SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

[xivex]

From someone with a programming background who runs lumateks, the thing that people forget is that these lumatek digi ballasts are updated all the time. They put out new hardware revs all the time or revs with os updates. These updates are all releases designed by the manufacturer to address these specific manufacturer incompatibilities. Also, remember that the lumateks are mini computers. They can simply recode their ignition voltage and make any needed hardware changes and bam the lumatek hortilux issue is no longer an issue.

In this day and age if they try a litttle, these changesshould not be that hard to make. In fact, they might have made them already. If your buying digi ballasts, make sure you get thenewest ones straight from the manufacturer and not some old release version thats sat on the grow shop shelf for the last 12 months.

My $0.02...

Ps i havent had any problems withhortilux lamps in my lumateks yet. But im not running 600s either which as LF's post shows, are completely non standard in terms of electrical design and engineering.

I researched this issue a lot and have found this info alread, but if you pay close attention it DOES seem to be mostly limited to older revs and specifically 600w lamps.

 

[frogster]

Above the screen..lol ,, they are all over the place... uneven as all fuck... when I put the screen in some plants were touching , while others were still 6-8" away... but on a decent note,,most of the screen is filled in,even if they are small.. I have some sections that are 12" tall..... I think I figured out the burn on the leaves.... I used a "permethrin" synthetic fogger instead of a "pyrethrum" natural one... pretty sure this burned the fuck out of them at the high concentration.. (12%) and was enough to treat 7000sqft...So, probably 10times overkill... Switching to a cinn. oil/clove oil mix, and using it weekly as preventative... The flowering is filling in nicely between the nodes... looks awesome.. starting to get smelly in there.. The blueberry smells like I could eat it,,, And I prob. will!

 

[frogster]

Shit nugbuckets... I see all the mistakes I made from the beginning and see how its effecting my grow now... piss poor roots... nutrient fuckups..etc.... ...I can sure see my next grow being better,, Some noobs get exteremly lucky and produce really well the first grow.. others have to do it the hard way and possibly kill the entire grow.... My plants are suffering from things that happened months ago...(mostly due to poor roots). so, at this point if I dont fry them and get them through to harvest I will be happy and should produce a few lbs... I still think watt per watt I will do ok against Legals grow.... I have 2000watts in the room total 1000w over the scrog, Legal has 1800watts(co2,5gal buckets for roots etc, etc) over his scrog.... so ... scrog alone I was doomed from the beginning.... but, gram per watt, I still feel confidant that I will exceed his weight... (thats my best try to smack talk right now...difficult to do right now )

 

[cruzer101]

Well shit man, you get 2 grams per watt then.

My plants are taking nutes in like crack whores! Went to bed way late last night with Rez completely full and 1680 ppm. Came home from work after two floods and they drank about 4-5 gallons and the ppm was 1510 without topping off! Drooped to around 1420 when topped off.

Dam them bitches are going to town alright, just wondered why you don't you add nutes back up to 1600 if they are doing so well?

 

[legallyflying]

Dam them bitches are going to town alright, just wondered why you don't you add nutes back up to 1600 if they are doing so well?

That is an excellent question and here is my rational. 1680 is pretty damn salty. My last run I got up to 1800 and had problems. The other issue is that nutrient burn doesn't just show up overnight and once you get there, you kind of fucked yourself. So I punched the gas and they SEEMED to do alright at top speed. Does that mean I should just keep the pedal to the metal and assume they can endure it? I thought that the wise answer was no. What if one day at that high of salinity was fine but three days would cause problems? I figure the medium is only getting saltier with time.

Higher concentrations mean that more nutes are AVAILABLE to them. It doesn't mean that they will uptake faster. In fact, it is easier for plants to absorb more when the gradient between roots/nute salinity is greater.

I also dont know WHAT part of my solution was absorbed. Maybe it was the sugar parts? (sure as fuck bubbled up like a bathtub). Maybe the organic bio-bizz bloom isn't playing nice with the botanicare nutes and is dropping out of solution? There is no way of actually knowing and if I go adding new stuff in.... Well you see where I'm going. And if you don't, well, this probably isn't the first time that someone accused you of being stupid. I will add some back when it gets in the 1200 and my ph stops swinging so much. Goes from 5.6 to 6.1 in one day. My assumption is that this may be that perhaps one mineral in particular is really being absorbed but this is just a hunch and not really based on solid knowledge.

