20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

[sharpshoota]

Collective G:

I stumbled upon your thread and have been reading it 4 the last few days.

Great job on supplying patients with free meds, thats great to hear. my mom beat cancer a few years back after a 4 year on off battle, and seeing what she went through everyday and overtime with chemo... is painful to watch... Wish TX wasnt such a BS state when it comes to mmj, they just dont tolerate it here... Have lost alot of time and money growing due to this fact but the experience is invaluable.

Thanks a ton for taking the time to share your insight and wisdom. Truly inspirational and a huge motivation to me to get bak up and keep growing... Mad props to ya.. Keep staying a foot ahead of these brainwashed cops

 

[DJKSTICK]

Thank you Fnominon I appreciate the input. Anyone else ever use it. And I just got my first EC meter yesterday and I must say I am learning alot from it. I didn't realise how important one of these things were. Hopefully it will let me hone my soon to come skills....lol. CG have you ever used a aero cloner...(ezcloner)?

 

[Fnominon]

Thank you Fnominon I appreciate the input. Anyone else ever use it. And I just got my first EC meter yesterday and I must say I am learning alot from it. I didn't realise how important one of these things were. Hopefully it will let me hone my soon to come skills....lol. CG have you ever used a aero cloner...(ezcloner)?

No problem, make sure you get some calibration solution for your meter. I can't help but wonder if some of the people using really high PPM are actually reading a hundred or two ppm high. I know my truncheon after a few years of service now reads high and so I have to mentally adjust for that.

 

[Afka]

Oh my god I made it to page 205.

Good thread, took a couple days. Hi regulars, I feel like I know you guys.

So many times where I wanted to chime in, but just had to see how it developped because it had already come and gone

Peace

 

[collective gardener]

Hey gang. Sorry for the time off. The perpetual harvest has become just that. I feel like we've been trimming for months straight. Another pound or so and there will be nothing more to trim for a month.

I have tried aero cloners. They work great. If I was in the clone biz I would use them. But, my little 5 dollar trays with a dome work just fine. I prefer to root in rockwool so that I'm all set to plug into a 4" block once rooted.

On the nure front, the Grotek is doing better than Cutting Edge, but worse than AN. This crop is all Connoiseur+Big Bud+B-52+Botanicare Sweet Raw. There is no doubt the Connoiseur is worth the xtra $$$. The 4 week plants are shaping up to be the best ever. The node spacing is very tight. The Grotek provided a great bud set with tight spacing. But, the AN buds are twice as big at 4 weeks. I'll get some Flora Nova in a few days for a test run. Commercial J has switched both his ops to Flora Nova and is quite pleased. He's also just growing the D-Bub which yields way more than the other 2 Bub phenos we all grow.

Hollyweed has placed our Pre-98 on the top of its menu. They absolutely LOVE the stuff. This is great to hear from such a reputable dispensary. After getting a sample of our Tahoe x 91 Chemdawg, they're screaming for that, as well. It just goes to show that as long as you have primo genetics, there's still no problem getting rid of excess.

 

[socalkushgenetics]

the feds 5 year sentence has leeway. Props to collective for FIRST consulting with an attorney, something alot of uneducated people dont do and get jammed up

 

[collective gardener]

the feds 5 year sentence has leeway. Props to collective for FIRST consulting with an attorney, something alot of uneducated people dont do and get jammed up

My understanding is that IF the feds take the case, and IF there is more than 100 plants, and IF there is a conviction, the judge has no choice. They call it a 5 year "mandatory minimum" for a reason.

We've got down to well under 100 plants, anyways. Basically, we grow a couple plants per active patient/member.

 

[C.Indica]

So I'm to the point where I'm gonna go buy some new nutes.
I grow in soil, not hydro.
I'm thinking of getting Flora Nova Bloom, and eventually a new bottle of Grow.

In your opinion, how does FloraNova respond to soil grows?

 

[Fnominon]

So I'm to the point where I'm gonna go buy some new nutes.
I grow in soil, not hydro.
I'm thinking of getting Flora Nova Bloom, and eventually a new bottle of Grow.

In your opinion, how does FloraNova respond to soil grows?

In my opinion if your growing with soil take advantage of the organics. In soil you can compensate for loss in production by improvements in quality and flavor which are hard to replicate in hydro medium. I have grown both ways for years and honestly have a hard time picking one method to stick with, I am currently transitioning everything from soil to coir to see if I can get the best of both worlds from that.

