Should I grow Black Widow or ECSD???

[Benjammin'29201]

Hello everyone. I was looking for some people with some experience with Shanti's Black Widow and Rez's ECSD. I have some of Shanti's seeds already but have heard a lot of amazing things about that ECSD. Should I just go ahead with the beans that I already have? Or is ECSD THAT amazing where I should sprout that next?? PLEASE HELP!

 

[d.s.m.]

What condition are you treating?

 

[Benjammin'29201]

Anxiety and depression. I wanted to try the euphoric and positive high of one of the best breeders and lines. (Thats why i got the Widow even though its a hybrid) And wanting to stay away from feminized seeds and liking sativas I saw that Rez was selling his ECSD. Wanted to grow out GHS SLH but its feminized.. Just looking to be in a good mood and energetic while searching for a strain thats strong. I think my choices are pretty good, I just can't commit to one without knowing all the facts. And thanks for replying good sir.

 

[d.s.m.]

Curious about avoiding feminized seeds. Besides the fact that some turn out hermie, are there other downsides? I ask because I failed very badly at starting SLH and Tangerine Dream from seeds this year. It was my first time growing from seed, and I shit the bed.

My Blue Dream is taller than me even after being topped four times, and my seed plants are just sad little Charlie Brown Christmas trees.

 

[hic]

The pack of Black was unstable as hell last winter. I have heard he was working on that though. Dismiss the off phenos they are junk but if you run into the floral one you have found your meds!. I suffer from shit and that floral BW is my first joint in the morning usually.

 

[Benjammin'29201]

Yeah, I'd love to get a clone of that BD, but where I am its just seeds unfortunately. I've just researched that fems are likely to be less potent and yield less as well. (thats just what I read) Plus with going with a strain thats been stabilized by a real pro (Shanti) over the years you're more likely for sucess. There are nothing wrong with fems believe me. But after a few grows I'm ready to give myself as much of a chance for the dankest stuff possible. I've narrowed it down to two of the best in the world and now i'm being a pussy and can't decide. I WOULD have to spend around 150 bucks to get some ECSD seeds and i've already got the original widow... But I hear that ecsd done right is about as good as it gets. Ever.

 

[obijohn]

Why not do both?

 

[Benjammin'29201]

I'm definitely going to, but my closet has a powergrower in it and will fill up quickly with just one plant. I was just curious if some people had some opinions on which to grow first. Plus I'm new in town and want to impress anyone who cheefs with me on my first batch. I know i can't go wrong with either, but i'm thinking about picking up some of Rez's gear for extra wow factor.

 

[Benjammin'29201]

Just need some advice on which strain is better to grow and stronger. Both will help with my anxiety/depression (I'm 95% sure) but I wanted to ask the Cali medical community because you guys know best about the purest form of the strains (And I'm assuming a good number of you suffer from A/D as well). Ya'lls expertise is my only hope to make the right decision as i have never grown either strain or experienced the pure forms of them.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

I have a good deal of exp. with a lot of shanti's gear as well as rezdogs. The black widow is a very stable and uniform strain that does not have the variation that you will get from the sour diesel "IBL"......With all due respect to rez, the only issue I have with his "ibl" is the amount of variation you get. An IBL should not have the amount of variation that his Chem and Sour "IBL's" have.

As far as potency I would raise the hand of shanti's before Rez's. Although both breeders are very respected in that aspect.

Flavor--Taste That is subjective and really up to you. Personally I have enjoyed many strains by both breeders.

So to say which strain is better to grow or stronger is kind of subjective to each grower and what they are looking for. Both breeders are known and respected. Both have great potency strains. However, Shanti's gear will be more uniform and will not have the variation.

In my general opinion...your wasting your $180ish dollars with rez's gear. Its nice stuff with good potency and flavor but its all if you can find the right pheno and there is alot of pheno's in all of his gear. His IBL's are a very big joke...especially if you ask shanti

If you do the research you can order straight from shanti and he is a great down to earth person to work with. If you do research on Rez...you will find out he is loved and hated by many and is a very arrogant sob....and he is probably proud of that. Shanti is a humanitarian and a very noble person...you cant go wrong with his gear.

If there is variations in some of shanti's strains its well known and documented on his website. Rezdog on the other hand is more like..."heres some $180ish seeds...there should be something good in there"

 

[Benjammin'29201]

Thank you so much Bender. Good info that will help A LOT. People on the Mr. Nice forums kept saying to PM Shanti when the Widow seeds were impossible to find, and I finally did. I found out that the giant that he is in the cannabis world is as cool as a cucumber. And yeah, people don't really seem to care for Rez too much on the web. Ha.

But I will take your advice on growing the BW out and save Rez's gear for another time. The unpredictability of those inbred lines aren't good for a guy like me with a single plant scrog closet. Your input is greatly appreciated good sir.

P.S. I know there are like 2 or 3 different BW phenos too, right? I've read things from a bubble gum pheno to the heavy citrus ammonia one... Which is the best to look out for?

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

I am not exactly sure of the top of my head just how many pheno's are within the black widow. I have grown 5 beans of the black widow. Got 4 females. The two sativa dom pheno's where my keepers and the ones to really awe me. Both had a very tangy-lime flavour and a A+ Sativa buzz. The two indica pheno's had the ammonia(ish) petrol kind of funk with a very narcotic stuck to couch kind of buzz. A+ on the Indica scale for me

I would just pm shanti and he will get the info straight for ya! Cheers to You m8

 

[hic]

I have a good deal of exp. with a lot of shanti's gear as well as rezdogs. The black widow is a very stable and uniform strain that does not have the variation that you will get from the sour diesel "IBL"......With all due respect to rez, the only issue I have with his "ibl" is the amount of variation you get. An IBL should not have the amount of variation that his Chem and Sour "IBL's" have.

