God Proves his Non-Existence thru a Loop Hole

[RyanTheRhino]

Definition of god:
In monotheistic religions, the creator and ruler of the universe, regarded as eternal, infinite, all-powerful, and all-knowing; Supreme Being.

Well, the one people consider god has the ability to do whatever he pleases. He could make a planet in seven day, create people and whatever else God desires. He can do this because he is ALL-POWERFUL.

Therefore Our concept of God must Be able to create a stone so large that even god himself could not move it.

But, if God is unable to move this stone then that means he is not all-powerful, thus our concept of God cannot and does not exist.

likewise, if God cannot create this unmovable stone then that also means he is not all-powerful and , thus our concept of God cannot and does not exist.

you may think this argument is stupid but the point is if God is unable to do this, what else cant he do.

 

[MidwestMike]

Why would God be limited by what man calls a stone? This is assuming that God is under the same physical and earthly standards to which we hold ourselves.. We cannot move a stone so large because of gravity, but why would he be constricted to gravity? That's like saying an author of a book must be constricted to the exact time, and place to which he is writing.

 

[Snow Crash]

I think this is why God works in commandments. There are rules, and one rule that precedes the other rule determines the order of importance.

As comparison, in the book/film "I Robot" there are a series of rules that must be obeyed.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

In much the same way:

1. God may do anything, without limit.
2. God can create an impossible object (non-corporeal, immovable, infinitely bright, etc), except when God's interaction with the impossible object is in conflict with the First Law.

Even then...

All that would make God is slightly less than All-Powerful, and only when you apply logical fallacy.

It would be the same to say that in your dreams, or your own imagination, that you can "imagine an immovable object" and then "imagine yourself moving it." Therefore you don't have an imagination.

I once dreamed that I lifted something that was unliftable. Which I couldn't dream, which means I didn't dream, and that I cannot ever have dreams.

See what I mean? These kind of thought games are fun but what they prove is that the human experience is limited by tokens.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

you are thinking about it wrong, its not the stone that matters. the stone is just there to help people see the analogy. heres another way to say it. if god is able to do anything then he should be able to create a creator stronger than himself. there for if God wanted to get rid of this creature he cannot because he created another all-powerful being that is able to do anything include resist gods will. and since this give god limits that means god must have a defined range of power. and how much greater is it compared to a mortal. since it is finite we should be able rate it. and see how goodly god really is.

 

[Gastanker]

Without me I don't exist. I am my own god.

In fact without me nothing exists. Well at least to me it doesn't.

 

[shmow52]

"god" (using the term loosely) is something for people to believe in, it gives them a sense of purpose. something to keep them going... it doesnt have to be a "being" just something to believe and have faith in.

 

[Snow Crash]

you are thinking about it wrong, its not the stone that matters. the stone is just there to help people see the analogy. heres another way to say it. if god is able to do anything then he should be able to create a creator stronger than himself. there for if God wanted to get rid of this creature he cannot because he created another all-powerful being that is able to do anything include resist gods will. and since this give god limits that means god must have a defined range of power. and how much greater is it compared to a mortal. since it is finite we should be able rate it. and see how goodly god really is.

If I imagined another person... let's call him Dave

Could Dave imagine things I could not imagine myself?

We can use this same logic to prove that since I can imagine, literally, anything then I should be able to imagine an imagination that can imagine more than I can imagine.

Can you imagine that?

 

[Gastanker]

you are thinking about it wrong, its not the stone that matters. the stone is just there to help people see the analogy. heres another way to say it. if god is able to do anything then he should be able to create a creator stronger than himself. there for if God wanted to get rid of this creature he cannot because he created another all-powerful being that is able to do anything include resist gods will. and since this give god limits that means god must have a defined range of power. and how much greater is it compared to a mortal. since it is finite we should be able rate it. and see how goodly god really is.

God isn't stupid - he would create a creator stronger than himself. But at the same time build a button stronger than the creator he created that reset everything.

