i.am.what.i.am
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can i help you resinate it? 
Hawaii Growers
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DelSlow
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Ok, so it has come to my attention that this info is misleading. 10,000 watts of any light would generate a lot of heat. But when I hear "cfl-grow" I think of people using multiple small bulbs (23w-46w) that probably uses around 100-300w total. I have done this in the past, and heat wasn't much of an issue, just use a fan to blow air at the lights. My grow room temps were the same as other rooms in the house, so I doubt it would register as suspicious.
But hey, just my opinion. I always like to learn so if you guys have any more info on detecting indoor grows I'm all ears
Trichy Bastard
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I think you're right for all practical purposes Del. There are many people running mulltiple cfl's in their house right now as lighting. They could not tell the difference, and probably never can. I'm trying to find it somewhere, but on google I did see an article that told how to proof your house against the helicoptor sensors (it was for a big city somewhere). I remember blocking the windows with a couple layers of thick styrofoam sheeting and aluminum foil or reflectix and reflectix tape. They had you use the nightshot on your video camera to test out your work. It made sense to me- and apparently if the walls are adequetely insulated, only the windows allow them to sense the ir emmissions. Although it's not something I need to concern myself with, it was still interesting to read. Apparently water cooled lighting literaly washes the evidence down the drain and are much harder to detect (from what I've read).Ok, so it has come to my attention that this info is misleading. 10,000 watts of any light would generate a lot of heat. But when I hear "cfl-grow" I think of people using multiple small bulbs (23w-46w) that probably uses around 100-300w total. I have done this in the past, and heat wasn't much of an issue, just use a fan to blow air at the lights. My grow room temps were the same as other rooms in the house, so I doubt it would register as suspicious.
But hey, just my opinion. I always like to learn so if you guys have any more info on detecting indoor grows I'm all ears
rikdabrick
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I actually haven't used any Fox Farm products yet, I just thought it was rad that the Keaau Ace had it stocked. I was planning on using Big Bloom though, because I heard good results for it and it's organic.
Sheckster
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Hawaii Growers... You're slacking!
UKIAH, Calif. (AP) — Law enforcement officials said Friday they struck a major blow against illegal marijuana cultivation on public lands in the heart of Northern California pot country.
The two-week operation to purge the Mendocino National Forest of illicit pot gardens uprooted 460,000 pot plants and led to more than 100 arrests, U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag said.
About 1,500 pounds of processed marijuana, 27 guns and 11 vehicles were also seized.
The 900,000-acre forest — larger than Rhode Island — spans six counties in a region of mountains and forests known as the Emerald Triangle for its high concentration of pot farms. Agents raided more than 50 gardens teeming with trash, irrigation pipes and chemicals that damage forestland and waterways, authorities said.
"The Mendocino National Forest is under attack by drug traffickers," Haag said.
The operation was part of an annual summer effort to eradicate marijuana from public lands across the state. Six sheriff's departments, the state anti-narcotics bureau and at least a half-dozen federal agencies took part in the effort in the forest.
Spearheading the raids was Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman, who in his years on the job has had to balance county medical marijuana ordinances with state law and the complete federal ban on the drug. Allman said none of the gardens busted showed any sign of being used to grow medical marijuana.
Each summer for the past several years, authorities report seizing millions of pot plants from local, state and national parks, forests and other wilderness areas. Public lands are often favored by clandestine growers for their remote locations and rugged terrain.
In previous years, officials have blamed Mexican drug cartels for some of the state's largest growing operations. Haag declined Friday to comment on where those arrested in the current operation were from but said 25 are already facing federal charges.
The decision to focus on Mendocino National Forest this year stemmed from citizen complaints a year ago about an increasing number of confrontations with armed guards protecting pot grows, Allman said.
UKIAH, Calif. (AP) — Law enforcement officials said Friday they struck a major blow against illegal marijuana cultivation on public lands in the heart of Northern California pot country.
The two-week operation to purge the Mendocino National Forest of illicit pot gardens uprooted 460,000 pot plants and led to more than 100 arrests, U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag said.
About 1,500 pounds of processed marijuana, 27 guns and 11 vehicles were also seized.
The 900,000-acre forest — larger than Rhode Island — spans six counties in a region of mountains and forests known as the Emerald Triangle for its high concentration of pot farms. Agents raided more than 50 gardens teeming with trash, irrigation pipes and chemicals that damage forestland and waterways, authorities said.
"The Mendocino National Forest is under attack by drug traffickers," Haag said.
The operation was part of an annual summer effort to eradicate marijuana from public lands across the state. Six sheriff's departments, the state anti-narcotics bureau and at least a half-dozen federal agencies took part in the effort in the forest.
Spearheading the raids was Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman, who in his years on the job has had to balance county medical marijuana ordinances with state law and the complete federal ban on the drug. Allman said none of the gardens busted showed any sign of being used to grow medical marijuana.