 

[collective gardener]

So I'm to the point where I'm gonna go buy some new nutes.
I grow in soil, not hydro.
I'm thinking of getting Flora Nova Bloom, and eventually a new bottle of Grow.

In your opinion, how does FloraNova respond to soil grows?

I wouldn't do it. I'm a fan of either growing hydro/soiless or growing live soil organic...but not both at same time. I would stick to the organic nutes.

Here's a tip for you organic growers: When I used to grow organic I would grow a couple of soiless "pace plants" as well. Just a couple plants in Sunshine #4 and fed with GH nutes. If my soiless Pace Plants were outgrowing the organic plants, I knew I needed to make a change to the organic plants. If the organic were keeping up with the soiless plants, I knew I was doing it right and wouldn't change anything.

I think soiless is the way to go with Flora Nova or any high end nute system. With real soil there's too much stuff in there you can't control. The soil could have a ton of K in it. When you add even more K with the Flora Nova it locks out the magnesium. I've had that problem time and time again.

 

[C.Indica]

I like the idea of Live Soil Organic, and in the next few years I want to go full on Vegan gardening.
But currently I don't have the means/will to produce my own organic composts/teas.

I wouldn't mind buying organic nutes, but I don't know where to start, andI haven't looked at pricetags for organic nutes.
If they're outrageously more expensive that they need to be, I'll be skeptical at least..


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[Wolverine97]

I like the idea of Live Soil Organic, and in the next few years I want to go full on Vegan gardening.
But currently I don't have the means/will to produce my own organic composts/teas.

I wouldn't mind buying organic nutes, but I don't know where to start, andI haven't looked at pricetags for organic nutes.
If they're outrageously more expensive that they need to be, I'll be skeptical at least..


(THIS NEW TEXTBOX FUCKING SUCKS ROLLITUP!)

You can grow much cheaper and easier with organics, once you get things down. The key is mixing a custom soil that contains most of the nutrition that the plant and microbes need to stay happy. Do that and you're golden. If you have things dialed in, and only use bottled products to supplement your soil, you really don't lose any yield vs. hydro. I routinely out-yield my hydro buddies and I'm strictly a dirt guy.

 

[psycophreak]

Fully agree, I have been soil only for years and have had nothing but success...

 

[Fnominon]

You can grow much cheaper and easier with organics, once you get things down. The key is mixing a custom soil that contains most of the nutrition that the plant and microbes need to stay happy. Do that and you're golden. If you have things dialed in, and only use bottled products to supplement your soil, you really don't lose any yield vs. hydro. I routinely out-yield my hydro buddies and I'm strictly a dirt guy.

I totally agree with Wolverine97, start simple with a high quality soil mix like Roots Organics 707 mix which is my favorite. Then mix in 10-25% worm castings and add perlite until you get that the soil loose again. That mix will be so charged with nutrients you could just grow with that alone, however, I would recommend a simple grow formula for veg and a organic flowering program. Keep it simple at first and you will yield much more and higher quality than if you try to get fancy and burn your plants or nuke them with a booster.
The reason why I believe that most soil guys out perform hydro typically is due to the difficulty to run a hydro set up all the way through flower with out screwing up one of the many factors you gotta keep tabs on. If you know how to control those variable however, I believe you can get quite a bit higher yield from hydro, but probably not as high of quality.

 

[Wolverine97]

I totally agree with Wolverine97, start simple with a high quality soil mix like Roots Organics 707 mix which is my favorite. Then mix in 10-25% worm castings and add perlite until you get that the soil loose again. That mix will be so charged with nutrients you could just grow with that alone, however, I would recommend a simple grow formula for veg and a organic flowering program. Keep it simple at first and you will yield much more and higher quality than if you try to get fancy and burn your plants or nuke them with a booster.
The reason why I believe that most soil guys out perform hydro typically is due to the difficulty to run a hydro set up all the way through flower with out screwing up one of the many factors you gotta keep tabs on. If you know how to control those variable however, I believe you can get quite a bit higher yield from hydro, but probably not as high of quality.

IDK man. I average around 1.25 gpw in soil, I don't know any hydro guys who can beat that...

 

[collective gardener]

IDK man. I average around 1.25 gpw in soil, I don't know any hydro guys who can beat that...

