4acodmt..safe to order?

Jayroach

Jayroach

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ive been a little distracted on my RCs lately and with all the new laws im not sure whats straight up shed 1 or what..im sure it can fall in the analogue:?: act, but im very curious in trying//as far as i can tell 4-Acetoxy-DiPT is unshed,,

but i read

4-Acetoxy-DiPT and 4-HO-DiPT are both uncontrolled substances in the U.S. as well as in most if not all other countries. It could conceivably be covered under the analog act depending on how it's sold, but there have been no cases brought to trial that we are aware of. (1/Nov/2004)

There are pending cases (beginning July 2004) in which vendors selling 4-Acetoxy-DIPT and other psychoactive chemicals to the general public are being prosecuted. Please see Research Chemical Arrests and Investigations. It is imporant to note, however, that there have been no convictions in these cases and so there is no further clarification of the legal status of 4-Acetoxy-DIPT at this time.
hmmm
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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Damn bro 5 post since 2007, I dont know how legal it is, but even illegal drugs can make it through the mail. its as safe as you make it out to be.

its way more likely to get ripped of by a fake vendor than to get your stuff picked up by customs.
 
forgetfulpenguin

forgetfulpenguin

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Assuming you are talking about the US

It's quite simply really, there is nothing illegal about analogs like 4-Acetoxy-DiPT unless they demonstrate that there is intent to ingest. If they do that you have run afowl of the Federal Analogue Act (as modified by the ruling in United States v. Forbes Colorado). July 24 2004 is when operation web tryp dropped the hammer and busted some retailers who didn't do enough cover their ass when marketing their products.

It's grey area, there is nothing illegal about it until they can demonstrate that it is for human consumption. Though if they prove that it's for human consumption it is blatantly illegal.

Code: 
21 U.S.C. § 802(32)

    (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
        (i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; [While not in the original law it was latter ruled that the act was unconstitutionally vague because there is no conjunction here. The court basically ruled there should be an and here making it so parts A(i) and either A(ii) or A(iii) must be met for a substance to be an analogue under the law.]
        (ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
        (iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
    (B) The designation of gamma butyrolactone or any other chemical as a listed chemical pursuant to paragraph (34) or (35) does not preclude a finding pursuant to subparagraph (A) of this paragraph that the chemical is a controlled substance analogue.
    (C) Such term does not include -
        (i) a controlled substance;
        (ii) any substance for which there is an approved new drug application;
        (iii) with respect to a particular person any substance, if an exemption is in effect for investigational use, for that person, under section 355 of this title to the extent conduct with respect to such substance is pursuant to such exemption; or
        (iv) any substance to the extent not intended for human consumption before such an exemption takes effect with respect to that substance.
These are important cases if you want to know more about the act.
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/cases/federal/federal_analog1.shtml
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-circuit/1302846.html
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/312/926/608696/
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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I've seen it available from a few vendors.. I really wanted some 4 aco dmt, whats the difference between the 4 aco dmt, mipt, and dipt?
 
Ellis Dee

Ellis Dee

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Its the same difference that make MET or DPT different from DMT.

The sub-group on the amine is what changes.
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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Ellis Dee said:
Its the same difference that make MET or DPT different from DMT.

The sub-group on the amine is what changes.
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cool cool, what about effects, are they similar, way different, I could research it all my self, but im on very little sleep.. and lazy ;)
 
Ellis Dee

Ellis Dee

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Methyl-Isopropyl Tryptamine and DiIsoPropyl Trptamine.

I have tried their 4-ho's and are considerably nice, the 4-HO-DIPT has the distinct audio hallucinations Shulgin describes.
4-HO-MiPT was a bit more sedating as I can remember.
 
Ellis Dee

Ellis Dee

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Straight from the 4-HO-DIPT entry in TihKaL:

Shulgin said:
I truly doubt there is another psychedelic drug, anywhere, that can match this one for speed, for intensity, for brevity, and sensitivity to dose, at least on that is orally active.
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Swag

Swag

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Just received an order of 4-AcO-DMT Furmate. Dosed around 16mg yesterday and only experienced a mushroom like body load (A good kind :hump:). Though only a short time of mild C/OEV's which occurred only after smoking some marijuana. I read on erowid that 8-20mg was supposed to me a "common" dose and on Bluelighter many people say 25mg is very similar to an 8th dose of mushrooms... Now I am wondering if they are referring the the HCL form instead of Furmate as I've read that HCL is less stable but more potent per mg than Furmate. So just wondering if anyone that has experience with the furmate form could give me a rough estimate on how many mg would be about equivalence in potency to an 8th of psilocybe cubensis?
 
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Michael Phelps

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Ellis Dee i have a question for you...


How are you so damn knowledgeable with all this stuff, i mean shit i thought i always knew a fair amount of hallucinogens but there is no way i could start describing what the 4aco is to the 5meo to the 4mipt, etc. Even after reading constant trip reports, erowid, etc, it all still confuses the shit out of me lol..


Also is that you in your picture? If so, you look very happy :D
 
Ellis Dee

Ellis Dee

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Reading and looking at diagrams, thats all school is really. I am not really familiar with determining physical properties based on structure, but there are rules that once you memorize them you never forget. Honestly nomenclature is key to this stuff. There are always longer ways to describe it but there are some base units that you just get to know after a while.

And no, that is Janis!! :D:D
 
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Michael Phelps

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Ahhh i see.

Back in high school i always had the hardest time with chemistry, it was a mix of having a teacher who would give you a 100% as long as you turned something in and the fact that i was young and dumb and thought "what the fuck will i ever need this for".

As i get older i realize how truly amazing and interesting it is, how i really wish i would have paid attention in school.


Not only that buy my chemistry teacher was a straight up hippy! I guarantee she has made some chem's in her day for sure haha..




Ahhh Good ole Joplin... Gotta love her!
 
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