Vote for Ron Paul-----Great idea
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UncleBuck
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i thought limericks were more clever than rapping.
i might make one about you. watch out.
chillwills
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There once was a bunch of sheep
Even though they are RollItUp peeps
They stay dick ridin on Mr. Barack
It seems that they really want his cock
they cant see all the lies and deception
They want 4 more years after this next election.
They are in love with Obama the superstar
They cant even see that the country has fallen so far.
Even though they are RollItUp peeps
They stay dick ridin on Mr. Barack
It seems that they really want his cock
they cant see all the lies and deception
They want 4 more years after this next election.
They are in love with Obama the superstar
They cant even see that the country has fallen so far.
UncleBuck
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although my limericks were not perfect (syllabically), they did keep with limerick structure.
although yours did rhyme, it did not meet limerick structure.
there was once a dude named chillwills,
ron paul gave him many thrills.
he said "my health is OK",
but at the end of the day,
he took his alzheimer's pills.
chillwills
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LOL I must have slept through the limerick writing lesson that day. Your limerick skills are far superior. I'll give you that. lol
And I know it was a little raunchy, but Barack and cock rhyme so perfectly. I couldn't resist.
Mr Neutron
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"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it"
I'm not sure "the majority" have any idea what the Constitution" is, let alone if it's a "living" document.
Any Supreme Court ruling in the last 100 years? I find that VERY difficult to believe. But I'm sure you will provide us all with the proof. Fringe opinions? There you go, spouting rhetoric. It is not just my opinion, you ARE ignoring the Constitution and it is NOT complete nonsense. Evidence forthcoming.
Yes, I am.
LOL. "Exact opposite" Do you know how completely ridiculous you sound? You are accusing me of YOUR folly. Using that brand of reasoning, the first amendment says we have no right to free speech, the second, no right to keep and bear arms, etc. How ironic, indeed.
About your quotes. I can honestly understand how a clouded and misguided mind might misinterpret the Madison quote. Let's look at the whole thing:
"I entirely concur in the propriety of resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution. And if that is not the guide in expounding it, there may be no security for a consistent and stable, more than for a faithful exercise of its powers. If the meaning of the text be sought in the changeable meaning of the words composing it, it is evident that the shape and attributes of the Government must partake of the changes to which the words and phrases of all living languages are constantly subject. What a metamorphosis would be produced in the code of law if all its ancient phraseology were to be taken in its modern sense. And that the language of our Constitution is already undergoing interpretations unknown to its founder, will I believe appear to all unbiassed Enquirers into the history of its origin and adoption."
James Madison letter to Henry Lee
When read without the prejudice or bias of corrupted thinking, it actually supports my assertion. You are not understanding what Madison is saying here. Put this in context with everything that the framers wrote about and it is clear what their intent was. (see below)
No argument there but not relative. The founding fathers goal was to keep individual liberty intact, to keep over intrusive government out of our lives, to make sure the government feared the people more than the people fear their government.
The framers of the Constitution put in place a process for future generations to change the Constitution. It is called the amendment process. If you don't like something about our laws, THAT is the way you change it, not through interpretation. Amendments must not infringe on our unalienable rights, however.
Oh and I almost forgot about your Jefferson quote. When read with a clear and objective mind, it supports what I am saying, also. But I doubt very much if you understand what a clear and objective mind is.
Not quite.
"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."
James Madison: Father of the Constitution
"It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States, amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction what colour can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms, immediately follows; and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon. If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded as to give meaning to every part which will bear it; shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent and the clear and precise expressions, be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?...the idea of an enumeration of particulars, which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity "
James Madison The Federalist Papers
"Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank piece of paper by construction."
Thomas Jefferson
"The true key for the construction of everything doubtful in a law is in the intention of the law makers. This is the most safely gathered of words, but may be sought also in extraneous circumstances provided they do not contradict the express words of the law."
Thomas Jefferson
"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Thomas Jefferson
"Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure."
Thomas Jefferson
"The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered by me [as President] according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption - a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated, not those who opposed it, and who opposed it merely lest the construction should be applied which they denounced as possible."
