Uh OH.. COURT RULES! NO DISPENSARIES(DRUG HOUSE FRONTS)

r1tony said:
Nice.

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/...40006/Mich-court-bars-sale-medical-marijuana-
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So p2p is gone as well then..... Let's see how this gets enforced and who is going to use this a precedent for shutting down shops.

I doubt this will go with out any objections. How do people get access to their medicine if 1 they have to wait months for a first crop or 2 they cannot find a decent caregiver. I do believe that some dispensaries have pushed to hard and run around with a fuck the free world mentality just slowly pissing off enou people to cause dispensaries to be viewed as a "public nuisance". People need to realize they represent the whole community not just themselves in there little bubble.
 
That decision should be overturned as for many med. patients a dispensary, or patient to patient transfer, is the only way for them to receive their meds. Many will not have the ability, for whatever reason, to grow their own and this decision essentially cuts them out of their meds.
 
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2011/08/east_lansing_unlikely_to_be_af.html



"Wednesday's Court of Appeals ruling on medical marijuana dispensaries won't directly impact East Lansing, City Councilman Nathan Triplett told MLive.com, but only because the city has no commercial medical marijuana dispensaries.

The distinction is important, Triplett said, because the court's ruling targets the sale of medical marijuana – not the transfer of marijuana between patients or from a caregiver to a patient."
 
I'm not a CG, nor do I have one, but I imagine that it is quite expensive to supply your patients with their meds. Based on this article, a caregiver selling meds to their patients is illegal? How do they cover the cost of the operation so they can at least break even?


I guess instead of exchanging MMJ for money, you can give the MMJ to the patients for 'free' but charge them for the labor, and utility usage.
 
jamiesname said:
I'm not a CG, nor do I have one, but I imagine that it is quite expensive to supply your patients with their meds. Based on this article, a caregiver selling meds to their patients is illegal? How do they cover the cost of the operation so they can at least break even?


I guess instead of exchanging MMJ for money, you can give the MMJ to the patients for 'free' but charge them for the labor, and utility usage.
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Within the law there is a clarification on that caregivers are allowed to take compensation for costs that covers the normal cost for a patient.
 
jamiesname said:
I'm not a CG, nor do I have one, but I imagine that it is quite expensive to supply your patients with their meds. Based on this article, a caregiver selling meds to their patients is illegal? How do they cover the cost of the operation so they can at least break even?


I guess instead of exchanging MMJ for money, you can give the MMJ to the patients for 'free' but charge them for the labor, and utility usage.
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So you think buying at these "sketchy" dispensaries is cheaper then finding a decent caregiver? So you have a caregiver supplying your place of supply and they buy it mark it up to cover their costs. You would get it much cheaper and probably the better medicine if you got directly with a caregiver, as these mostly crooked places are in it for themselves not your needs or wants.
 
Caregivers can be just as sketch and shady and not into it for the wants and needs of patients as well. Just like a finding a caregiver you have to find a dispensary that isn't shady. The dispensary does a service they get compensated for providing the ability to allow caregivers to get rid of overages without selling outside of the med community. It's capitalism, if they didn't mark up anything there would be no money to pay the rent and keep the place open. Now it's either one of two extremes 1 there is no money no access for patients that can't find a decent caregiver that cares and no shops to go to. 2 meds get marked up just like they would through the black market but stays more regulated then transactions on the streets even if some of it does end up out there anyways while making lots of money. There is no middle ground between the two outcomes. Any hope for dispensaries is going to be a monumental change in mentality of the owners and policies of their shops. We need to self police and respect the ground we had that we are now losing because we couldn't keep our community accountable so legislature will make the community pay for the sins of the deprived.
 
ThatGuy113 said:
Caregivers can be just as sketch and shady....
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Dude.. No one is debating that I agree there are shady caregivers too and hell their might be a strictly legit and caring dispensary out there too.

I would bet that you would have a waaaay better chance to find a decent caregiver that will be cheaper and better quality then you would with a shady-pensary.

The most important part of going to a caregiver too is the chance to meet and maybe learn from him/her if they are so inclined (yea there are good people out there) and you can start supplying yourself or better yet help your caregiver with your ideas or thoughts on his medicine.

Its called a community and it's about getting it legal, helping people and caring. Sad 90% of it now is "how the #!@^*! much can I make" and not the other 10%, until it gets close to 50% each side it will never be legalized or even move forward. Idiots here can't see it... oh well.
 
I guess I've been lucky both dispensaries I have gone too were both very legitimate. One was opened by a family and they all work there on a daily basis and all have had 15 minute plus conversation with me about there view on the way the community is headed and they were very angry with abuses going on. The other one I went to a younger guy opened up and went through his city, went to board meetings made sure the community was okay with him and his business. The chief of police actually comes in a couple times a week to come in and check up on the store and make sure everything's been running smooth. They also knew exactly how each strain on there menu was grown and seemed to know those growers pretty decently. Maybe I just got lucky? But also I didn't want to walk into any shop that did not meet my expectations just based on the first look I take at the building itself. Both of those places were low key but have professional signs that don't mention marijuana in any form.
 