God always builds in fail safes. Look at the recent earthquakes, fires, typhoons, floods...

 

[Dj1209]

Why are you having this conversationgod is not real.....kinda gods just a common belief that people look to for answers about what happens to US after death.

 

[plantvision]

you are thinking about it wrong, its not the stone that matters. the stone is just there to help people see the analogy. heres another way to say it. if god is able to do anything then he should be able to create a creator stronger than himself. there for if God wanted to get rid of this creature he cannot because he created another all-powerful being that is able to do anything include resist gods will. and since this give god limits that means god must have a defined range of power. and how much greater is it compared to a mortal. since it is finite we should be able rate it. and see how goodly god really is.

In my opinion, there are many things that are beyond our comprehension. This idea as you state it is one, the same as what is on the other side of nothing. Or the beginning of time. Our minds cannot comprehend it.
I find great peace in that there is something, namely what I call God, that can comprehend this for me.

 

[Encomium]

Your "loophole" is first year philosophy. This proof is also first year philosophy:

Premise 1: God is the greatest possible good.

Premise 2: Existence is better than non-existence.

Therefore, God Must exist.

 

[Snow Crash]

Your "loophole" is first year philosophy. This proof is also first year philosophy:

Premise 1: God is the greatest possible good.

Premise 2: Existence is better than non-existence.

Therefore, God Must exist.

I take your year one philo and raise you a:

[sarcasm]Who's to say?[/sarcasm]

 

[Gastanker]

Why are you having this conversationgod is not real.....kinda gods just a common belief that people look to for answers about what happens to US after death.

Shhhh, don't spoil it for the believers. Next you'll say there is no Santa Claus.

 

[plantvision]

Why are you having this conversationgod is not real.....kinda gods just a common belief that people look to for answers about what happens to US after death.

What do you think happens to us after we die. What of that spark of life. That spark that told your fingers to grow, your cells to split. Can you explain it?

 

[shmow52]

What do you think happens to us after we die. What of that spark of life. That spark that told your fingers to grow, your cells to split. Can you explain it?

i agree on your first statement. however your 2nd one can be explained with basic biology.

 

[Encomium]

I take your year one philo and raise you a:

[sarcasm]Who's to say?[/sarcasm]

Ah I actually argued that existence cannot be compared to non-existence so the argument is invalid.

 

[Gastanker]

This h
as got to prove something... I just can't figure what... so distracting...

 

[Dj1209]

What do you think happens to us after we die. What of that spark of life. That spark that told your fingers to grow, your cells to split. Can you explain it?

Your question is not feasible, I often have thought about what happens after death and truth is I don't know and neither does anyone else that's alive. It's impossible for our minds to comprehend, its like trying to think about what's beyond our reach in space in other galaxies we all have thoughts on it but no one knows. Your second statement is just obvious and science has the answer for that.

 

[shmow52]

Your question is not feasible, I often have thought about what happens after death and truth is I don't know and neither does anyone else that's alive. It's impossible for our minds to comprehend, its like trying to think about what's beyond our reach in space in other galaxies we all have thoughts on it but no one knows. Your second statement is just obvious and science has the answer for that.

i know it's such a wierd thing to think about. what if there wasnt space, it would be nothing, but if there is nothing then what is nothing? human terms can never explain this.
Every time i think about it my mind gets blown again and again. i feel like im so close, but infinitely far away.
EDIT: ya know? lol

 

[plantvision]

Your question is not feasible, I often have thought about what happens after death and truth is I don't know and neither does anyone else that's alive. It's impossible for our minds to comprehend, its like trying to think about what's beyond our reach in space in other galaxies we all have thoughts on it but no one knows. Your second statement is just obvious and science has the answer for that.

Does science have the answer??? From what I know there is not one scientist that has explained why cells split the way they do in the womb.
I am not being confrontive, just stated what I know.