Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

[Bad Karma]

I believe it's called "looking before you leap"

I think we'd all rather you just take a leap.

 

[Harrekin]

I think we'd all rather you just take a leap.

Care to address any of the points I made or you just trolling? I mean if everything I'm saying is purely negative and has no grounding in reality how come noone just proves me wrong or corrects me with actual facts instead of hearsay?

I'm trying to engage in conversation and debate,but it always falls back to being trolled by fan-boys who won't hear any wrong spoken of their precious investments. Like in newworlds last post,he basically said the manufacturers havnt actually properly measured the effective footprint of the lights they make...wtf like?

 

[curly604]

bleaching is definatly a real thing it just happened to one of my girls just the very tip heres a pic

 

[kanx]

One of the biggest problems I seam to see with LED lighting is how cool they run.

This may sound silly , but if there super cool , means your grow will be a little cold , which means you will need to use a elec heater to heat your room.

Me personally I despise having to use elec heaters at all , as all they do is eat electricity and fart out a little heat.

The small oil radiator I have runs about 1800 watt's(600watt's more than my lighting ...) , think theres a 1200 wat setting on it. If I stuck the heater on 1800 watt's, It would fail to put out the heat of a 600 hps.

So I would have to prob get a bigger one which will cost more.

Right now I can run 2 x 600 hps with a 5inch out and a 4 inch in vent and the temps at the highest right next to light are approx 90-95, where as the rest of the room is 75-85.
This is during summer , i switch lights on at night time , off in the day. So come autumn /winter , I could prob get away with banging another 600 in , esp when I plan on upping my intake and outake down the line.

If I had LED light's I would need loads of them , or I would have to add a heater to my grow which would cancel out any saving I might have made on LED's being cheaper and to top it all off , some would say i have alot less lighting.

 

[Harrekin]

I don't think anyone with 2 600w HPS and stable temps would ever change to LED...agreements,disagreements? How many LED watts would you need to replace the two 600's have you checked?

 

[curly604]

One of the biggest problems I seam to see with LED lighting is how cool they run.

This may sound silly , but if there super cool , means your grow will be a little cold , which means you will need to use a elec heater to heat your room.

Me personally I despise having to use elec heaters at all , as all they do is eat electricity and fart out a little heat.

The small oil radiator I have runs about 1800 watt's(600watt's more than my lighting ...) , think theres a 1200 wat setting on it. If I stuck the heater on 1800 watt's, It would fail to put out the heat of a 600 hps.

So I would have to prob get a bigger one which will cost more.

Right now I can run 2 x 600 hps with a 5inch out and a 4 inch in vent and the temps at the highest right next to light are approx 90-95, where as the rest of the room is 75-85.
This is during summer , i switch lights on at night time , off in the day. So come autumn /winter , I could prob get away with banging another 600 in , esp when I plan on upping my intake and outake down the line.

If I had LED light's I would need loads of them , or I would have to add a heater to my grow which would cancel out any saving I might have made on LED's being cheaper and to top it all off , some would say i have alot less lighting.

i dont know where you live or what the temp is out side during the summer but i dont think being to cold is an issue unless it really drops down really low i would say as long as your above 20 Celsius or 70 in your Fahrenheit system your good to go you might even be able to get away with a few degrees lower but i would not recommend they say 25c or 78f is ideal but you can get away with a bit and not hurt your babies

 

[kanx]

I would agree , people who can run hps's will more than likely stick with them.

Sadly my exp with LED is limited , so I really can't say.

I'm mostly going on people saying that they run very cool, as I said my worry would be about the grow room being to cold , and having to add a heater , which I just think is pointless.

By all means if someone is useing a small LED to bud in a small little space or something , fire in I say.

Just think mh/hps are alot better in alot of way's, I agree down the line LED's or i've heard something about plasma lighting might take over ,

They just need to iron them out a bit from what i hear, tho they are moving in the right direction.

 

[kanx]

A big part on being able to run both lights in summer , is to as i said have the lights come on at night time , and off in the day.

This helps combat temperature problems's and helps slightly lower your chances of detection imo.

Im in the uk , up north.

 

[newworldicon]

Ride your coattails? Lol,seriously,you're taking this very personally...sorry for not wanting to invest huge money on something that the manufacturers don't even list the true wattage of and then being skeptical of their other fairy story claims.I'm also sorry if it offends you that I'm seeking the truth about them first,there's so many lies going around "eg: 400w led outperforms 1000w HID".

I believe it's called "looking before you leap"

I'll gladly "ride your coattails" if it means I don't invest in something unworthwhile (for me)...and just outta interest,when do you want your medal for you're "pioneering" and self-sacrificing work?

Now you are taking things personally, I doubt anyone buys a 400W panel thinking they will replace a 1000W HID. Some of us see past all of that. You always bring up the same old chestnuts...they over claim too much, they don't provide true wattage etc. Well most reputable companies make those kind of things obvious. Stop searching alibaba for your LED light then.

