Is Time An Illusion?

[mindphuk]

We count in 10's, this is because we have 10 fingers and toes. NOT because that is the way "Math works"
We use human Earth math, which has been proven over and over to be flawed, and has been corrected. And will again be corrected over and over.

So you know and understand very little science and now you are admitting that you know and understand very little about mathematics. Whether we use base 10, base 8, or base 16 will not change the reality of an equation, just the numbers used for input and output. In fact, your computer right now is using base 2 math, binary, to do the same thing a person can do with decimal math. That's the beauty of variables such as E=mc^2, the numbering system is irrelevant and the equation still works. Proofs in mathematics are actually that, they are proven to be true, there will be no correction, it is not flawed. I think this is where you need to take my earlier advice and STFU. You contribute nothing to this thread except a humorous diversion as your knowledge of science and math is like your belief about black holes...imaginary.
QED

 

[Doer]

Math doesn't need correcting. Proof is proof. But, it's very entertaining and the boy loves to argue. However, I don't think he's is really seeking knowledge. Just argument.

Interesting story in math is about the resolution of 5, equally solvable equations.
Super Gravity, Cosmic String and a few others. A Unification Theory can't have
5 separate solutions. It has to reduce to 1 elegant proof. So, math is not corrected,
it's rigourously simplifed. Most of the ideas used 10 dimensions of timespace. But,
one, so obscure and seemingly off point, about atomic forces or something, used
11 dimensions.

Some bright person realized if you used 11 dimensions across the board, the proof was
quite appearant. That's why, in general, "reality" is said to consist of 11, these days.
Math is a shorthand for describing reality.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Math doesn't need correcting. Proof is proof. But, it's very entertaining and the boy loves to argue. However, I don't think he's is really seeking knowledge. Just argument.

Interesting story in math is about the resolution of 5, equally solvable equations.
Super Gravity, Cosmic String and a few others. A Unification Theory can't have
5 separate solutions. It has to reduce to 1 elegant proof. So, math is not corrected,
it's rigourously simplifed. Most of the ideas used 10 dimensions of timespace. But,
one, so obscure and seemingly off point, about atomic forces or something, used
11 dimensions.

Some bright person realized if you used 11 dimensions across the board, the proof was
quite appearant. That's why, in general, "reality" is said to consist of 11, these days.
Math is a shorthand for describing reality.

...does this in any way refer to something kabbalistic? 11 is unknowable in that system. 10 would be apparent and 'solvable'.

 

[researchkitty]

We dont count by the ten factor because we have ten fingers. We count by it because we can add zeros and its easy to notate. Dont forget, the word "Scientist" wasnt even around until the 1830's or so.

Technically, we count by the Planck mass length scale, 1.616252×10−35 m. That isnt really "to the tens", but when we count that way, that's how the planck mass length looks. If we counted by 11's, it'd just look different but still *mean* the same.

 

[Heisenberg]

Not EVERYTHING in math agrees. In that point you are wrong. Yes there are massive "Black spots" not necessarily "Objects".

Math does make things more likely, but not true.
We count in 10's, this is because we have 10 fingers and toes. NOT because that is the way "Math works"
We use human Earth math, which has been proven over and over to be flawed, and has been corrected. And will again be corrected over and over.

You are right, I do not apply those mens thoeries to all of the universe all of the time, because they had no more perspective than "An Earth being".

We don't know how they behave exactly. We can see some stuff in some places that suggests things.

Because it can not be seen, and even astrophysicists from NASA say that means it can't be "Discovered".

[video=youtube;2n1ymVci8VI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n1ymVci8VI[/video]

Yeah, it's just your condition
To question it all, to be opposition
Done all the math and worked it all out
Everything functions despite all this doubt

The bells go off, we spring into action
Numbers are brilliant right down to the fraction
Come on now, it's all realistic
I'm not dumb, I'm just optimistic

The walls are empty space
And we have earned our place
They said "evolve"
And this is how we will respond

These are the lives we lead
These are our fast machines
These are the tools we use to rob them
But I don't think that we have hit the bottom, baby
Check yourself, maybe you're the fucking problem

 

[Finshaggy]

Lol.

Whatever.

Black holes are imaginary, unproven, undiscovered, and basically "Fan fiction".

Your words about my mental state mean nothing, when you will defend something so flimsy and imaginary.

 

[PetFlora]

In one sense, yes time is an illusion, BUT, in this is a 3rd dimensional reality, it is not. Thankfully, for some of us, we are ascending out of 3D and its' limitations

 

[Doer]

Quite true. Since we ride a 3D projection, we dance on that stage. And eye-ex, I think that is a astute observation. Kaba and numeralogy have 11 as the master number, not
as a base 11 math, but how 3D reality is numberized and reduced to primes +/ to gain
"significance." Not to say that we can get any more significance from Kabala than the Large Hadron Collider. To me pure science and pure spiritual seeking are the same.
(not talking religion here) Wonderful goal to seek what is true. Can it be derived from
3D? Both science and spirit say no, at this point.

Hey baggy, try shouting in CAPS. I mean since you are sputteringly repetitive of your
baseless moaning. NO BLACK HOLES!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaw!!!

Try that.

