stonegrove
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ye, I dont do any thing else but I was jus thinking about the vast majority of people who do...............................
Do you think weed should be legal?
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mizzchewy
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It would be a horrible thing if drugs were legal. The physiological addictiveness of most drugs (coke in all forms, opiates, etc ) are too powerful for most ( 89% ) to control. Historically, societies with legalized drugs were strained with economical and psychological problems. Drugs are illegal for a reason. There is a cause and effect for everything. Because they are illegal there is a uncontrollable black market for those who chose to use them. They should not be exposed freely to anyone. Weed should, It think, be treated as a different entity but we all know, as potheads, weed does cause impairment.
Economically, would really fuck up the market.
I remember those nights I running out of an 8-ball with all my friends and calling everyone i knew who knew someone who knew someone to find just one more gram. I think about it now and thank god i couldnt find blow some of the times I really wanted it. I probably wouldnt have graduated and started my own business and x-pills..... if they were legal... I'd be FUCKED UP probably be a vegetable by now lol
Economically, would really fuck up the market.
I remember those nights I running out of an 8-ball with all my friends and calling everyone i knew who knew someone who knew someone to find just one more gram. I think about it now and thank god i couldnt find blow some of the times I really wanted it. I probably wouldnt have graduated and started my own business and x-pills..... if they were legal... I'd be FUCKED UP probably be a vegetable by now lol
Marijuanajo
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(quote)I remember those nights I running out of an 8-ball with all my friends and calling everyone i knew who knew someone who knew someone to find just one more gram. I think about it now and thank god i couldnt find blow some of the times I really wanted it. I probably wouldnt have graduated and started my own business and x-pills..... if they were legal... I'd be FUCKED UP probably be a vegetable by now lol[/quote]
Point taken, however I have heard similar arguments before but the simple fact is if you are inclined to be the type of person ( and I'm not saying you are) that will get out of their head on whatever they can lay their hands on then that is what they will do regardless of the legality of the substance, making pot illegal does nothing but make otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals in the eyes of the law, it does nothing to protect those who have addictive tendencies especially given the fact that alcohol is so readily available.,
Point taken, however I have heard similar arguments before but the simple fact is if you are inclined to be the type of person ( and I'm not saying you are) that will get out of their head on whatever they can lay their hands on then that is what they will do regardless of the legality of the substance, making pot illegal does nothing but make otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals in the eyes of the law, it does nothing to protect those who have addictive tendencies especially given the fact that alcohol is so readily available.,
email468
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With liberty comes excess. If we are to be truly free, then the world's sharp edges will become longer, sharper and more deadly. Not always, but oftentimes the choice comes down to liberty/freedom or safety/security. The country was founded on the principals of the former but before the first presidential term was out the country was already sliding towards the latter.
Either the government can tell us what we can do with our bodies or it can not - putting limits on liberty is the slippery slope towards serfdom.
babylonburn
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legalize it,dont criticize it,ini will advertize it..babylon show them appreciate it ini natty dread cultivate it,its a herb like thyme,basil ect. its the most powerful herb,cook,drink,or skank it,dont abuse or misuse it,use it
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Joe2iisbeing
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i think its funny that anyone tries to tell the ground what can grow in it
HippiePower
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its just an herb, its all good. total legal.
Marijuanajo
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"but if its legal it will completely destroy all the fun" t dub c you can't be serious! FUN! it's no fun knowing that at any moment someone could kick your door in, ransack your house, confiscate your property, brand you a criminal and drag you off to jail. Lives are being ruined like this every day! Fun ! " In all, police seized 20 plants with a street value of more than $160,000. Estellia has been charged with manufacturing marijuana and now faces five to 30 years in jail if convicted." is this guy having fun?
I think not.
I think not.
alexdunaba
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Weed is a way better and natural depressant. Many companys advertise legal herbs but these are weak and not very effective. Not to mention the push on prescription medicines. Don't you agree that cannabis, is a way better form of helping people. Not to mention the wonderful commnity it creates but the overall benefits it brings to peoples lives. Pot is wonderful in so many ways, yet is ridculed, and given a bad name. I think it should be legal to grow and smoke marijuana anywhere around the world. For God gave us all plants, whether you religious or not, its a good plant. Which needs to be given a better name. Peace
nah, it should be banned forever, just like alcohol. I beg to differ with your interpretation of a depressant. To me, mj is an antidepressant. It makes the mind and body feel way the hell better than alcohol ever could. let's keep it illegal anyways. hehe.
alexdunaba
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The facts are there, and heroine is one f'd up drug. It should never, ever be legalized. I'd love to see some 5 year old kids sitting on my gutter drain sipping opium. yah, that's the way to save the world.
email468
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It is up to the parents or guardians to make sure their kids aren't sipping opium - not the government. If I want to smoke opium or shoot heroin, that should be my choice not the governments business and neither is it yours.The facts are there, and heroine is one f'd up drug. It should never, ever be legalized. I'd love to see some 5 year old kids sitting on my gutter drain sipping opium. yah, that's the way to save the world.
