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billcollector99
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Hey all, was just wondering if anyone here has tried this:
The Definitive Green Dragon (Cannabis Tincture)
Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.
This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
Process Summary:
1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.
3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)
4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F – 165°F.
5. Strain the mixture and store.
Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).
Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.
2. Bake the cannabis.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.
Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.
3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.
4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).
The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.
Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” wide x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.
Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 165°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.
You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.
5. Strain, titrate, and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.
Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).
The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.
6. Dosage.
Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.
I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.
Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.
Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.
This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).
The Definitive Green Dragon (Cannabis Tincture)
Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.
This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
Process Summary:
1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.
3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)
4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F – 165°F.
5. Strain the mixture and store.
Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).
Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis—more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.
2. Bake the cannabis.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.
Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.
3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.
4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).
The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.
Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” wide x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.
Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 165°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.
You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.
5. Strain, titrate, and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.
Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).
The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.
6. Dosage.
Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.
I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.
Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.
Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.
This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).
billcollector99
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are the buckets able to sit directly on the ground?
Dezracer
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I tried to make that a while back but had different directions and it didn't turn out very well. Not nearly as strong as it should've been and wasn't very dark.
I have had the good green dragon at poker night once before though and that shite was strong as fekk! It was given to a buddy of mine from a club and head shop owner along with some other goodies so he busted it out while we were playing poker. We all took a bit from the dropper and kept playing poker, smoking and drinking. Sometime later I was caught zoning out and drooling, LOL. I don't remember a whole lot of the evening after that but have some seen some killer pics that we all took of each other I guess. I woke up to my wife calling my cell phone wondering if I had been arrested or something and I was sleeping on his garage floor. I wasn't the only one that was affected like that though and I was told that we ended up passing the dropper around time after time. That's most likey why we got so effed.
I was still high at lunch time the next day BTW.
I have had the good green dragon at poker night once before though and that shite was strong as fekk! It was given to a buddy of mine from a club and head shop owner along with some other goodies so he busted it out while we were playing poker. We all took a bit from the dropper and kept playing poker, smoking and drinking. Sometime later I was caught zoning out and drooling, LOL. I don't remember a whole lot of the evening after that but have some seen some killer pics that we all took of each other I guess. I woke up to my wife calling my cell phone wondering if I had been arrested or something and I was sleeping on his garage floor. I wasn't the only one that was affected like that though and I was told that we ended up passing the dropper around time after time. That's most likey why we got so effed.
I was still high at lunch time the next day BTW.
curious old fart
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billcollector
You'll find a lot of information on alcohol and mj in this thread about a year ago (February '11). We were using 190 proof everclear and it started out as green dragon and ended up as oil (erl).
cof
You'll find a lot of information on alcohol and mj in this thread about a year ago (February '11). We were using 190 proof everclear and it started out as green dragon and ended up as oil (erl).
cof
billcollector99
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Just made some tonight
wanna come over, play some poker and try some Green Dragon with me? lol I got some chemband to further entice you if that doesnt do the trick
billcollector99
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That last pic just looks frightening!! How do you administer at that point?billcollector
You'll find a lot of information on alcohol and mj in this thread about a year ago (February '11). We were using 190 proof everclear and it started out as green dragon and ended up as oil (erl).
cof
billcollector99
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Here is my attempt
Finshaggy
Well-Known Member
Get a quarter, scrape it up, put it on a bowl, and cough your lungs out.
Finshaggy
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When I was younger the only way I knew how to make hash was with solvents, so using Acetone my shit always turned out like that. I wish I had thought of what you've done, or realized the simplicity of bubble bags.Here is my attempt
billcollector99
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I just dosed myself with 1 mil. we shall see how I feel in an hour.
curious old fart
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I usually smear some on some ground up bud and smoke it in a bowl. DST smears some on a paper and then fills it with some of his quality products...there's pics in here somewhere.
cof
billcollector99
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Ok i get itI usually smear some on some ground up bud and smoke it in a bowl. DST smears some on a paper and then fills it with some of his quality products...there's pics in here somewhere.
cof
I just wasnt sure if you smoked it like iso or bho.
