaned up the branches a little more. got some nice tips forming.

my veg isnt looking great, but my chernobyl clones rooted . going to try giving the AO more N and the Magic less.

 

[Chirpin4th]

Man I know how you feel. Read through my thread and I'm sure I've convinced hundreds of people to run away from DWC.

Getting "slimed" sucks but it's algae and the best prevention is light proofing. Solve that and algae goes away. I only get algae now when I find a place where light leaks in. Remember soil is nice and dark so we just need to do the same in water.

I'm glad the vinegar helped and only one stone is bad.



By the way, I recently had to switch from this fill tube setup. Talk about fiber optics blasting light right onto my air stones full of wonderful oxygen; it was a nasty bloom.

Now I use spigots and even then I cover them with a towel to keep them dark.

And the rigid foam tops are covered in Panda film and a netpot lid and a really tight hole for the netpot and the air tube.

I'm currently having issues with root aphids so that's what's causing the yellow leaves.

Im sorry, but this set up looks great. Been planning on this for a while.

 

[oldschooltofu]

update: flowering is looking much better, 3.5 weeks in and buds are forming nicely. got some bottom leaves yellowing.

the veg on the the other hand looking like time stopped. think its too cold ..temps just dropped again, so i upped the heater thermostat, should help dry the coco out a little. even put it on 18/6 might get my hands on a 400 mh which will keep things warmer in there.