Re - using your soil ............

Gastanker

Well-Known Member
looking into the gran scheme of things Rain exceeds the rate of evaporation, this means that in freely drained areas , soil base materials is washed away which leads to higher concentrations of organic acids in the ground so in general soil is quite acidic and large areas of farmers land needs alkillines ( traditionaly lime to remain fertile ) nitrates are also soulable and soil has no power to hold them so rain rapidly carries them away acid rain woo hoo increases soil acidity but even normal rains tend to be acidic

now were talking about indoor growin MJ where you add massive amounts of nutrients to your soil from veg to flower to get massive yields or least best that you can ????

to me it dont matter clonex you say i am out numbers really dont matter please do reuse your soil to me it dont matter in the real world of things do i go thru 140 cubic yards of soil yup i do do i sterilize my soil yup i bake it do i have massive big yields yup i do so who cares do it man all the power to you
Aside from your blurb about soil acidification being incorrect, this makes me weep. You throw out 140 yard of soil per grow? You obviously have the space to compost, what prevents you? You realize this is how they made the soil you purchased right?

Help the planet and your pocket and learn to reuse your soil.
 

DrFever

New Member
Visual symptoms can be used to identify these problems, but ultimately a soil test is the best way for an accurate diagnosis. When salinity is suspected from a high water table, you may be able to measure ground water depth by boring holes with an auger. If free water collects in holes less than 4 to 5 feet deep, a drainage problem is indicated.

Salt impacted field.


Normally, high pH or basic soil doesn’t look different than soil with neutral pH, although sometimes the soil may have a powdery substance on the surface. Plants growing in these soils sometimes give clues about the problem. High pH reduces the availability of some nutrients (zinc, iron, phosphorus). Signs of high soil pH include yellow stripes on middle to upper leaves (signs of zinc and iron deficiency); or dark green or purple coloring of the lower leaves and stems (signs of phosphorus deficiency). Looking for symptoms is useful when growing high pH sensitive plants such as dry beans, sorghum, or silver maples. Corn and wheat are moderately susceptible to high pH and may also suffer from nutrient deficiencies on these soils.

Plants growing in saline soils may appear water stressed. This is because the high salt content of the soil hampers the ability of plants to take up water from the soil. Water naturally moves from areas of low salt content to high salt content. Sometimes a white crust is visible on a saline soil surface. Plants that are sprinkler irrigated with saline water often show symptoms of leaf burn, particularly on young foliage.

If a soil is sodic, a brownish-black crust sometimes forms on the surface due to dispersion of soil organic matter. Dispersion of soil particles also results in crusting and impaired drainage. Often you will first notice reduced seedling emergence and viability. By the time darkened crusts are visible on the soil surface, the problem is severe and plant growth and soil quality is significantly impacted. Laboratory analysis of soil is the best way to diagnose these problems before plant growth is severely damaged.
Laboratory Diagnosis

Soil testing labs typically evaluate pH and EC (electrical conductivity) as part of a routine analysis. If the pH is high (>8.5), sodium adsorption ratio (SAR) should also be calculated. See Table 1 to evaluate the lab results.
Table 1. Classification of salt-affected soils.Classification
Electrical conductivity (dS/m)1
Soil pH
Sodium adsorption ratio (SAR)2
Soil physical condition
Saline
>4.0
<8.5
<13
normal​
Sodic
<4.0
>8.5
&#8805;13
poor​
Saline-Sodic
>4.0
<8.5
&#8805;13
normal​
High pH
<4.0
>7.8
<13
varies​
1dS/m = mmho/cm
2If reported as exchangeable sodium percentage (ESP) use 15% as threshold value.

If you suspect salinity or sodicity problems, collect a soil sample from the top 6 to 12 inches of soil, concentrating on the areas that appear most impacted. High pH, salt or sodium levels are rarely uniformly distributed across fields. Areas of the field suspected of these problems should be mapped and sampled separately to fully understand the severity of the problem. Be sure to tell the laboratory that you suspect a problem and ask that they analyze for SAR or ESP and perform a gypsum test, if necessary.

If you are irrigating the site in question, collect a water sample for analysis as well. High levels of salts and sodium may come from irrigation, a high water table, manure or fertilizer inputs, or from the soil parent material. To effectively manage the problem, you need to know the source of the salts. Although 4.0 dS/m is used as a threshold EC to define saline soils, some sensitive crops will show symptoms and reduced yields at lower ECs.
What Can be Done After Diagnosis?

There are several management options available once the extent of the problem and its source are properly identified. See Colorado State University Extension fact sheets 0.503, Managing Saline Soils; 0.504, Managing Sodic Soils; 0.506, Irrigation Water Quality; and 0.520, Selecting an Analytical Lab for more information.
Table 2. Diagnosing high pH, salinity or sodicity problems.ProblemPotential symptomsHigh pHNutrient deficiencies manifesting as: stunted, yellow plants. Dark green to purplish plants.Saline soilWhite crust on soil surface. Water stressed plants. Leaf tip burn.Saline irrigation waterLeaf burn. Poor growth. Moisture stress.Sodic soilPoor drainage. Black powdery residue on soil surface.Saline-sodic soilGenerally, same symptoms as saline soil.
 

DrFever

New Member
hahha gas tanker save the planet you seem like one of them granola bars specially coming from cali huh hows the smog these days there :)) i bet acid rain is bad there and to stand corrected i have re used my soil with utter failure i can grow 1160 dry grams per 1000 watt with my eyes closed when you make 1/4 of that re using same soil is it worth it ???
 