So that is the long answer.

The short answer... To be safe.


Frogster, your putting an awful lot of faith in that 1800 denominator. (Mr. No roots)

 

[legallyflying]

Oh yeah. Two of my plants have TMV.

I'm going to send my clone source a gift box for that one. Just saving up a huge shit to put in there

 

[nugbuckets]

yo legal, one more question......in in your opinion, at what stage do plants need and benefit the most from CO2? Thanks, Nugs...

 

[legallyflying]

In flower. Moderate in the first couple weeks. Heavy in 3-6, tapering off to just above ambient in the last two

 

[cruzer101]

Gotcha legal, I had a feeling you were doing it to be safe. Thanks for your theory though. Makes perfect sense. I agree that's pretty dam salty, its like the girls put away the wine and got out the hard stuff.
Hell, I run my hydro at about half that.

Suppose you did see some burnt edges at 1500 ppm and your pH was somewhat stable, my initial thought is to flush but do you use something like Clearex? If so how long do you run it and at what strength would you start your nutes back at?

I used it at the end of a grow to flush with but I haven't used it during a grow.

 

[legallyflying]

I would probably just run a really watered down solution for a couple days and watch the numbers to see if they climbed. I remember reading somewhere that dramatically lowering the salts can really stress the plants. I could see that happening but I'm not sure of the mechanism; it's on the "to research list" before I do the final flush of this harvest. I did a mid flower flush with tap last cycle and the plants didn't catch on fire or anything but who knows.

I do know that in nature; aka. Growing in that brown stuff, it's impossible to change the ion concentration so drastically due to the buffering of the...what is that shit called? Dirt, yeah of the dirt

 

[JimBro]

I was reading a thread on here the other day about not flushing at the end of the harvest at all. People claimed that the smoke was still clean and they gained extra size in the last week or two. What's your take on that, Legal and everybody?

 

[frogster]

Read everywhere about not flushing.... Also read cure correctly is more important than flushing.... Im not flushing as I want to reveg... Figure I may grow some roots on my plants...lol and I will add it into my final weight for the scroggoff totals...

 

[nugbuckets]

In flower. Moderate in the first couple weeks. Heavy in 3-6, tapering off to just above ambient in the last two

thanks bro...appreciated..

 

[legallyflying]

Ok listen up Floggy. Been fairly leniant out of pitty and all but, most weight from 12 plants gets the tittle. Not sure what that tittle is...but we can figure that out latter

But seriously, why would you reveg plants that have been getting beat up? Get some clones or pop some seeds, ahora.

 

[frogster]

This buds for you... Damn the blueberry are smelling good... And of course the diesels are stinking ....Rules? Rules? 12plants swelve plants... I dont give a crap.... I have 2000watts and Im using them all...lol.. you know that 12 plants under 1800watts with 5gallon pots and and co2 would wipe me out if I was to only use my 15 plants under 1000watts with 2gallon pots and no co2..... what are you scared? The only way I will even be close to your yield is to out gram you per watt/cost. And these babies are looking better! Lets hear from the judges!

 

[frogster]

So, I concede.. your 12 plants will far out weigh 12 plants in my scrog thats obvious by now...... so, I created a new category that you can beat me in.. gram per watt.. Trying to keep you challenged!!! ... I want to reveg for certain reasons... I plan on taking two of the better plants on each side and grow trees with them,,, I want to veg out the scrog side with two plants.. making each plant take up a 4x4 area, I plan on putting them in larger containers and letting them get tree trunks... Im lst'ing&Scropping the crap out of the other on the other side.(dont know how many yet).. but plans change...

 

[nugbuckets]

nice recovery frog.......nugs

 

[legallyflying]

Man, the endless skies take Fa-ever to root! Three weeks before they are ready to transfer. Looks like I'm going to end up vegging in my flower room next run . Bummer for sure

 

[xivex]

OK Guys, here's my thoughts...

1) No surprise Frog concedes..

2) Frog's plants do indeed look better, and while not on par with LF's, are still fucking nice!

3) Loser of the overall competition should have to blow the winner


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[legallyflying]

Not so sure about #3. How about loser has to masturbate with non-dominant hand for a month?