ThatGuy113 said:
I guess I've been lucky both dispensaries I have gone too were both very legitimate. One was opened by a family and they all work there on a daily basis and all have had 15 minute plus conversation with me about there view on the way the community is headed and they were very angry with abuses going on. The other one I went to a younger guy opened up and went through his city, went to board meetings made sure the community was okay with him and his business. The chief of police actually comes in a couple times a week to come in and check up on the store and make sure everything's been running smooth. They also knew exactly how each strain on there menu was grown and seemed to know those growers pretty decently. Maybe I just got lucky? But also I didn't want to walk into any shop that did not meet my expectations just based on the first look I take at the building itself. Both of those places were low key but have professional signs that don't mention marijuana in any form.
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Then if that's true and up and up then more power to them, keep the good fight. About the signs, would you want illegal activities advertised publicly, I mean underground advertising is more powerful why would they risk drawing attention to authorities. If you're that blind then we have many more issues you need to research up on.
 
Medical marijuana dispensaries are not only a “public nuisance,” they’re
illegal under the 2008 citizen-initiated law that doesn’t allow for the sale of
the drug, a three-judge panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals ruled.


In an opinion released this morning, the panel said a Mount Pleasant
dispensary, Compassionate Apothecary, could be shut down because it sells the
drug to members who are registered with the state to use or provide
marijuana.


Specifically, the “medical use of marijuana, as defined by the Michigan
Medical Marijuana Act, does not include patient-to-patient sales of marijuana,
and no other provision of the MMMA can be read to permit such sales,” the court
ruled. “Therefore, defendants have no authority to actively engage in and carry
out the selling of marijuana between (apothecary) members.


Through the group, “defendants actively participate in the 'sale' of
marijuana between CA members, but the 'medical use' of marijuana does not
include the sale of marijuana.”


Attorney General Bill Schuette and lawmakers this month vowed to rewrite the
voter-approved law to clarify that physicians who authorize the use of the drug
have a “bona fide” relationship with the patient.


Now, dispensaries are advertising the availability of online certification.
Lawmakers are also seeking to give local authorities greater zoning authority to
restrict stores that have cropped up across the state.


By enjoining the Mount Pleasant store from further operations, the ruling
would appear to give prosecutors and law enforcement the authority to shut them
down. The decision is expected to be appealed to the Michigan Supreme Court,
which has a solid conservative majority.


Believing the law is purposefully vague, local officials have been frustrated
by their inability to close down or regulate what Schuette calls "pot shops."
Some cities have approved moratoriums while in others, like Lansing,
dispensaries have flourished. Just blocks east of the Capitol, there are more
than a dozen in operation.


The appeals panel, Judges Joel Hoekstra, Christopher Murray and Cynthia Diane
Stephens, said an Isabella County trial judge erred in an earlier ruling by
saying that the dispensary operators do not “possess” the marijuana, but merely
facilitate its storage in lockers rented by members.


The law allows a “caregiver” to grow up to 72 plants for himself and five
other patients. The court ruled dispensary operators indeed have possession of
the drug and in amounts far in excess of what the law allows.


Moreover, the court ruled, “the evidence established that in the first two
and half months of operating (the dispensary), defendants sold 19 pounds” of
marijuana to members.


One legislative proposal would restrict caregiver compensation for costs to
their own registered patients and prohibit patients from obtaining legal
marijuana from anyone but their caregiver. Patient-to-patient transfer of the
drug would be illegal. Card holders would no longer be presumed to have obtained
marijuana in their possession legally. Most changes to the law would require a
three-fourths vote since it was crafted and approved through citizen
initiative.


Cannabis United, a lobbying group of physicians and lawyers - but not
dispensaries - says lack of access under the letter of the law approved by
voters “forces” patients to dispensaries and “illegal access” when their one
caregiver isn’t able to supply it. They’d support allowing caregivers to provide
the drug to more patients and allow patients to obtain it from two caregivers
instead of one.
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From Mlive, i'd love to jump in this argument but i'm a bit busy.. Just throwin some info for others to read
 
hightechnate said:
From Mlive, i'd love to jump in this argument but i'm a bit busy.. Just throwin some info for others to read
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So basically a dispensary can collaborate with card holders open up its shop (supply), supply all card holders (dealers) that can deal for the dispensary 1/4s and 1/8s to their friends all legally but then illegally or something to that effect eh?!? LOL.
 
this requires immediate action-

what to do?

we, the people, could stop these asshats in one fell swoop.
but we won't. write the judge a letter. and your congress person.
 
So, now any new patient that wants to sign theirself up as their own caregiver is fucked because they can't legally buy clones from anyone. Same for a new caregiver.

We just got fucked in the ass by those 3 judges. Vote them out!

Hopefully the Supreme Court has more brains then these 3 motherfuckers.
 
r1tony said:
Then if that's true and up and up then more power to them, keep the good fight. About the signs, would you want illegal activities advertised publicly, I mean underground advertising is more powerful why would they risk drawing attention to authorities. If you're that blind then we have many more issues you need to research up on.
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I felt that there signs were professional and if you didn't know the name of the place you'd have no idea what they do when you see the sign for it. Like just a plain name nothing about herb or compassion clubs just a name. Also the flaunting of pot leaves in windows and on signs that can be seen from the street shouldn't be around. People should have the choice of what they are dealing with and seeing on a daily basis and if we can keep it out of the face of the people who dislike it then we can keep our community thriving.
 
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