Gastanker

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Dude, posting random blurbs about outdoors saline soils has nothing to do with reusing indoor potting soil. I study soils - your indoor crop isn't suffering from a high saline water table.


hahha gas tanker save the planet you seem like one of them granola bars specially coming from cali huh hows the smog these days there :)) i bet acid rain is bad there and to stand corrected i have re used my soil with utter failure i can grow 1160 dry grams per 1000 watt with my eyes closed when you make 1/4 of that re using same soil is it worth it ???

It's worth learning how to reuse your soil properly. You obviously did something wrong, people make mistakes when it comes to soil chemistry - no big deal. Find a local soil producer and go pick their brain. Most are very friendly.
 

Clonex

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Dr fever , im talking about re using 5 gallon pot soil and perlite , i dont have any fields , i think you are confusing yourself a little , i just wanna roll back a few pennies , electric charges are ever rising , i dont really see by good flushing , adding back the nutes , like gastanker said its all Organic , whats the problem ??
 

spandy

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Oh I'm sorry but your copied and pasted info doesn't change the fact that I've been using the same fucking dirt for over a year now, and my yields have stayed the same for 5 grows now.

Just because you fucked up and got shitty results doesn't mean that it doesn't work, just means you are doing it wrong.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
something's just not adding up for me here:

you get new soil.
you use the new soil.
you grow plants with balanced nutrition that harvest as happy, healthy flowers.
your SOIL, (what you have left after your roots "use it up",) ends up with salinity issues, but the FLOWERS you just harvested out of it, somehow don't.

.... ?
 

DrFever

New Member
hey gas tanker your so right dude could you be one of them closet CFl growers re useing your soil post some pics of you big girls hers mine under 1300 ppm of co2 90 plants 8000 watts
Thats 1 million 400,000 lumens i could add another 5000 watts but im ok from a 3" clone to 55+ inches in 23 days Veg yea dude 23 days not bad huh on day 24 of flower 57 " plus wait i know you prob mad cause i am wrecking the air but hey do you car shuttle to work oh i forgot you dont work right prob another welfarew cali person hers its easy to get welfare in cali no wonder there chapter 9
 

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Gastanker

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hey gas tanker your so right dude could you be one of them closet CFl growers re useing your soil post some pics of you big girls hers mine under 1300 ppm of co2 90 plants 8000 watts
Thats 1 million 400,000 lumens i could add another 5000 watts but im ok from a 3" clone to 55+ inches in 23 days Veg yea dude 23 days not bad huh on day 24 of flower 57 " plus wait i know you prob mad cause i am wrecking the air but hey do you car shuttle to work oh i forgot you dont work right prob another welfarew cali person hers its easy to get welfare in cali no wonder there chapter 9
Pro personal attacks. I said before - I study soils, that's my profession. You use 140 yards of soil under 5kW? Interesting...

Here's a random mix of just a few grows - but what does this have to do with science?






 

DrFever

New Member
something's just not adding up for me here:

you get new soil.
you use the new soil.
you grow plants with balanced nutrition that harvest as happy, healthy flowers.
your SOIL ends up with salinity issues, but the FLOWERS you just harvested out of it, somehow don't.

.... ?
mellow kitty most growers will hammer there plants i my self push the limit @ 3" clone i am already giving them 800 ppm you got to realize something here only since 911 has Mj started growing in the goo ole usa most pot was and still is brought over to use via Mexico 50 tons a week and Canada but since 911 borders have tightened and today most of the pot in usa is from mexico
so really canada europe has grown pot prob alot more then usa Ever which leads me to believe the top notch growers are from holland amsterdam , canada etc
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
mellow kitty most growers will hammer there plants i my self push the limit @ 3" clone i am already giving them 800 ppm you got to realize something here only since 911 has Mj started growing in the goo ole usa most pot was and still is brought over to use via Mexico 50 tons a week and Canada but since 911 borders have tightened and today most of the pot in usa is from mexico
so really canada europe has grown pot prob alot more then usa Ever which leads me to believe the top notch growers are from holland amsterdam , canada etc
???????

what the FUCK does any of that have anything to do with re-using one's soil/soilless??

-- sincerely, a canadian grower.

:lol:
 

Gastanker

Well-Known Member
???????

what the FUCK does any of that have anything to do with re-using one's soil/soilless??

-- sincerely, a canadian grower.

:lol:
I can't believe hes a moderator. He's been spamming this thread with useless copy pasted info and his opinions. None of which are helpful or relevant (or correct).
 

DrFever

New Member
I can't believe hes a moderator. He's been spamming this thread with useless copy pasted info and his opinions. None of which are helpful or relevant (or correct).

i am not spamming it was mentioned about re useing soil and i suggested not a good idea meaning with the salt build ups in indoor growing its pretty simple not worth re useing
 

Clonex

Well-Known Member
He does this alot , ive noticed on the hid vrs LEd thread he just likes people to see his pictures i get it now , showing off is the game ....why dont you just start a journal Drfever ?
 

Gastanker

Well-Known Member
He does this alot , ive noticed on the hid vrs LEd thread he just likes people to see his pictures i get it now , showing off is the game ....why dont you just start a journal Drfever ?
He created a thread on how toxic molasses is. Oh jeez...
 

DrFever

New Member
when i post on a thread cause i have knowledge i mentioned on one of my first posts that i did it this summer reason just didnt matter so i re used my soil adding like 5 pots to new bag and i noticed considerable losses in yields then it got thrown into farmers and most farmers will section there land off and every year they change spots this was learned from europe am i lieing ??????
 

DrFever

New Member
as well clonex when your talking
LED Vs Hid hid will smoke it thats a given so yes i will post as i grow in hid and have knowledge as well i also posted that i would challenge any L:ED grower if he dare challenge me in a LED Vs Hid grow
 
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