Wow...what a broad statement, dude! I have found that strain and canopy shape have much more to do with yield than what they're growing in. I would bet that placing one of your plants in a rockwool block and feeding quality chem nutes would give you a similar yield. I would also say that if I slipped an aero system under your lights and let you grow everything else the same, your yield would go up and timeline come down. This is not to say I'm an aero fan. It's a pain in the ass. BUT, when fine tuned, absolutely nothing can come close. All other things being equal, the aeroponic garden out grows just about anything. I would hasten to say similar yields could be had growing your strain in rockwool or a good ebb n flow garden.

All that shit being said, your soil skills are much harder to come by than similar hydro skills. In time, live soil organic grows will have a huge market advantage over hydro gardens. For now, no such advantage exists. Well, at least not enough for me to justify the mess. I do know that in time we will have to grow organic to stay in the game. Currently we're playing with the AN organic nutes...adding more of them to the res and removing some of the chem nutes. We're trying to see if there's a liquid organic formula that matches the chem performance. I really don't want to go back to dirt. If I was to, I would go with Wolverine and try to get most of the nutes in with the base soil mix. Top dressings work quite well, too.

 

[Wolverine97]

Wow...what a broad statement, dude! I have found that strain and canopy shape have much more to do with yield than what they're growing in. I would bet that placing one of your plants in a rockwool block and feeding quality chem nutes would give you a similar yield. I would also say that if I slipped an aero system under your lights and let you grow everything else the same, your yield would go up and timeline come down. This is not to say I'm an aero fan. It's a pain in the ass. BUT, when fine tuned, absolutely nothing can come close. All other things being equal, the aeroponic garden out grows just about anything. I would hasten to say similar yields could be had growing your strain in rockwool or a good ebb n flow garden.

All that shit being said, your soil skills are much harder to come by than similar hydro skills. In time, live soil organic grows will have a huge market advantage over hydro gardens. For now, no such advantage exists. Well, at least not enough for me to justify the mess. I do know that in time we will have to grow organic to stay in the game. Currently we're playing with the AN organic nutes...adding more of them to the res and removing some of the chem nutes. We're trying to see if there's a liquid organic formula that matches the chem performance. I really don't want to go back to dirt. If I was to, I would go with Wolverine and try to get most of the nutes in with the base soil mix. Top dressings work quite well, too.

And just think, I carefully considered that comment prior to pressing the button... I have several friends who run aero, none of them touch my yield per watt of light input. Now, that could be because I'm packing more into the same area, but still...

 

[Bird Gymnastics]

Wow...what a broad statement, dude! I have found that strain and canopy shape have much more to do with yield than what they're growing in. I would bet that placing one of your plants in a rockwool block and feeding quality chem nutes would give you a similar yield. I would also say that if I slipped an aero system under your lights and let you grow everything else the same, your yield would go up and timeline come down. This is not to say I'm an aero fan. It's a pain in the ass. BUT, when fine tuned, absolutely nothing can come close. All other things being equal, the aeroponic garden out grows just about anything. I would hasten to say similar yields could be had growing your strain in rockwool or a good ebb n flow garden.

All that shit being said, your soil skills are much harder to come by than similar hydro skills. In time, live soil organic grows will have a huge market advantage over hydro gardens. For now, no such advantage exists. Well, at least not enough for me to justify the mess. I do know that in time we will have to grow organic to stay in the game. Currently we're playing with the AN organic nutes...adding more of them to the res and removing some of the chem nutes. We're trying to see if there's a liquid organic formula that matches the chem performance. I really don't want to go back to dirt. If I was to, I would go with Wolverine and try to get most of the nutes in with the base soil mix. Top dressings work quite well, too.

The only organic AN nutes I've used have been Iguana Juice and Nirvana. Id have to say that the stuff is pretty impressive. Real tight internodes and great overall growth. Depending on the strain I have been averaging about 6-8 only using those nutes with some added molasses. The only things I mix into my Roots organic soil is worm castings, dolomite lime and some added perlite. Pretty easy if you ask me. On a grow your scale I can imagine trying to do stuff easier but I gotta say the organic taste is pretty obsolete when comparing to other ways of growing. IMO

 

[Fnominon]

IDK man. I average around 1.25 gpw in soil, I don't know any hydro guys who can beat that...

That is incredible yield, I would be interested in knowing the details if your willing to share? What Genetics are you getting that with? What factors do you attribute that large of a yield too?

 

[Wolverine97]

That is incredible yield, I would be interested in knowing the details if your willing to share? What Genetics are you getting that with? What factors do you attribute that large of a yield too?

This really isn't the thread for that, but I don't mind sharing. Give me a reminder over the weekend and I'll post something up. I don't want to keep derailing CG's thread.