As far as potency I would raise the hand of shanti's before Rez's. Although both breeders are very respected in that aspect.

Flavor--Taste That is subjective and really up to you. Personally I have enjoyed many strains by both breeders.

So to say which strain is better to grow or stronger is kind of subjective to each grower and what they are looking for. Both breeders are known and respected. Both have great potency strains. However, Shanti's gear will be more uniform and will not have the variation.

In my general opinion...your wasting your $180ish dollars with rez's gear. Its nice stuff with good potency and flavor but its all if you can find the right pheno and there is alot of pheno's in all of his gear. His IBL's are a very big joke...especially if you ask shanti

If you do the research you can order straight from shanti and he is a great down to earth person to work with. If you do research on Rez...you will find out he is loved and hated by many and is a very arrogant sob....and he is probably proud of that. Shanti is a humanitarian and a very noble person...you cant go wrong with his gear.

If there is variations in some of shanti's strains its well known and documented on his website. Rezdog on the other hand is more like..."heres some $180ish seeds...there should be something good in there"

Keep what you think to yourself if all you are going to do is have bad ideas. I have grown MR.NICES gear plenty and CM is more stable then BW by a long shot dude. A bad advise giver indeed you are.

Benjammin - if what you say is true and you are only going to have 1 plant at a time it may take you a while to find the BLACK. Although you may get it the first time but I doubt it. Outta 14 seeds I sprouted I only found 1 BLACK. The seeds were sealed and was a very legit grow. Pay no attention to the one that is seeking attention BW is too unstable for a one plant grow.

You are more then welcome to come get a clone in Michigan of the Black if you do not wanna waste your time.

 

[hic]

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Random BW pheno pics

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

First off Fuck YOU FUCK nuts..THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC FORUM>....ALL IDEAS ARE WELCOME HERE! 2nd....Enjoy a week long ban

Nothing I said has anything to do with a bad idea. I am relaying my exp. to him. Period. I never said Black widow was more stable than Critical Mass, I said BW is more stable than anything from rez. Lastly, YOU are a bad idea to say something like that to me....If you had a clue as to who the fuck I am, in regards to this site, perhaps you would seal your dicksuckers a tad bit tighter!

Keep what you think to yourself if all you are going to do is have bad ideas. I have grown MR.NICES gear plenty and CM is more stable then BW by a long shot dude. A bad advise giver indeed you are.

Benjammin - if what you say is true and you are only going to have 1 plant at a time it may take you a while to find the BLACK. Although you may get it the first time but I doubt it. Outta 14 seeds I sprouted I only found 1 BLACK. The seeds were sealed and was a very legit grow. Pay no attention to the one that is seeking attention BW is too unstable for a one plant grow.

You are more then welcome to come get a clone in Michigan of the Black if you do not wanna waste your time.

 

[hic]

First off Fuck YOU FUCK nuts..THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC FORUM>....ALL IDEAS ARE WELCOME HERE! 2nd....Enjoy a week long ban

Nothing I said has anything to do with a bad idea. I am relaying my exp. to him. Period. I never said Black widow was more stable than Critical Mass, I said BW is more stable than anything from rez. Lastly, YOU are a bad idea to say something like that to me....If you had a clue as to who the fuck I am, in regards to this site, perhaps you would seal your dicksuckers a tad bit tighter!

It does not matter to me who you are. You do not look like any picture of Jesus Christ that I have ever seen. I will let you apologize now if you wish.

 

[hic]

Mixedmelody - If you are a big wig at RIU go ahead and ban my ass forever because I would not have ever been a member had I known it was run by people like you.

You as being a God and all should have known that.

 

[hic]

Which is the best to look out for?


I think the smaller yeilding floral for scent and floral in taste is one of the desired most phenos. It is mine and many you have tried the BW phenos agree. Very energetic... gets ya doing shit..... clear headed but satisfying..... social sort of buzz... Again I smoke this after first cofee and I personally really dig it.

The floral BW is not the hardest hitting but is medicinal in its own right.... Has the ability to be such a good clean buzz that you do not even know you are high until you hear yourself try to talk. Shanti knew what he was doing, I only wish he would spend a little more time stabilizing her. " which he may have already done"?... One more note the floral widow is hard to build tolerance against... It is gold in its own unique way.

 

[Benjammin'29201]

I appreciate the clone offer but I'm pretty far away. Ha. I've already got the beans and just made a smaller 4 pot DWC to sprout multiple seeds to find a female to transplant into my powergrower. One plant at a time is enough to keeps the spirits up with plenty to spare. Lime and floral phenos for my depression sounds great! (much better than taking pills) I'll keep my nose open for the scents and appreciate all the input fellas. Yeah, i guess i'd be pretty stupid not to just go ahead and sprout out ANYTHING from Shanti right?

Oh yeah, and Hic... What is "the" BLACK? Is that the floral pheno you were talking about?

 

[hic]

Yes The Black is the real BW that shanti would even agree with. There are more then 2 or 3 phenos so be warned. Outta 7 females none were the same. " this is why she has been deemed un-stable" - Good luck my friend.