When I bought the 400 it was a replacement for a 600 which I think will be adequate. Try to see things in context instead of getting hung up on what a bunch of Chinese exaggerated about 3 years ago. It's like you have a sore finger about something that happened ages ago, get over yourself.

The medal is for me to bestow on myself, I hereby knight myself LED slave...hahahahaha

 

[Gary Busey]

My LEDs add about 8F above temps outside the cabs. They do not add cold.

Unless you plan on taking the LED outside in the winter to grow, the temps will be fine.

If you're growing indoors, I would assume you have the temps in your house set at a comfortable level for human living, right? Then it should be comfortable for the plants too. If your house is so cold, that after the 8F addition in LED heat it is still too cold for the plants, it is probably too cold for humans to be comfortable too.

As for people with HPS setups that are dialed in, and they are happy with them, I wouldn't make a switch to another lighting system, even if it's a different HPS system. If what I have is working, and I spent money on it, I am going to keep using until it stops working, then I may look into other lighting options. And it is only proper to research before you buy. There is a lot of crap out there.

One of the biggest problems I seam to see with LED lighting is how cool they run.

This may sound silly , but if there super cool , means your grow will be a little cold , which means you will need to use a elec heater to heat your room.

Me personally I despise having to use elec heaters at all , as all they do is eat electricity and fart out a little heat.

The small oil radiator I have runs about 1800 watt's(600watt's more than my lighting ...) , think theres a 1200 wat setting on it. If I stuck the heater on 1800 watt's, It would fail to put out the heat of a 600 hps.

So I would have to prob get a bigger one which will cost more.

Right now I can run 2 x 600 hps with a 5inch out and a 4 inch in vent and the temps at the highest right next to light are approx 90-95, where as the rest of the room is 75-85.
This is during summer , i switch lights on at night time , off in the day. So come autumn /winter , I could prob get away with banging another 600 in , esp when I plan on upping my intake and outake down the line.

If I had LED light's I would need loads of them , or I would have to add a heater to my grow which would cancel out any saving I might have made on LED's being cheaper and to top it all off , some would say i have alot less lighting.

I would agree , people who can run hps's will more than likely stick with them.

Sadly my exp with LED is limited , so I really can't say.

I'm mostly going on people saying that they run very cool, as I said my worry would be about the grow room being to cold , and having to add a heater , which I just think is pointless.

By all means if someone is useing a small LED to bud in a small little space or something , fire in I say.

Just think mh/hps are alot better in alot of way's, I agree down the line LED's or i've heard something about plasma lighting might take over ,

They just need to iron them out a bit from what i hear, tho they are moving in the right direction.

 

[newworldicon]

Care to address any of the points I made or you just trolling? I mean if everything I'm saying is purely negative and has no grounding in reality how come noone just proves me wrong or corrects me with actual facts instead of hearsay?

I'm trying to engage in conversation and debate,but it always falls back to being trolled by fan-boys who won't hear any wrong spoken of their precious investments. Like in newworlds last post,he basically said the manufacturers havnt actually properly measured the effective footprint of the lights they make...wtf like?

Try to focus now, nor I nor anyone else on the thread it seems has any data on the effective footprint from the manufacturers, that's not to say they don't have it, it's just that we don't have it. They may want to hold onto it for whatever reason suits them and I can understand why, I may not like it but that's the way it is. Hortilux does not have a graph on each bulb ad talking about light intensity and inverse square laws. I have yet to see that from a HID manufacturer, they offer other details like lumens and then you figure out for yourself what you want to know.

Nobody here is being delicate about their investment, you seem to be barking up the wrong tree in me with that crap. I bought the 400 to work with it to see if it in fact does what it says on the can, I have 2 constant flower rooms going with HPS already so it was always going to be experimenting on the side. I am happy to shove the LED in the veg room if it does not live up to it's reputation, what loss is that, an awesome vegging light that kills anything else.

 

[newworldicon]

One of the biggest problems I seam to see with LED lighting is how cool they run.

This may sound silly , but if there super cool , means your grow will be a little cold , which means you will need to use a elec heater to heat your room.

Me personally I despise having to use elec heaters at all , as all they do is eat electricity and fart out a little heat.

The small oil radiator I have runs about 1800 watt's(600watt's more than my lighting ...) , think theres a 1200 wat setting on it. If I stuck the heater on 1800 watt's, It would fail to put out the heat of a 600 hps.

So I would have to prob get a bigger one which will cost more.

Right now I can run 2 x 600 hps with a 5inch out and a 4 inch in vent and the temps at the highest right next to light are approx 90-95, where as the rest of the room is 75-85.
This is during summer , i switch lights on at night time , off in the day. So come autumn /winter , I could prob get away with banging another 600 in , esp when I plan on upping my intake and outake down the line.

If I had LED light's I would need loads of them , or I would have to add a heater to my grow which would cancel out any saving I might have made on LED's being cheaper and to top it all off , some would say i have alot less lighting.