Thomas Jefferson as POTUS
"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please...Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect."
Thomas Jefferson
"It is an established rule of construction, where a phrase will bear either of two meanings to give it that which will allow some meaning to the other parts of the instrument, and not that which will render all the others useless. Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given to them. It was intended to lace them up straitly with in the enumerated powers, and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect."
Thomas Jefferson
"The first and governing maxim in the interpretation of a statute is to discover the meaning of those who made it."
James Wilson
I wouldn't expect you to know this so I will tell you, it's NOT the government's job to regulate EVERYTHING.
I will say this again, the government's number one priority is to ensure our individual rights and liberties. If something else new comes along and is deemed to need government control, amend the Constitution.
I am not the one who is pretending HERE.
doc111
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lol! Nope, I don't think NoDrama needs my help with you. He seems to be defending his own honor just fine.
That IS funny how I just "popped up" on this forum which I've been a member of for almost 2 years and am on almost daily.
I like you londonfag. Can we be friends?
GreenThumbBill
New Member
Anybody with half a brain would look intelligent debating Stephen Baldwin though! lol I like a lot of RP's political agenda. The problem with RP is that he is a religious zealot. Religious zealot's cannot be trusted to keep church and state separate. Also, RP was featured in one of Sascha B Cohen's films and during the parts when he did not know he was being filmed came off as a homophobic jackass to me.
The Ruiner
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Is it apparent enough that they don't really explore the motives for Libya in the video interview with Ron Paul? He pretty much just slams the entire operation without even examining the cause. I can only assume that his complete ignorance on the matter is one, for show and publicity only, and two because nobody in Washington DC will tell that loud mouth a damn thing relating to REAL national security issues.
He talks about Obama "overstepping" his boundaries, but as President Ron Paul would entirely bitch slap the boundaries he is accusing Obama of overstepping. Can anyone see through the bullshit here?
This video is a typical Fox "news" interview with hardly any real substance with added edited stupidity. If you people are all so pissed off at these corporations why dont you STOP SUPPORTING THEM WITH YOUR MONEY??? Why do you prop up the very institutions you rail against?
He talks about Obama "overstepping" his boundaries, but as President Ron Paul would entirely bitch slap the boundaries he is accusing Obama of overstepping. Can anyone see through the bullshit here?
This video is a typical Fox "news" interview with hardly any real substance with added edited stupidity. If you people are all so pissed off at these corporations why dont you STOP SUPPORTING THEM WITH YOUR MONEY??? Why do you prop up the very institutions you rail against?
MixedMelodyMindBender
Active Member
Clever but Clueless
The Ruiner
Well-Known Member
Who is clueless?
deprave
New Member
so did you want him to examine 'the cause' for you or you cant do it yourself? He is rightfully outraged at all the bullshit that is going around surrounding Libiya - Obama has committed criminal actions for this war - secondly again it is the CIA openly working with al-qaida but this time right in front of your face and you dont have a problem with this? and Obama supporting it again breaking UN laws to do so.
The Ruiner
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Obama is the UNSEC Chairman, he is literally #2 at the UN, if they had a problem with the campaign it wouldnt happen. Secondly, "Al Qaeda" is merely a conglomeration of entities, many of which have had LONG standing ties to almost every Intelligence service with good US relations. Libya was waiting to happen, Gaddhafi had been over-reaching his boundaries and pressing all the wrong buttons.
And lastly, I was the first mother fucker on this forum to make the CIA connection and post the exact fucking reasons for it...you must have not seenthis thread. Also, I literally PREDICTED shit was going to go down here in this thread.
I have done my fair share of research...
When you worship a man as a god, you never find fault with him.
Where in the US Constitution is the UN given ANY authority?
doc111
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The Ruiner
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Oh I am sorry you decided to drag the Constitution into this after your statement was thoroughly dispensed with. And, that's a nice fail-safe plan: fall back on a document forged nearly 200 hundred years before the establishment of the organization in question...thats quite the non-sequiter of political debate. Thanks for your immaculate attention to detail.