 

[guy incognito]

Back to black holes? I thought this discussion was ended on page 1. I don't even understand what there is to discuss.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Quite true. Since we ride a 3D projection, we dance on that stage. And eye-ex, I think that is a astute observation. Kaba and numeralogy have 11 as the master number, not
as a base 11 math, but how 3D reality is numberized and reduced to primes +/ to gain
"significance." Not to say that we can get any more significance from Kabala than the Large Hadron Collider. To me pure science and pure spiritual seeking are the same.
(not talking religion here) Wonderful goal to seek what is true. Can it be derived from
3D? Both science and spirit say no, at this point.

Hey baggy, try shouting in CAPS. I mean since you are sputteringly repetitive of your
baseless moaning. NO BLACK HOLES!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaw!!!

Try that.

...thanks Doer. I think pure science and pure spiritual seeking are the same (at cern) with respect to finding the 'muster point'. Not so much military in its meaning, but more like 'assemblage' to / in the core.

 

[Doer]

Yes, the military. A tool of both science and religion. Sort of the third leg of the stool.
I'll submit for review the idea that all 3 (if you'll allow religion as a social organization)
combined, are the basis of civilization.

The muster point is the point of 3D continous creation in the LHC. The militay geneates sorties into the maw of combat from the muster point. I like that.

No Higgs bosun in the 433 GEv and below range. Don't have the math to predicte it anywhere else.

But, the early accident showed us they have a dangerously strong particle beam weapon
that can access space from deep under ground.

Yes, the military. Third leg of the stool.

 

[smokealotmore]

What time is it it 3oclock what time did you get on that100 yard dash it descibes some thng thatis or was or going to be thats what tim is n my opion

 

[eye exaggerate]

Yes, the military. A tool of both science and religion. Sort of the third leg of the stool.
I'll submit for review the idea that all 3 (if you'll allow religion as a social organization)
combined, are the basis of civilization.

The muster point is the point of 3D continous creation in the LHC. The militay geneates sorties into the maw of combat from the muster point. I like that.

No Higgs bosun in the 433 GEv and below range. Don't have the math to predicte it anywhere else.

But, the early accident showed us they have a dangerously strong particle beam weapon
that can access space from deep under ground.

Yes, the military. Third leg of the stool.

...depth psychology's adherents feel quite strongly about that weapon...erm, tool - to a negative end. I'm all for technology, but money makes for madness - and then star wars.

 

[eye exaggerate]

What time is it it 3oclock what time did you get on that100 yard dash it descibes some thng thatis or was or going to be thats what tim is n my opion

..."the clock on the wall says it's 3 0'clock, last call, for alcohol"

100m dash to the bar!

 

[eye exaggerate]

Yes, the military. A tool of both science and religion. Sort of the third leg of the stool.
I'll submit for review the idea that all 3 (if you'll allow religion as a social organization)
combined, are the basis of civilization.

Religion - Red
Military - Green
Science - Blue

...and what would you add to make a quaternity? (= to make it complete) *this goes back to that muster point, so I'd say centrifugal force.

 

[Doer]

...depth psychology's adherents feel quite strongly about that weapon...erm, tool - to a negative end. I'm all for technology, but money makes for madness - and then star wars.

Yes, a tool's a tool. We don't cut the nose to spite the face. Those that think the military is BAD, are in a sort of untopian desire. We wish we don't need protection for
our societies and for our way of life, but we do. So, there is religion in every foxhole
and science in every weapon.

Just check out he Tillman story. Friendly fire coverup in Afganistan, yes. But, also the intolerance of athiests when the bullets are wizzing.

 

[eye exaggerate]

So, there is religion in every foxhole
and science in every weapon.

...I really liked that.

 

[Doer]

Religion - Red
Military - Green
Science - Blue

...and what would you add to make a quaternity? (= to make it complete) *this goes back to that muster point, so I'd say centrifugal force.

Please keep going with this idea. Color is the vibration that is not absorbed, but reflected. Quantum theory is all about vibration in 11 dimensions.

I have expressed that maybe gravity is not one of the fundamental forces, there are only
3, and gravity is an effect of displacement of timespace.

So, question. Why quaternity? Do we need 4 elements to seperate, ie. Cyan color?

Or are you suggesting the force that spins the out the colors is not itself a color?
If you mean centripital force, which is the pull back to center...different in
my musing than centrifgual, which is the force to that takes the tangent when centipital
is released.

Very interesting. Please continue.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Please keep going with this idea. Color is the vibration that is not absorbed, but reflected. Quantum theory is all about vibration in 11 dimensions.

I have expressed that maybe gravity is not one of the fundamental forces, there are only
3, and gravity is an effect of displacement of timespace.

So, question. Why quaternity? Do we need 4 elements to seperate, ie. Cyan color?

Or are you suggesting the force that spins the out the colors is not itself a color?
If you mean centripital force, which is the pull back to center...different in
my musing than centrifgual, which is the force to that takes the tangent when centipital
is released.

Very interesting. Please continue.

...I'll try as best I can. I'm not that great with terms. Just the ideas.

I think the color that spins them out is white (sun) and I'm guessing then that after-image make up the rest outside of the 7. Cyan is an after-color of red, f.e.

Why quaternity? It's an elevated trinity. 1-3-7 (11). (again here we find a force in or surrounding the ordering principle)

 

[Doer]

Dude! I got it. After-images...man, I'll be thinking about that one....thanks.

1-3-7-11, yes, makes sense.

So, in this analogy, White, the combination of the colors (not itself
a color) is the propellent for continous creation. Very Cool. I can use this concept, for sure.