I'm assuming you cover 2x (4x4) spaces with the 2x600. I have very similar set ups. Sounds crazy but a 75-80mm candle would heat up your space in an hour and keep a constant 3-4 degrees above your normal whilst burning. Just put on a plate or something.

 

[newworldicon]

I don't think anyone with 2 600w HPS and stable temps would ever change to LED...agreements,disagreements? How many LED watts would you need to replace the two 600's have you checked?

2x600W HPS = 1280W..............the 80 watts is electronic ballasts
3x550W LED = 1260W..............actual draw is 420Wx3.

Both in a 8x4 space which is what the 600's would effectively cover.

The 3 LED would each have a core coverage of about 2.5x3.5 so depending on how mounted would cover 7.5x3.5.

This is where people like myself come unstuck with LED....the core footprint. On the other hand I would need a blockbuster reflector at £175 just for the reflector to really hit the corners of the 4x4, having used other reflectors and cooltubes etc. I can say from my own experience that they do not get the light to the corners as much...period so am I in the same place as with the LED core footprint. Any indoor grower who has been doing this for many decades will tell you that a 600 was originally seen to be suited for a 3x3....a 1000 was for a 4x4. In years to come hydro shops owners and sales people would bump up that claim. Your inverse square law would prove that over and over and over.

Would the 3 LED's produce either more, slightly less at the sake of better quality or equal to the 2xHPS..........I would think any of these because of the quality of the light and because of 3 light sources basking the space compared to the 2x HPS.

But the fact is nobody can say for sure unless they do the experiment so all bets are off on another hypothetical.

 

[kanx]

I'm assuming you cover 2x (4x4) spaces with the 2x600. I have very similar set ups. Sounds crazy but a 75-80mm candle would heat up your space in an hour and keep a constant 3-4 degrees above your normal whilst burning. Just put on a plate or something.

My room is approx 6foot by 6 foot(grow space) , i run the 2 600 hps's vertical.. Not stacked , spaced out.

 

[kanx]

My LEDs add about 8F above temps outside the cabs. They do not add cold.

Unless you plan on taking the LED outside in the winter to grow, the temps will be fine.

If you're growing indoors, I would assume you have the temps in your house set at a comfortable level for human living, right? Then it should be comfortable for the plants too. If your house is so cold, that after the 8F addition in LED heat it is still too cold for the plants, it is probably too cold for humans to be comfortable too.

As for people with HPS setups that are dialed in, and they are happy with them, I wouldn't make a switch to another lighting system, even if it's a different HPS system. If what I have is working, and I spent money on it, I am going to keep using until it stops working, then I may look into other lighting options. And it is only proper to research before you buy. There is a lot of crap out there.

Tbh i'n my house if your cold you put on a jacket lol.

Tho come night time once the grow kicks in , I vent the room into the house , so I get free heating ^^ .

Thinking about it the amount of effort I put into feeding , taking care of plants and tending to there need's I take better care of them than I do myself . Sure im not the only one here guilty of that.

 

[Gary Busey]

I wish I could keep it colder in my house.... My girlfriend always bitches if I turn the a/c on too high... 73F/22C is too cold for her, I like 65F/18C.

Tbh i'n my house if your cold you put on a jacket lol.

Tho come night time once the grow kicks in , I vent the room into the house , so I get free heating ^^ .

Thinking about it the amount of effort I put into feeding , taking care of plants and tending to there need's I take better care of them than I do myself . Sure im not the only one here guilty of that.

 

[kanx]

^^

No need for ac where I live , just need to open a window .

Usually never gets to warm where I live(maybe 3 days a year if we are lucky it gets really bad) , tho in the winter it can get kinda cold, nothing terrible , but cold enough to maybe get another 600w hps in there , maybe 2 with better venting.

I would say i'm very luck on my location when it comes to this hobby , if anything I would say I got one of the better places to grow indoor's on the planet as it is usually always cold outside , even in summer.

A good summer where I live is being able to see the sun and it dosnt rain. So ac's etc wouldnt even come into the equation with my grow .

 

[Gary Busey]

Between the 2 locations where I live (US and Mexico) I get extreme heat in the summers in MX, and extreme winters in the US. I'm in the US right now, and it is pretty hot outside, 95F/35C. Winters in MX are nice, and that's when I try to go there.

 

[kanx]

Thats insane, techniquly , your outdoors is hotter than most of my grow room. or as hot as 5 inches from my bulbs lol

I'd die if i lived there.

 

[newworldicon]

My room is approx 6foot by 6 foot(grow space) , i run the 2 600 hps's vertical.. Not stacked , spaced out.

Then you would need a lot of LED and unless you have the cash to splash it would not make sense for you. Either 4x550W or 8x260W, I only use hydrohut as a reference mind you. The footprint is the problem, that is what I am encountering in a larger space to cover.