List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

[blazinkill504]

i want evidence that humans did it on their own and we dont have that. therefore you cant say that humans did it for sure just like i cant say aliens did the shit for sure.

 

[Heisenberg]

i want evidence that humans did it on their own and we dont have that. therefore you cant say that humans did it for sure just like i cant say aliens did the shit for sure.

So, after all we have said, the two explanations are on equal grounds in your mind? One is just as likely as the other? You suppose we have no rationale for saying humans did it alone? The people saying aliens are just as justified as those saying humans? This is starting to sound like creationism when it criticizes evolution. IOW, it is done out of ignorance of what the data says.

We have no valid reason to suspect they did not do it alone. Maybe leprechauns helped. Maybe angels lent their strength. Perhaps Godzilla helped place the large stones and fused them together with his fire breath. If we are going to ignore self-evident data and give weight to groundless speculation, then we must consider all of these.

 

[mindphuk]

i want evidence that humans did it on their own and we dont have that. therefore you cant say that humans did it for sure just like i cant say aliens did the shit for sure.

I think the tool marks on the stones are pretty good evidence. Of course they could have been placed there by aliens to fool us...

 

[Beefbisquit]

The pyramids are piles of rock.

 

[cannabineer]

the pyramids are piles of rock.

e-i-e-i-o!

 

[Hepheastus420]

And on that farm he had a dog....

 

[blazinkill504]

yall must have a lot more faith in our ancestors than i do then. i dont see much data to support that they did it alone. no kinda plans and ones that have stories of how they were built the very ppl you have soo much faith in said they had help. you're reachin with the godzilla shit you're takin somethin that couldnt possibly work at all and are tryin to make a point with it.

and what tool marks on puma punku do you see? and yea the pyramids are just piles of rocks....with some pretty nice granite work in them too...granite is split by sawin them with diamond tipped saws. ancient egyptians had diamond tipped saws now?

 

[cannabineer]

Granite is split hydraulically and with explosives nowadays. It is finished with diamond tooling. We use diamond because it's best for the job. People tooled and finished granite and lesser stones for a long time before, using less efficient but still "workable" methods. Consider how diamonds are cut, or were cut before lasers came into their own. A rotaing bronze disc impregnated with oil and diamond dust - two soft materials and one only as hard as the workpiece - did the job.
The hardest component in granite is quartz, the basic component of desert sand. A grease-and-sand-impregnated rope will cut a surprisingly neat groove or slot into granite, if you supply enough labor, and enough rope.
cn

 

[spandy]

I think they were just as complex thinkers as we are today, just we have running water and some other stuff that they didn't.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I think they were just as complex thinkers as we are today, just we have running water and some other stuff that they didn't.

Like television, vehicles, stoves, microwaves, lightbulbs, and a couple other things.... .

 

[MJstudent]

Have you ever looked at Greek or Roman architecture with the same wonder? The Roman Pantheon with its domed ceiling made entirely of concrete is incredible and would likely be mysterious if we didn't have some clues to how they did it. It was built at a time when most of the world was living in mud huts.

but it was also built 3 thousand years after, and its still not as stable, or intricate

 

[Beefbisquit]

I used to be a granite installer and fabricator.

The kind of diamonds they use in saws are man made, and don't have a gemological value like the kind of diamonds in rings, bracelets etc. I'm pretty sure we've been tooling almost every type of stone imaginable before we had man-made diamond saws and TNT. It just took longer to do the same things, and people spent a lot longer on, and worked harder at what they did.

You don't think a million or so people could drag some big rocks and stack them into a neat pile over a few hundred years?

 

[Hepheastus420]

I used to be a granite installer and fabricator.

The kind of diamonds they use in saws are man made, and don't have a gemological value like the kind of diamonds in rings, bracelets etc. I'm pretty sure we've been tooling almost every type of stone imaginable before we had man-made diamond saws and TNT. It just took longer to do the same things, and people spent a lot longer on, and worked harder at what they did.

You don't think a million or so people could drag some big rocks and stack them into a neat pile over a few hundred years?

Not to be a dick, but do you have any mathematical equations that shows it's possible for a reasonable amount of people (a million people at once isn't reasonable, or is it?) to stack piles of rocks into such a neat pile?

