i have a smalll rooom with a bout 16 plants i ripped 2 definete males out alrede, i believe i see 3 pos females, they are kc brain strain, some of the plants arent goin as well yet because there was insufficient light, I used cfls for veggging for about 5-6 weeks only becuase i was stupid at the time i had like 12 cfls hanging, so it was easier and the same money to get the 400 wattttttter hps, which works better, i have better results, sucks i bought the cfls first tho, because the kit i bought for like 140 on ebay had a mh and hps in it(400w). So for futute if there are any beginners, its about the same money! to just go with the hps, I will post pictures later, up to date, do not wanna go in dark rooom now, im about almost 3 weeks into flowering, strain sucked toook forever to telll the sex! I added 10 cfl lights on the sides to get more light, and have my hps hanging from ceiling... Did NOT top, lettin my babies grow talllllll, hope the other ones dont turn out to b male during week, cuz im only here on the weekend, cant take as much care as i want too, and person who stays here can careless and waters them here and there for me, haha...k will post later....to earllllly wakeeeee n bakedddddd out....bud for morning: headband, crystal(from cali), and ammenisa