Each summer for the past several years, authorities report seizing millions of pot plants from local, state and national parks, forests and other wilderness areas. Public lands are often favored by clandestine growers for their remote locations and rugged terrain.
In previous years, officials have blamed Mexican drug cartels for some of the state's largest growing operations. Haag declined Friday to comment on where those arrested in the current operation were from but said 25 are already facing federal charges.
The decision to focus on Mendocino National Forest this year stemmed from citizen complaints a year ago about an increasing number of confrontations with armed guards protecting pot grows, Allman said.
Fuzznutz
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Nah... Just prefer the focus stays elsewhere, anywhere but HI 
. Also hoping any potential federal spending cuts include defunding Green Harvest operations. As I type there are helos flying above... No shit!! WTF.
. Also hoping any potential federal spending cuts include defunding Green Harvest operations. As I type there are helos flying above... No shit!! WTF.
Trichy Bastard
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Yeah, and as much as I am for the plant, leaving toxic garbage lying around and having armed guards in our national forest areas where families camp and hike isn't really cool either. The way I see it- if they federally decriminalized, then these large ops would either not exist, or would be regulated properly. You have to wonder what comes first- the chicken or the egg in this situation. Either way, that stuff does not help out in a good public image for growing in general.
Fuzznutz
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I agree Tric. Hope I didn't come across as a non-caring, cold hearted bastard
I just meant that I'd rather have the focus elsewhere and/or on something else.I have some very good friends that are farmers/growers in Mendo county and they are also feeling the heat due to the cartels moving in and essentially leaving behind toxic wastelands.
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Trichy Bastard
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I knew what you meant man, and was just mentioning the other side too. I thought about it more and have a feeling this op might have been the brainchild of some people that worry about losing thier jobs in light of federal decriminalization. If they can prove to the public that pot is evil and out of control, then it's just job securty for them. It's just another blow towards legalization if you take it for face value. What I hope the public largely recognizes is that the problem was started by making it illegal in the first place. There is going to be a big fight from the people who's money comes from busting growers. There is a whole lot of them, and once again, money and greed usually weighs in more than the actual well being of the majority of citizens. Seriously though, do you expect these people to lay down and be fine with unemployment? They have families to feed too. It's just such a mess to unwind now.I agree Tric. Hope I didn't come across as a non-caring, cold hearted bastard
I have some very good friends that are farmers/growers in Mendo county and they are also feeling the heat due to the cartels moving in and essentially leaving behind toxic wastelands.
Overgrow the Nation
Fuzznutz
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Good points all. I agree, this will be a mess for years. Hell, our state legislature didn't even take up all the bills passed and approved by the senate. Luckily we have a two year cycle and the bills won't die.
Check out this interesting read http://www.drugscience.org/States/HI/HI.pdf. Draw your own conclusions. I post this as the helos stay in a perpetual hover over central Oahu at this very moment.
Sheckster
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Funny that this information isn't in any of the US news outlets..
Got this from BBC News -
Police seize $1.7bn worth of marijuana in California
They have also arrested 97 people over the past three weeks, most of them Mexican nationals believed to have ties with Mexican drug cartels.
Got this from BBC News -
Police seize $1.7bn worth of marijuana in California
They have also arrested 97 people over the past three weeks, most of them Mexican nationals believed to have ties with Mexican drug cartels.
SurfdOut
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Yeah, had abunch of the little green ones that eat yur leaves from the bottom and crapt all over the place about a month ago, pulled them all off by hand and haven't seen any in a couple weeks.....are these guys seasonal/location specific or do you just see them about a couple weeks after moving plants outside? I read somewhere if your plant has alot of calcium it tends to deter them, no idea if this is correct......I just use an integrated pest managment routine using physical control, foliar spraying(neem, dr. bronners, kelp or epsom salt) and companion planting. When I use to plant nasturtiums close though, they seemed to attract bud worms.
Fuzznutz
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Got a question all. Picked up a couple of bags of Root Organic and when I opened one bag a cloud on gnats came flying out. Looked inside and crawling with thousands of gnats. Should I return bags or just bake and sterilize soil, which will kill all the gnats AND soil nutes? If I return the bags, it won't be for an exchange as I'm sure the rest of their stock is contaminated as well. So, I'll be stuck without any quality soil as there are very few places that sell Roots or FF on the island. Thoughts?
Sheckster
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In four years at the location I am at, I never saw those centipedes until about 6 months ago... They hit hard for the first 4 months and now they seem to have subsided...
I would imagine the weather probably caused the centipedes to start early and whatever their predator is that keeps them under control wasn't there to mitigate their numbers...
I would imagine the weather probably caused the centipedes to start early and whatever their predator is that keeps them under control wasn't there to mitigate their numbers...