Again, I'm not trying to sound mean, I'm just curious .

 

[Beefbisquit]

Not to be a dick, but do you have any mathematical equations that shows it's possible for a reasonable amount of people (a million people at once isn't reasonable, or is it?) to stack piles of rocks into such a neat pile?

Again, I'm not trying to sound mean, I'm just curious .

I can show you a video of a single man moving several tons using only wood... you could also just roll the stones on logs... there's a reason the vast, vast majority of scientists who study that time period agree that humans made them.

It wouldn't take one million people pulling on one stone to move it, not to mention the horses or camels or oxen they could use, etc. etc...

Imagine 1000 people polishing and carving designs into stone for 200 years.... lol

 

[MJstudent]

I can show you a video of a single man moving several tons using only wood...

well then show it.......id like to see

 

[Beefbisquit]

[video=youtube;pCvx5gSnfW4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4[/video]

 

[mindphuk]

but it was also built 3 thousand years after, and its still not as stable, or intricate

Built 3 thousand years after what? That post was in reference to Pumapunku which was built 4-500 years after the Pantheon.

 

[mindphuk]

"The Twelfth Dynasty tomb of Djehutihotep has an illustration of 172 men pulling an alabaster statue of him on a sledge. The statue is estimated to weigh 60 tons and Denys Stocks estimated that 45 workers would be required to start moving a 16,300 kg lubricated block, or eight workers to move a 2,750 kg block."

So there is evidence that the Egyptians used manual labor to move heavy stones.

"Monolithic, smooth sided pyramids did not just suddenly appear in Egypt. There was an evolutionary period, leading to the great pyramids of Giza that began with simple mastaba tombs, expanded into step pyramids, which led to experimentation, some of which failed miserably, and culminating with the perfected structure. In addition, the decorative themes associated with pyramids also evolved over time.

We not only find the Egyptian's ancient stone cutting and other tools within the ruins of pyramids, we also find some of the ramps that they used, and evidence of other construction methods. These are contemporary tools, and construction methods that would have fit the times. "​

This doesn't sound like the instructions were from a higher intelligence, it supports the idea that over many centuries, pyramid builders got progressively better.

"Djoser's complex at Saqqara was most likely designed by the famous architect and priest, Imhotep, and was not only the first pyramid that we know of, but also the first great monumental stone structure that we know of in, or outside of Egypt.. However, like the pyramids in the Americas, it was not a true pyramid, lacking an outer, smooth casing. After Djoser, there was considerable experimentation directed towards building a true pyramid, evidenced by those such as the Bent Pyramid at Dahshure, as well as other greater failures, such as Snofru's pyramid at Meidum, which was the first to be planned as a true pyramid. At first, their attempts to build a true pyramid were foiled by designs with the sides of the pyramid at too steep a slope. However, by the time Snofru built his other pyramid at Dahshure, the Red Pyramid, they had worked this out, for it is the first of the successful, true pyramids.

The culmination of the grand, most monumental true pyramids came in the 4th Dynasty with the builders at Giza, though the Red Pyramid is indeed a colossus structure. However, for all our awestruck wonder at the great pyramids at Giza, this was certainly not the culmination or even the apex of pyramid building. Only in the 5th Dynasty do we see the form of the pyramid complex grow into maturity."​

All of the evidence points to human ingenuity with trial and error. There is no way to rule out the help of extraterrestrials but Occam's Razor cuts deep.

 

[olylifter420]

I dont side with the psuedoscience, how is it that rhey were able tomove these nassive stones the distances they did and how would they make ropes long enough for millions of people?

 

[cannabineer]

I dont side with the psuedoscience, how is it that rhey were able tomove these nassive stones the distances they did and how would they make ropes long enough for millions of people?

One man per ton for moving a big rock on a sledge andor rollers is more than adequate.
So the huge stuff could be moved by a thousand strong backs in twenty columns of fifty. Each fifty-man rope could be attached to a transverse mast (log) to focus inline pulling power on a main hawser attaching the mast to the object being pulled. Seen that way, the task goes from being "uh, I dunno" to "Ok, cool!". cn