Let 'em die! Woooooo! Yeah!
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dukeanthony
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Myth: Mexican "illegals" pay no taxes, contribute nothing to our society or our economy, then rape our social services systems for free, unearned benefits.
The southwest and California were built in large part by undocumented Mexican immigrants. There was a time when Mexican migrant workers passed freely over the border each season to labor in the Southwest. In that time, Mexicans were an important and welcomed source of cheap labor. At the end of the season, the laborers would return to Mexico. The border was always open for their return, so they had no particular reason to remain in "Alte" California ("Upper" California, as the state was called before the U.S. stole it from Mexico).
Throughout the California Gold Rush, which commenced just months after the U.S. took over California from Mexico, Mexican mule trains were crucial in distributing supplies to mining camps and towns throughout California's Sierra Nevada mountains. (Incidentally, although the U.S. gave $15 million to Mexico at the close of the Mexican war as a token for the takeover by the U.S. of California, New Mexico and other Mexican provinces, the California Gold Strike produced hundreds of millions of dollars for America, which was equal in value to billions of today's dollars).
Today, Mexican workers pay sales taxes and work for substandard wages at the shittiest jobs in the state. Paying illegal workers below minimum wage is very common and results in higher profits for the illegal employer, and therefore higher taxes paid by the employer. End result: worker gets much lower pay (essentially payroll withholding) which results more taxes being paid into the U.S. and State treasuries (due to higher profits for the illegal employers). Many illegal employers know their Mexican laborers are illegal, but nonetheless withhold payroll taxes from their paychecks, and rather than pay those taxes to the government, simply pocket them. Quite often the employer will not realize that the Mexican is illegal, and so will go ahead and withhold payroll taxes and pay them to the government. Since illegal Mexican workers live in fear of deportation, they rarely seek social services or file for income tax returns for fear of being discovered and deported (the only exceptions are emergency medical care and primary education, the two things too urgent to forgo. It's no coincidence that California recently passed a law requiring medical care providers and schools to deny services to illegal immigrants - those are the only two social services they use (in spite of the contributions they make to the economy), because those 2 are the only ones they're willing to risk deportation to use. Justice prevailed - a federal court declared the law unconstitutional).
The southwest and California were built in large part by undocumented Mexican immigrants. There was a time when Mexican migrant workers passed freely over the border each season to labor in the Southwest. In that time, Mexicans were an important and welcomed source of cheap labor. At the end of the season, the laborers would return to Mexico. The border was always open for their return, so they had no particular reason to remain in "Alte" California ("Upper" California, as the state was called before the U.S. stole it from Mexico).
Throughout the California Gold Rush, which commenced just months after the U.S. took over California from Mexico, Mexican mule trains were crucial in distributing supplies to mining camps and towns throughout California's Sierra Nevada mountains. (Incidentally, although the U.S. gave $15 million to Mexico at the close of the Mexican war as a token for the takeover by the U.S. of California, New Mexico and other Mexican provinces, the California Gold Strike produced hundreds of millions of dollars for America, which was equal in value to billions of today's dollars).
Today, Mexican workers pay sales taxes and work for substandard wages at the shittiest jobs in the state. Paying illegal workers below minimum wage is very common and results in higher profits for the illegal employer, and therefore higher taxes paid by the employer. End result: worker gets much lower pay (essentially payroll withholding) which results more taxes being paid into the U.S. and State treasuries (due to higher profits for the illegal employers). Many illegal employers know their Mexican laborers are illegal, but nonetheless withhold payroll taxes from their paychecks, and rather than pay those taxes to the government, simply pocket them. Quite often the employer will not realize that the Mexican is illegal, and so will go ahead and withhold payroll taxes and pay them to the government. Since illegal Mexican workers live in fear of deportation, they rarely seek social services or file for income tax returns for fear of being discovered and deported (the only exceptions are emergency medical care and primary education, the two things too urgent to forgo. It's no coincidence that California recently passed a law requiring medical care providers and schools to deny services to illegal immigrants - those are the only two social services they use (in spite of the contributions they make to the economy), because those 2 are the only ones they're willing to risk deportation to use. Justice prevailed - a federal court declared the law unconstitutional).
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i would agree, but if SLPC is not 'credible', as munch claims, then their claim that NBPP is a hate group falls apart.
same goes for other groups they condemn, like neo nazis and whatnot.
basically, it's a trap.
Your #s are different than mine. Its more like over 11 billion was spent to provide education, health care, welfare, and safety in other states. Those stats are from Texas a conservative state. If you are saying the federal government should run itself like Perry runs Texas, then how about we just elect him in the white house instead? Not that hes my first choice, but he would be better than what we have now..
dukeanthony
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In response to a research inquiry for a book I am writing on the economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
AND THEY CAN NEVER COLLECT A DIME!!!!!!!!!!
AND THEY CAN NEVER COLLECT A DIME!!!!!!!!!!
dukeanthony
New Member
Oh I am sure your numbers are different
And I can say that your numbers came from one of these three groups
-Fair
-CIS
-NumbersUSA
Which is all run by the same guy
Your numbers are as credible as a study on the intelligence of blacks by the KKK institute for truth
so simple-minded. Not all things they say are credible. I have proof they get caught in lies all the time. They hate the truth maybe. I guess you could say that. They feed off racism.
dukeanthony
New Member
They dont feed off it
They just point it out
Does that make you uncomfortable? it should
budlover13
King Tut
Growing up and living in central cali i can say that racism is alive and well on both sides of the debate.
dukeanthony
New Member
It pisses me off when I see Mexicans waving around the Mexican Flag also
But I aint gonna make up a whole bunch of bullshit about them
I've worked with a lot of illegals in my trade
And they are good people
They make up shit and create an atmosphere of hatred and resentment. It makes everybody uncomfortable. They are nothing but hate mongerers starving for attention and publicity.
UncleBuck
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want to talk about the people in high positions at FAIR and some of their associations and writings in the past? they are pretty damning.
FAIR was founded in 1979 by a racist John Tanton. But you know there are a lot of groups who change thier views gradually over the course of 30 years. Like the democrats. I know they have hung black people from trees in the past, but they saw the error in thier ways. Now they have finally stopped hanging black people.
dukeanthony
New Member
Uhhh no John Tanton is still a racist
And Democrats didnt change their Minds
They just became Republicans with the exception of Byrd who stayed a Democrat and apologised for his past
(still think he was a closeted racist, Like Ron Paul)
budlover13
King Tut
Oh goodness! Here we go lol.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
you forgot to mention that they all switched to (R) after the GOP catered to bigoted and racial tensions in what was known as the southern strategy.
care to talk about their current higher ups as well as some others that have been influential in the group over time?
UncleBuck
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let's see if they can keep it civil.
duke, that means backing up your claim any time you call someone a racist or a bigot. and by backing up, i don't simply mean pointing out that they used the term "illegal".
Its kind of hard to kick the founder off the board of directors. He is not a role player within the organization anymore to my knowledge, but I'm not sure. What has FAIR come out with within lets say the past 10 years thats racist? Because I know its the angle we are going with here.
dukeanthony
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Every single stat that they make up is racist
If they presented facts or didnt distort numbers
Then they wouldnt be racist
But they do and they are.
. How do you explain that they come up with a lot of the same #s as other people? Are they all racist too?