DST
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I also carry around apaperclip with me as well. Use one end of the paperclip, scrape some oil up, hold it over your bowl and smoke away...(if a joint is not your thing).
Morning everyone, I just had a real nice pleasant postman turn up and hand me a little present, and what a nice smelling present it is
Bill, the chemband looks a treat my bru. I think I'll take down one of my outdoors at the end of the week. Then a week or so the others....can't wait.
Okay, off to read the rest of the 600, will brb.
DST
Morning everyone, I just had a real nice pleasant postman turn up and hand me a little present, and what a nice smelling present it is
Bill, the chemband looks a treat my bru. I think I'll take down one of my outdoors at the end of the week. Then a week or so the others....can't wait.
Okay, off to read the rest of the 600, will brb.
DST
DoobieBrother
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Morning, D 
Just popping in for a bit before I get some sleep.
Had a very trying day in another thread, and haven't felt right about being my usual jovial self here in the Sanctum Sanctorum.
Some memories still make me feel dirty, and I started to vent more than I should have.
Tomorrow will be better...
Peace
When I despair:
"Do not go gentle into that good night"
by Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Just popping in for a bit before I get some sleep.
Had a very trying day in another thread, and haven't felt right about being my usual jovial self here in the Sanctum Sanctorum.
Some memories still make me feel dirty, and I started to vent more than I should have.
Tomorrow will be better...
Peace
When I despair:
"Do not go gentle into that good night"
by Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
DoobieBrother
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Sitting here plunking on my bass idly, and I find myself playing in all minor keys.
Reminded me of this and made me laugh:
[Nigel is playing a soft piece on the piano]
Marty DiBergi: It's very pretty.
Nigel Tufnel: Yeah, I've been fooling around with it for a few months.
Marty DiBergi: It's a bit of a departure from what you normally play.
Nigel Tufnel: It's part of a trilogy, a musical trilogy I'm working on in D minor which is the saddest of all keys, I find. People weep instantly when they hear it, and I don't know why.
Marty DiBergi: It's very nice.
Nigel Tufnel: You know, just simple lines intertwining, you know, very much like - I'm really influenced by Mozart and Bach, and it's sort of in between those, really. It's like a Mach piece, really. It's sort of...
Marty DiBergi: What do you call this?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, this piece is called "Lick My Love Pump".
Reminded me of this and made me laugh:
[Nigel is playing a soft piece on the piano]
Marty DiBergi: It's very pretty.
Nigel Tufnel: Yeah, I've been fooling around with it for a few months.
Marty DiBergi: It's a bit of a departure from what you normally play.
Nigel Tufnel: It's part of a trilogy, a musical trilogy I'm working on in D minor which is the saddest of all keys, I find. People weep instantly when they hear it, and I don't know why.
Marty DiBergi: It's very nice.
Nigel Tufnel: You know, just simple lines intertwining, you know, very much like - I'm really influenced by Mozart and Bach, and it's sort of in between those, really. It's like a Mach piece, really. It's sort of...
Marty DiBergi: What do you call this?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, this piece is called "Lick My Love Pump".
Heads Up
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Good morning six hundred. I've had my last sour cream in a soil less mix for about a week, nothing. I took it out of the soil last night and put it between some moist paper towels, we'll see what happens. I put a shackzilla in between towels a few days after the sour cream didn't pop. It finally started to pop a tap root and is now sitting in the soil less mix and hopefully in a few days it will pop its head out to look at the world. Yesterday I put an og18 and another critical+kali mist between paper towels. My next grow if everything comes up will be three colombian gold clones and the above mentioned beans.
DST
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Sounding good HeadsUp. Nice little mix up you got there. Well I got all my invoicing out the way and work emails so I may just take it easy this afternoon. I got some potting up to do really, and I keep looking inside my mind at plans for a new veg area in my stinky room. Still pondering on that.....it takes a while to figure things out when all you got is "fuk all squared" to work with!