With freedom and liberty comes excess, can't have it both ways. Besides, there isn't anything preventing kids from getting heroin and opium now and if it were legalized, it would most likely have age restrictions - it's not like crack dealers are checking IDs.
alexdunaba
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sooooo, it's up to parents to be certain their children don't shoot anyone else, not the government (local and/or federal)? ...come on, man.
email468
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apples and oranges?
shooting someone hurts that other person and therefore takes away from their liberty.
shooting up hurts yourself.
see the difference?
alexdunaba
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apples and oranges v. marijuana and heroine? shooting yourself up hurts your family far more than shooting someone else.
email468
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that is very debatable. let's see - would i rather see a family member addicted to drugs that they can get treatment for or would i prefer a family member to be a murderer (or at least attempted) and sentenced to a long-term prison sentence or lethal injection?
In case you still think shooting up is worse (though i'm not sure how), that still doesn't counter my argument that while a family member addicted to hard drugs is sad and a shame, it doesn't justify taking away my freedom to do the same thing if i please. the theme of my message is i don't want my government to act like my parents. i will take responsibility for myself.
i don't believe any government should have the right to tell me what i can and can't do with/to my mind and body regardless of the consequences - short of infringing on someone else's rights.
is it sad for the family to lose someone to addiction? sure.
is keeping drugs illegal preventing addiction? sure isn't.
is keeping drugs illegal trampling on my rights? in my perception, sure is.
not that it matters, but in case you are curious...
if heroin was legal would you shoot up? fuck no
do you shoot up now? fuck no
If you really want to keep "hard" drugs illegal that is entirely up to you. I would ask that you at least concede you are forfeiting not only your rights, but mine and everyone else's. I will concede there are far more important rights that we've lost that would be better to focus our attention but that doesn't make keeping drugs illegal the correct path to take.
alexdunaba
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We forfeit our rights every day when we live under a government power. I won't turn this political, as you obviously hate the government under which you live
, I'll merely part this threat and point out that it would not be ok with me for a ten year old boy or girl to snort coke at an Outback Steakhouse while I'm enjoying some fried mushrooms. The governmental power was/is generally formed by the people living in that country to protect their self interests. To counter your argument, (as you stated I had not before) unless you have lived with and watched someone deteriorate to the point of death from hard core drugs, you could not understand how I feel that your freedom is less important than a loved one. I'd gladly sacrifice my freedom, and yours for my beloved wife. 
email468
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I am sorry for your loss and will grant you had i experienced the same thing as you I may very well feel exactly the same as you. I also would not condone minors or other potentially unstable folks from doing drugs of any sort, hard or not - though it is a hypocritical position for me to take.We forfeit our rights every day when we live under a government power. I won't turn this political, as you obviously hate the government under which you live
I think maybe your grief and hardship precludes you as the best judge to where others' liberties should end. I realize that not knowing you makes the proceeding inappropriate to say and I do apologize.
We are (or were) talking about drug laws so the government was already involved in the conversation. As far as I was concerned, you were defending anti hard drug legislation and i was for legalization - though I never clearly defined my position.
My current thinking would categorize drugs into real, scientifically based danger potential and there would be government regulation on all of them to one degree or another. I am not an anarchist but more of a minimalist in the Jeffersonian vein. In fact, it should be way more difficult for youngsters to get their hands on some coke than it is today or at least as difficult for them to get alcohol! I recall as a teen, I could get just about any drug you could name but to get beer we had to raid dad's fridge or hang around outside a bar begging strangers to buy it for us. oh those were the days.
And I will leave you with this...I am enjoying our banter and mean no offense to you personally. I'm sure we have plenty of common ground in other interests, concerns and of course ... hobbies and recreation!
mstrymxer
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kind of a dumb thread b/c it should be legal. weed being illegal makes as much sense as tobacco being illegal. it was made illegal due to racism in the early 1900's by henry anslinger. also the motivation to receive more money from the government for his agency. he used the excuse that it would protect the children.
if you wanted to protect children you would criminalize everything in your medicine cabinet, alcohol, and caffeine. they all kill more people in a day than marijuana has killed in recorded time. "no one has ever died for pot that wasnt shot by a cop or drug dealer" jack herer. the federal govt will never totally legalize it due to pharmaceutical lobbyists, corn lobbyists, and logging lobbyist. cannabis and hemp would greatly affect all of there profitability.
if you wanted to protect children you would criminalize everything in your medicine cabinet, alcohol, and caffeine. they all kill more people in a day than marijuana has killed in recorded time. "no one has ever died for pot that wasnt shot by a cop or drug dealer" jack herer. the federal govt will never totally legalize it due to pharmaceutical lobbyists, corn lobbyists, and logging lobbyist. cannabis and hemp would greatly affect all of there profitability.